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Post by /\/\att on Feb 5, 2005 9:52:32 GMT -5
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 5, 2005 11:09:53 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]"sorry batman, but the joker always laughs last"
Great quote!
All in all I loved this episode....nice to see more of the Joker...KMR (Kevin Michael Richardson) really has the Joker down! I love all the gags and puns....and the gun turning people into playing cards was great...its just like the joker to be so insane as to craft such a worthless weapon lol. Its good for laughs, though!
..and the banter between bats and joker in Arkham...about their need for each other...such a recurring theme in the batman mythos...its good to see that coming out in this toon....they didn't explore that as much in btas.
all in all I give it a 9 out of 10
Adam Beechen did a nice job writing this ep. [/shadow]
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Post by Peev34 on Feb 5, 2005 11:15:01 GMT -5
A HUGE improvement over the first Joker ep (not that I had any problems with that one)! KMR does indeed have the essence of this character down with some terrific voicework!
This ep went a long way in setting the ever familiar stage for the Bats/Joker rivalry that we all know and love, but this time in Matsuda's vision, which is a great thing!
An excellent ep, I can't wait to see more of the Joker!
9 1/2 out of 10!
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Post by J-Man on Feb 5, 2005 11:24:05 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]This was a very cool episode. I loved seeing the Joker again, and I am pleased to see that some of the oddities in the first Joker episode have almost disappeared.
I was very happy with the Joker's voice work and the way he was portrayed. The card gun was a great gag, too. I give it a 9.5/ 10. [/shadow]
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Post by ROBOTRON on Feb 5, 2005 11:38:20 GMT -5
I know I can't expect the new Joker incarnation to be exactly like the one from the Mark Hamil days...but this one still leaves me somewhat...uh....cold. However I enjoyed the episode anyway, but I rate it a 6.5 out of 10. This Joker seems to be more randomly "stupid" than insane criminal genius....and if they ever see fit to pair him off with Harley in the future, I can't see how they would ever work the 2 personalities together...too odd. - meh. Better than average episode.
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 5, 2005 12:04:58 GMT -5
I know I can't expect the new Joker incarnation to be exactly like the one from the Mark Hamil days...but this one still leaves me somewhat...uh....cold. However I enjoyed the episode anyway, but I rate it a 6.5 out of 10. This Joker seems to be more randomly "stupid" than insane criminal genious....and if they ever see fit to pair him off with Harley in the future, I can't see how they would ever work the 2 personalities together...too odd. [shadow=green,left,300]They're not going to pair him off with Harley, because she's a btas creation. Not gonna happen. I think the term 'insane genius' is up for interpretation....I think it would take a brilliant mind to create something like that playing card weapon...the problem is that he's so insane, its wasted on foolish inventions like that that ultimately will do him no good.[/shadow]
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Post by TheQuestion on Feb 5, 2005 12:17:09 GMT -5
I like The Joker's new face, but hate whatever they did to his hair.
I tape this episode, and am not done watching it...
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Post by Batdan on Feb 5, 2005 12:48:22 GMT -5
Wasn't particularly impressed with this episode. It had its moments but on the whole I thought it was pretty flat.
A beef: That's two Joker eps, with two highly derivative themes.
1. In the first ep, we had Joker gas in a hot air balloon a la the first Burton film.
2. In the second ep, the Joker takes revenge on those who wronged him by making them a captive audience to his twisted plot. We've seen that countless times, including "Christmas with the Joker" in TAS.
The Joker deserves better.
Did like the way they introduced the suit tho.
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Post by re on Feb 5, 2005 13:11:15 GMT -5
I enjoyed the episode, I mean it wasn't the best, but it was better then the first Joker episode, and I believe as the show goes on, the Joker will continue to grow into a better villain. All in all, I gave this episode, a 7/10.
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Post by HUSH on Feb 5, 2005 13:12:36 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I completely forgot! Is it on again soon?
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 5, 2005 13:14:17 GMT -5
Wasn't particularly impressed with this episode. It had its moments but on the whole I thought it was pretty flat. A beef: That's two Joker eps, with two highly derivative themes. 1. In the first ep, we had Joker gas in a hot air balloon a la the first Burton film. 2. In the second ep, the Joker takes revenge on those who wronged him by making them a captive audience to his twisted plot. We've seen that countless times, including "Christmas with the Joker" in TAS. The Joker deserves better. Did like the way they introduced the suit tho. [shadow=green,left,300]This is an entirely new universe...so you're bound to see some recurring themes with the characters...they're doing these things for the first time. This happens all the time in comics...there are characterisitics that carry through regardless of what universe they're in....the Joker has a certain style to him..and he's bound to do things that you've seen before....we've seen him in a suit before and I don't hear anyone complaining about seeing that again. [/shadow]
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Post by Tyson1990 on Feb 5, 2005 13:18:36 GMT -5
I loved the episode. It has probably got to be my favorite ep so far.I liked that Joker got his purple tux. That was awesome. I can't wait until next week. Hopefully it will be just as good.
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Post by Dan on Feb 5, 2005 14:28:40 GMT -5
I am starting to think the joker in this cartoon is a totaly harmless idiodic freak.Not the mass murdering clown that we all know and love. Still I like how they TRIED to introduce the classic suit, but for some reason it just seems like it does not work as well with this one as it does with the old one. It seems to me ethier you love the new joker or you hate him,me I am inbetween. Now that ive got that off my chest i would like to say that it was a pretty good ep,I enjoyed all of his wepons(particularly his po-go stick of DOOM). and the go cart was cool too. story was NICE........7.5 out of 10 p.s. I love when batman imitated him.
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 5, 2005 14:53:14 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]You know I've mentioned this before...that most of this show reflects a tougher version of the pre-crisis era bat-verse...but it occurs to me that some of you must not really be familiar with the pre-crisis characterizations. I wonder if we have someone here that would be willing to write up some info for those younger fans.....
.........the Joker, for 45 solid years, was a trixter more than a homicidal maniac...oh sure he was evil...sure he was dangerous...but what you're all used to is a post-crisis era Joker...the one that beat jason todd to death with a crow bar...the one that was in btas...these are more recent...Joker has a long and rich history...and this toon definately focuses on large aspect of that![/shadow]
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Post by ROBOTRON on Feb 5, 2005 15:11:59 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]This is an entirely new universe...so you're bound to see some recurring themes with the characters...they're doing these things for the first time. This happens all the time in comics...there are characterisitics that carry through regardless of what universe they're in....the Joker has a certain style to him..and he's bound to do things that you've seen before....we've seen him in a suit before and I don't hear anyone complaining about seeing that again. [/shadow] I didn't say I hated this episode, my beef is more with the Joker, and BatDan had some valid points. I mean c'mon...for example "Victor Fries (Typo) common bank/jewelry store robber? Gimmie a break. Its obvious Matt...you really like everything about "The Batman", I don't blame you...I'm grateful the cartoon is being made and have enjoyed about 75% of what I've seen so far...but I guess I was just so used to the sheer quality of the "BTAS" and "The New Adventures of", BBeyond, etc....I guess I was just spoiled by the whole thing, and didn't want it to end. Call it "old fogey-ism". But end it did. I really like "The Batman" and I will continue to catch every episode and collect the figures...but don't hate me (figure of speech) because I have a few beefs here and there.
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Post by ICECREAMAN on Feb 5, 2005 15:26:58 GMT -5
I liked the episode. The Joker is my favorite villian and it is good to see him again. I like his new suit. He just needs shoes. Sorry, he looks too much like an ape-man without them. 8.5/10!!!! The Joker never plays with a full deck!
Can't wait to see Catwoman again. I was watching BTAS volume I and it got me thinking, when will they introduce Poison Ivy?
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Post by BullocK on Feb 5, 2005 16:01:43 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]Let me start off by saying that it's really great to finally get some new episodes! As for "Topsy Turvy", I really enjoyed it! They really nailed Joker on this outing, much better than his first appearance. I have to agree that Kevin Michael Richardson has really got the Joker nailed, and is on par with Mark Hamill's portrayal of him.
Can't wait for next week's episode![/shadow]
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Post by Batdan on Feb 5, 2005 22:35:44 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]This is an entirely new universe...so you're bound to see some recurring themes with the characters...they're doing these things for the first time. This happens all the time in comics...there are characterisitics that carry through regardless of what universe they're in....the Joker has a certain style to him..and he's bound to do things that you've seen before....we've seen him in a suit before and I don't hear anyone complaining about seeing that again. [/shadow] Sure, but this has nothing to do with characteristics carrying through from one interpretation to the next. This has to do with a lack of inspired storytelling. Joker as homicidal maniac? Fine. Joker as dangerous prankster? OK. Writers using hackneyed plot devices? No, I won't accept that. Listen, I like the show. I just think they've not found their voice yet with the Joker. And, hey, that took awhile on TAS too. And if you're looking for someone to do a primer on The Joker pre-Crisis, I volunteer. Just say the word.
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Post by ROBOTRON on Feb 6, 2005 0:43:35 GMT -5
I can't wait to see this Clayface episode I keep hearing about. I was skeptical of the plot twist on him this time around, but now the more I hear, the more I anticipate it.
I think its going to be GREAT. ;D
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 6, 2005 1:44:38 GMT -5
I didn't say I hated this episode, my beef is more with the Joker, and BatDan had some valid points. I mean c'mon...for example "Victor Fries (Typo) common bank/jewelry store robber? Gimmie a break. Its obvious Matt...you really like everything about "The Batman", I don't blame you...I'm grateful the cartoon is being made and have enjoyed about 75% of what I've seen so far...but I guess I was just so used to the sheer quality of the "BTAS" and "The New Adventures of", BBeyond, etc....I guess I was just spoiled by the whole thing, and didn't want it to end. Call it "old fogey-ism". But end it did. I really like "The Batman" and I will continue to catch every episode and collect the figures...but don't hate me (figure of speech) because I have a few beefs here and there. [shadow=green,left,300]Robo...firstly, I'm definately not hating on your for your opinions! I'm only responding to criticizm on the show that I don't feel is valid with my felings on it...thats all! Do I love EVERYTHING about The Batman? Nope. Didn't love EVERYTHING about BTAS either. Thats just how it works. But I love most things about both..and I see them both for what they are...very different interpretations of the mythos. I know its hard to stop comparing them. As for Mr Freeze's origin...I want to say again (and gang you know I know more than I can tell ya always) trust me when I say that these characters will have more fleshed out origins in the future. You don't HAVE to have a character's full origin in their first ep do ya? Think to yourself about WHY freeze was robbing the bank...and why he had a pic of Nora on his dashboard....perhaps he desperately needed money for something....... just keep it in mind when judging...let the series play out. as for the questions about Poison Ivy I ve been seeing.....hmmmm....that would be nifty...could happen. [/shadow]
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Post by ROBOTRON on Feb 6, 2005 2:42:20 GMT -5
Point taken Matt. The Batman, JLU, Smallville the only thing good on tv right now. Everything else is Reality TV. I DESPISE reality shows. - meh.
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 6, 2005 2:49:33 GMT -5
I DESPISE reality shows. - meh. [shadow=green,left,300]now THERE is something we can definately both agree on![/shadow]
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Post by Darthm on Feb 6, 2005 8:16:22 GMT -5
I thought the episode was great! The "revenge" aspect of the Joker seems to be something that can never be overdone. The Jokers crazy and will probably take it very personally if he feels someone did him wrong. It's not surprising to me to see him take hostages and threaten them all lots of times. All of the crazy gadgets that the Joker had were nice to see and are great toy opportunities for Mattel. Hopefully the Joker go-cart appears in more episodes! I'd give the episode 9 out of 10. [shadow=green,left,300]You know I've mentioned this before...that most of this show reflects a tougher version of the pre-crisis era bat-verse...but it occurs to me that some of you must not really be familiar with the pre-crisis characterizations.[/shadow] Good point Matt. BTAS was what introduced me to Batman's world and beyond the DK reference books I have never read anything to give me an idea of what the old characters were like. I would love to read some older comics or stories and see what the pre-crisis Joker was like. It would be much appreciated if some one could tell me where I could find a bunch of these stories (TPB, internet site, etc.).
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Post by Josh on Feb 6, 2005 13:09:35 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]So I woke up this morning thinking I was getting a new episode of The Batman, and what do I get instead Some horrible educational cartoon.
Then I went to Yahoo TV listings to check if the time changed but no. Kids WB is now on Saturdays in Chicago, despite it having been on Sundays for over 10 years. That's crazy. I never saw any commercials for it or nothing.[/glow]
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Post by Robin on Feb 6, 2005 14:36:16 GMT -5
This episode was great. Definately one of the best. It's been airing in Canada but I've missed it everytime. The Peguin episode was on Teletoon before the Joker episode on Saturday and I like the Penguin one a little more.
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Post by DarknessFalls on Feb 6, 2005 16:28:59 GMT -5
This episode was pretty good. The Joker's face looks more menacing than usual. Technically, I don't care if The Joker wears shoes, or having a bad hair day, or wearing the proper suit or not. I just see this show as another CARTOON show, I don't expect everything to be like the original one. There's a fine line between cartoons and animated series. ;D If this is an animated series, then there would be a different story.
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Post by Arkham16 on Feb 6, 2005 18:28:05 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I have no problem with any part of the ep. I loved it through and through. Just nice to see a cartoon on Kids Wb that doesn't look like it's drawn by a 10 year old or imported from Japan. Loved Joker and his weapons, Loved Bats dressin' like joker in arkham.[/glow]
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Post by Batleaf93 on Feb 7, 2005 1:45:13 GMT -5
I might be the only one who thinks this but I can not get into the new voice of the joker. I love the new look and like matt said it is a new universe and I respect the look and vision that has been brought with this joker. I am also very open to change. To me kevin conroy is the definative batman voice, however I really enjoy romanos voice and think he makes a great younger version of batman. I pretty much like all the new voice talents except this joker. To me KMR is not bringing anything new to the character and not making this joker stand out like hamills. To say that KMR is on par with mark hamill to me is like saying clooney was as good as a batman than keaton was. That just isn't the case. In my opinion KMR is just trying to sound like hamills joker and that this jokers attitude and lines are not quite where I expected. However it is early yet so I hope this joker will improve throughout the series. Don't get me wrong KMR is a great voice talent just right now I am not convinced that he should have been the number one choice for the joker.
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Post by wayneson on Feb 7, 2005 19:59:08 GMT -5
I agree with Matt in that The Batman is doing OK, and that we shouldn't compare it to BTAS or TNBA or even BB (I loved 'em too, ROBOTRON) - I think that part of the problem with the Joker in this version is that they have introduced a new take on a highly iconic character without the creative storytelling that might bring the character to life. It's one thing to have the Joker as a barefooted, dread-locked apeman, but when you recycle plot points from BTAS and the movies, then you invite the comparisons - the revenge plot from "Christmas With The Joker", the normal guy in Joker makeup from "Joker's Wild", Batman locked in Arkham from "Dreams In Darkness", the hideout with a giant clown head in front, Joker in a hot air balloon, etc., etc.....BTAS was able to introduce variety to their take on the Joker with cool plotlines like "Joker's Favor", "Be a Clown" and, with the introduction of Harley Quinn, a masterpiece in "Mad Love" - I'm still waiting for The Batman's Joker to reveal something new besides the art design...oh, and by the way, Mr. Joker...Jabba called. He wants his carbonite slab maker back.
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Post by Batdan on Feb 7, 2005 21:01:48 GMT -5
I think that part of the problem with the Joker in this version is that they have introduced a new take on a highly iconic character without the creative storytelling that might bring the character to life. It's one thing to have the Joker as a barefooted, dread-locked apeman, but when you recycle plot points from BTAS and the movies, then you invite the comparisons ... Well put and my point exactly. I have no problem with them trying to put a new spin on the Joker with his outfit, hair, etc. In fact, I admire the series for trying to look at everything through fresh eyes. I didn't even mind the treatment of Mr. Freeze that upset so many people. I just mind recycled plots.
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