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Post by Hush Riddler on Mar 10, 2005 19:13:12 GMT -5
[glow=green,2,300]Nevermind... I just remembered Firefly was in a few of the Batman comics and a small handful of various Batman T.V. shows.[/glow] ;D
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 10, 2005 19:17:35 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]That's awesome, DG!! I haden't realized that before... I knew most of that stuff about Scarecrow (who I hardly know anything about...) but I didn't know he could cast illusions. The villains I do know alot about are Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Two Face, Harley Quinn, Bane, Mr. Freeze and Catwoman. I no nothing to very little about Poison Ivy (sorry DG...), Scarecrow, Clayface, and all the new ones. However, as far as my limited knowledge goes, I think that FireFly, Cluemaster and Spellbinder are new to the series. (someone let me know if I'm wrong) I have heard of all the others though, but don't know much about them. I knew that Scarface and Ventriloquist had been in the Batman Animated Series.[/shadow] cluemaster was in the comics, he was spoilers dad, but he wasn't in the comics much; there are 2 spellbinders (don't know much about them myself)the first one was a man and i think he died and then there was a girl, but she wasn't anything like the first one.
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 10, 2005 21:20:30 GMT -5
yeah the 1st spellbinder was a guy called delbert billings who is now deceased and he used optical devices to to the hypnotizing he also refused nerons offer for expanded powers in exchange for his soul. Spellbinder 2? Spellbinder 3- was fay mofit-girlfriend of spellbinder1 and she eagerly excepted nerons offer sealing the deal by shooting spellbinder.she had the neron granted powers of altering ones perception of things and nearly killed nightwing!!!!her powers could be blocked by covering her eyes so there is some spellbinder info for ya!!
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 10, 2005 21:27:38 GMT -5
whoa!!3 spellbinders? i thought there were only 2, but ok whatever!
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 10, 2005 21:41:18 GMT -5
yeah I know there is 3 but havent a clue about the second one
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 11, 2005 15:59:18 GMT -5
yeah I know there is 3 but havent a clue about the second one cool, learn something new everyday, i only thought there were 2
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Post by TAS on Mar 11, 2005 21:00:18 GMT -5
When it comes super heroes and villians in comics, there's always been multiple versions of characters, or a costume/persona is adopted by various people.
For instance theres been 3 diffrient Batmans, like 5 or 6 Supergirls, 3 Robins, etc, etc, not counting any Elseworld's stuff.
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 11, 2005 21:12:46 GMT -5
i know, there are 4 robins, 4 batgirls, 2 huntresses, etc. but i didnt know there were 3 spellbinders
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Post by DarknessFalls on Mar 12, 2005 12:49:08 GMT -5
As usual, the new pictures look hot! [glow=green,2,300]This is so cool... I love it all, but it has its "kinks", if you will. I agree with Gambit, Spellbinder doesn't fit with the Batman series... these villains are pretty cool, but I think that Killer Croc is a random take-off on the Spider-Man's Lizard Man villain. [/glow] Killer Croc is no Lizard Man. That damn Spider-man is the one who is copying Killer Croc. Lizzard Man.... .....Pssst.....LAME. Killer Croc is cooler and a lot better than no Lizzard. Plus, he sounds cooler than Lizzard Man. Lizzard Man Sucks!!!!! He should be banned from comic books. As for the pictures, I don't care about Hugo Strange. Ragdoll looks amazing referencing ScareCrow. Nice to see new villians. Killer Croc looks very intimidating, for those of you who don't like it. Too bad for you. The shirt makes him look human rather than a beast. So Solomon Grundy is the villian who got take off from JLU? Cool, I didn't see that coming. He looks cool as he is messed up, rather than a very clean Grundy from JLU.
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Mar 12, 2005 17:48:59 GMT -5
First off, Darkness Falls, it's THE Lizard, not 'Lizard Man,' and I believe he was around long before Killer Croc. Second, he's much more comparable to Man-Bat as a scientist-turned-monster type character.
Second, Ultimate Riddler, I think you've given me my cue to give you a bit of an introduction to Poison Ivy...
Ivy first appeared as a secuctress by the name of Penelope Ivy in Detective Comics (wearing just about the same costume as present, but with short, brown hair and a crown of leaves) whose 'thing' was hypnotizing Batman. This incarnation lasted for a while, largely because Batman needed another female villain. Her schemes usually involved hypnotizing men and taking their money. As time went on, her hair grew longer, occaisionally changing to red, and the crown of leaves disappeared. It was revealed that she had an immunity to poisons, which she soon after began using in her crimes. Somewhere in here, her kiss became toxic and her real name became Pamela Lillian Isley. A couple of neat story lines included her stealing investment portfolios of wealthy businessmen and her losing her immunity powers, leaving Batman to save her. During the big graphic novel craze, she began her first world domination scheme (which involved poisoning baby formula to spread a plague across the world which only she and others with her gift were immune). However, when she poisoned Black Canary, Batman and Green Arrow soon went after her, ultimately leading to her death.
Poison Ivy owes most of her popularity to Dini and Timm, who recreated her as a red-headed former botanist whose passion from the environment lead her to commit crimes against the wealthy. With Diane Pershing's voice, a simplified version of her comic book outfit and a new penchant for growing genetically engineered plants, this incarnation was tremendously successful, and appeared several times throughout the series. Ivy was later teamed with Harley Quinn, making one of DC's most famous pairings. Perhaps the best Ivy episode is 'House and Garden,' in which Ivy takes her powers to the next level, creating plant-monsters to attack wealthy young men.
When the New Batman Adventures showed up, Pershing's Ivy got a radical redesign: very pale skin and a black outfit. She was teamed with Harley more than ever, and somewhere in the transition, her powers changed. No longer relying on toxic lipsticks, the 'new' Ivy could secrete acid from her pores, control most plants, and could turn any sapling into a monstrous creature with a drop of her blood. Later, her skin switched from white to pale green, and her hair even became leafy. Her final appearance was in Batman Adventures #17, which left the green Ivy (who was actually a clone) dead while revealing that the real Pamela Isley was living happily in the Florida Everglades.
Back to the comic-book Ivy: between Crisis on the Infinite Earths and Zero Hour, her origin was revised (and her death was conveniently ignored). This new Ivy was once a botany student in Seattle, but Dr. Jason Woodrue, aka Floronic Man, seduced her into participating in a lab experiment which replaced her blood with poisons. Producing pheromones that could influence men, Isley found that her touch was toxic, her kiss lethal, and developed the ability to control plant life. Using her knowledge of botany, she began a life of crime.
This Ivy is perhaps the most inconsistantly written Batman enemy in the rogues gallery. Some interpretations cast her as an innocent young woman, driven insane by her ability to touch anyone she loves. Jim Lee writes her as a silent, murderous witch who delights in torturing men. However, most commonly, she's usually trying to get revenge on a businessman who has destroyed a rain forest, or some other act of 'eco-terrorism.'
In the No-Man's Land storyline, Ivy was trapped by Clayface (who she later killed) underground. When she was freed, she surprisingly agreed to help Batman by taking in children orphaned by the Earthquake. Taking on the new role of the protector or Robinson Park, Ivy became a hero to the children, but an enemy of the police force. She's currently featured in a Gotham Knights story arc with Hush.
If you're interested in some great Poison Ivy stories, I'd recommend (surprise) Batman: Poison Ivy. This story finds Ivy happily living on a tropical island- until it is used to test chemical weapons by a Gotham company. Naturally, she goes on attacking the responsible parties, while taking some time to examine her relationship with Batman. Pick it up!
*phew* Hope that helped, Ultimate Riddler. Can't wait to see her new character design! And if you want some brief histories of any other soon-to-be featured villains, just ask!
...and apologies for getting so off topic : )
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 12, 2005 18:28:04 GMT -5
First off, Darkness Falls, it's THE Lizard, not 'Lizard Man,' and I believe he was around long before Killer Croc. Second, he's much more comparable to Man-Bat as a scientist-turned-monster type character.
Second, Ultimate Riddler, I think you've given me my cue to give you a bit of an introduction to Poison Ivy...
Ivy first appeared as a secuctress by the name of Penelope Ivy in Detective Comics (wearing just about the same costume as present, but with short, brown hair and a crown of leaves) whose 'thing' was hypnotizing Batman. This incarnation lasted for a while, largely because Batman needed another female villain. Her schemes usually involved hypnotizing men and taking their money. As time went on, her hair grew longer, occaisionally changing to red, and the crown of leaves disappeared. It was revealed that she had an immunity to poisons, which she soon after began using in her crimes. Somewhere in here, her kiss became toxic and her real name became Pamela Lillian Isley. A couple of neat story lines included her stealing investment portfolios of wealthy businessmen and her losing her immunity powers, leaving Batman to save her. During the big graphic novel craze, she began her first world domination scheme (which involved poisoning baby formula to spread a plague across the world which only she and others with her gift were immune). However, when she poisoned Black Canary, Batman and Green Arrow soon went after her, ultimately leading to her death.
Poison Ivy owes most of her popularity to Dini and Timm, who recreated her as a red-headed former botanist whose passion from the environment lead her to commit crimes against the wealthy. With Diane Pershing's voice, a simplified version of her comic book outfit and a new penchant for growing genetically engineered plants, this incarnation was tremendously successful, and appeared several times throughout the series. Ivy was later teamed with Harley Quinn, making one of DC's most famous pairings. Perhaps the best Ivy episode is 'House and Garden,' in which Ivy takes her powers to the next level, creating plant-monsters to attack wealthy young men.
When the New Batman Adventures showed up, Pershing's Ivy got a radical redesign: very pale skin and a black outfit. She was teamed with Harley more than ever, and somewhere in the transition, her powers changed. No longer relying on toxic lipsticks, the 'new' Ivy could secrete acid from her pores, control most plants, and could turn any sapling into a monstrous creature with a drop of her blood. Later, her skin switched from white to pale green, and her hair even became leafy. Her final appearance was in Batman Adventures #17, which left the green Ivy (who was actually a clone) dead while revealing that the real Pamela Isley was living happily in the Florida Everglades.
Back to the comic-book Ivy: between Crisis on the Infinite Earths and Zero Hour, her origin was revised (and her death was conveniently ignored). This new Ivy was once a botany student in Seattle, but Dr. Jason Woodrue, aka Floronic Man, seduced her into participating in a lab experiment which replaced her blood with poisons. Producing pheromones that could influence men, Isley found that her touch was toxic, her kiss lethal, and developed the ability to control plant life. Using her knowledge of botany, she began a life of crime.
This Ivy is perhaps the most inconsistantly written Batman enemy in the rogues gallery. Some interpretations cast her as an innocent young woman, driven insane by her ability to touch anyone she loves. Jim Lee writes her as a silent, murderous witch who delights in torturing men. However, most commonly, she's usually trying to get revenge on a businessman who has destroyed a rain forest, or some other act of 'eco-terrorism.'
In the No-Man's Land storyline, Ivy was trapped by Clayface (who she later killed) underground. When she was freed, she surprisingly agreed to help Batman by taking in children orphaned by the Earthquake. Taking on the new role of the protector or Robinson Park, Ivy became a hero to the children, but an enemy of the police force. She's currently featured in a Gotham Knights story arc with Hush.
If you're interested in some great Poison Ivy stories, I'd recommend (surprise) Batman: Poison Ivy. This story finds Ivy happily living on a tropical island- until it is used to test chemical weapons by a Gotham company. Naturally, she goes on attacking the responsible parties, while taking some time to examine her relationship with Batman. Pick it up!
*phew* Hope that helped, Ultimate Riddler. Can't wait to see her new character design! And if you want some brief histories of any other soon-to-be featured villains, just ask!
...and apologies for getting so off topic : ) that was a great summary of poison ivy, and do you mean pamela in the first paragraph?
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Post by DarknessFalls on Mar 12, 2005 23:03:04 GMT -5
First off, Darkness Falls, it's THE Lizard, not 'Lizard Man,' and I believe he was around long before Killer Croc. That's interesting,but i personally still do not like Lizzard!Just my opinion. THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED BY FAITHFULBUTLER.DIFFERING OPINIONS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME HERE,HOWEVER LET'S KEEP IT CLEAN AND FRIENDLY!WE ARE ALL FANS HERE AND ALTHOUGH OUR OPINIONS VARY,LET'S ALL STILL PLEASE SHOW SOME RESPECT TO EACH OTHER AND THE LANGUAGE UNDER CONTROL!THANK YOU
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Mar 13, 2005 15:27:17 GMT -5
Re: Penelope Ivy As I recall, this was actually her name. (shudder)
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 14, 2005 9:12:11 GMT -5
Re: Penelope Ivy As I recall, this was actually her name. (shudder) really, im glad it was changed to pamela cuz penelope is the ugliest name (no offence to anyone)
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Post by TAS on Mar 14, 2005 19:37:49 GMT -5
Been playing too much Soul Calibur have we?
Wait Spider-Man is copying Killer Croc?
If you're saying Lizard is copying Killer Croc, then that be wrong on two counts, one Lizard appeared quite sometime before Killer Croc, and second neither of them share much in common other then being reptilian.
Wait what are you talking about? Killer Croc is cooler and better than no Lizard? Are you contradicting yourself?
And looking at the overall design, character development, evolution, adaptions, etc, etc, of both chars Id have to say Lizard is the better of the two.
Killer Croc in all the versions of seen of him basicly look the same, a very bland design overall, and he's just an idiot that uses brute force. I never saw him as much of a threat to Batman either, at least no anywhere near as much of threat as Lizard is to Spider-Man
And lets not forget something else Jeff Matsuda (this shows character designer) did some concepts for the last Spider-Man cartoon, and I didnt relize it till Ultimate Riddler pointed it out but Jeff's Killer Croc looks similar to the last animated Lizard, the body anyways.
Killer Croc sounds cooler? From what I've heard of Croc audio wise he's never been "fantastic" and Lizard in the cartoons has been just a bunch of sounds and hissess, so I couldnt actually say either one of them actually "sounds" cooler then the other.
I think you should be banned from comic books.
You're obviously pro-Batman and anti-everything Spidey (and probaly alot more) Nor do you put any thought into your "aurguements" or "disscussion" its just all insults or whatever.
Is all of this just opinion? NO!
I've actually backed up my points with facts, ie comparing the two, Lizard is more developed and dangerous, etc, and I dont have to like either of them to see that, infact I could hate both of them and still see all that. Its blatantly obvious.
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Post by Eric on Mar 14, 2005 21:37:38 GMT -5
actually Ivy's first appearance is in Batman #181, 1966.
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Post by azrael24 on Mar 14, 2005 22:05:41 GMT -5
i agree w/darkness falls. i don't like the lizard, but i think that the lizzards story is so much better than killer croc. but the NAME doesn't sound as cool killer croc. ps.poison ivy rocks!
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Mar 14, 2005 22:20:10 GMT -5
Agreed, TAS. I'm not a GIGANTIC Lizard fan (not that I'm too fond of Killer Croc either). But the two are barely comparable (Lizard is more of a Man-Bat while Croc is more like Spider-Man's Rhino).
Spidey has a Rogues Gallery that's just as extensive as Batman's (if not more), and the only reason his isn't QUITE as popular is because of the utter lack of cool female villains (don't get me started on Shriek, Scream, Powerhouse or Scorpia). It's not fair to diss the characters just because they don't belong in Batman's title.
And niteshade, all I can say is "D'oh!"
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 14, 2005 22:28:43 GMT -5
Agreed, TAS. I'm not a GIGANTIC Lizard fan (not that I'm too fond of Killer Croc either). But the two are barely comparable (Lizard is more of a Man-Bat while Croc is more like Spider-Man's Rhino).
Spidey has a Rogues Gallery that's just as extensive as Batman's (if not more), and the only reason his isn't QUITE as popular is because of the utter lack of cool female villains (don't get me started on Shriek, Scream, Powerhouse or Scorpia). It's not fair to diss the characters just because they don't belong in Batman's title.
And niteshade, all I can say is "D'oh!" well said DG I completely agree about Croc vs Lizard
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Post by TAS on Mar 15, 2005 7:58:51 GMT -5
Very true, the scientest gone "Mr.Hyde" from his own experiment with some kinda animal, and the brute force based on an animal.
I just relized what a cliche animal chars are, ie look at all the hereos and villians that stem from animals.
Yeah, Id say Spidey's most popular rogues (and/or over all rogues) gallery is more extensive then Batman's most popular (or over all) rogues gallery, which I imagine is beacuse he has more super charged characters, ie most of Batman's rogues are very human and dont have any super natrual powers (unlike Spidey's rogues) and you can only do so much with human characters (in terms of design, story, origin, etc)
Bane was the last major villian up until a little while ago that had an staying power, however he's still only second tier to chars like Joker, Catwoman, Penguin, etc.
Now the last (brand new) major villian Batman had that will probaly be remembered for awhile now was Hush, however even with everything he caused, he's only second or third tier to major villians.
No, it dosnt have anything to do with that, its the fact that Batman is more media friendly then every other superhero.
For instance Batman has had movies, tv shows, animated series, animated movie, action figures, video games, etc, etc. Now while other chars like Superman and Spider-Man have the same things, its nowhere near the same level or to the same excess.
He dosnt have good female villians, but the cast a female chars he's friends with are quite popular or well known, ie Mary Jane, Aunt May, Black Cat, etc.
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Post by Skips on Mar 16, 2005 0:05:05 GMT -5
I love this series more and more!
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Mar 22, 2005 14:14:57 GMT -5
IMO these look worlds better than any of the villains we've seen previously, with the possible exception of Manbat.
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