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Post by HUSH on Sept 25, 2004 13:57:07 GMT -5
He may have been just a bit too strong I'm not complaining! No one has mentioned the nachos! I've never seen Bruce "snack" in any other incarnation of Batman. I'd say that was part of the "hip" thing. I don't know what to think about it. Well, it's not that big a deal, just thought I'd mention it. I, too, think this Bane was a better portrayal than TAS' Bane. Looked cooler, too, IMO.
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Post by Vgmastr on Sept 25, 2004 14:17:42 GMT -5
I loved the episode, especially the flashback. My one small complaint was Alfred saving Batman. How exactly did he get Bruce and the Batbot off the roof without being seen? Other than that, great episode.
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Post by Violator on Sept 25, 2004 15:37:56 GMT -5
Definatly the best episode so far. I like how they handled Bane, this particualr re-design works very well for the character. The Batbot was not neon green with pink polka-dots, learn from this, Mattel. And of course, the Flashback scene, simple yet perfect.
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Post by The Dinoboy Wonder! on Sept 25, 2004 17:04:32 GMT -5
well, you see, I liked the episode, but it was somehow lacking...im starting to hate det yin the bruce's friend...
bane was very cool...
very short too...I dunno...it wasn't the best episode...Penguin's episode was better.....
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Post by mike621 on Sept 25, 2004 19:48:55 GMT -5
Wahhh I missed it!
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Post by Batmatt on Sept 25, 2004 20:15:12 GMT -5
My cable system is really odd. The Batman doesn't air at all till the repeats. WB switches to Celebrating the Eucharist at ten o clock. I get everything before that, but that doesn't do me any good.
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Post by /\/\att on Sept 25, 2004 23:50:50 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]*in Simpsons comic book guy voice* BEST EPISODE EVER!
The team has truly gone above and beyond on this one...they took a character I've always thought was underused and gave him a quality showing! Bane is now one of the baddest mothers I've seen...as opposed to the akward luchadore look he had going before!
That flashback scene with young Bruce in the police station...that seriously took me aback...I was not expecting it...and to be quite honest, it brought a tear to my eye..maybe its cause I have a son, I dunno...but it was done so well...so emotionally. and yeah, that cop did remind me of Gordon too...maybe just wishful thinking..but who knows....
The Bat-Bot was bad butt. I hope he breaks it out again..not too much mind you, but I don't think that'll be an issue. Gee, wouldn't it be neat of Mattel to make a Bat-Bot toy? I think that'd be neato.....hopefully we'll see that soon!.
Overall, a 10 out of 10. Pure perfection![/shadow]
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Post by HUSH on Sept 25, 2004 23:52:43 GMT -5
Hey, /\/\att, or anyone, do you know if Bane will be back for more in this series? [glow=blue,2,300]SAY YES! ;D[/glow]
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Post by /\/\att on Sept 25, 2004 23:57:31 GMT -5
Hey, /\/\att, or anyone, do you know if Bane will be back for more in this series? [glow=blue,2,300]SAY YES! ;D[/glow] [shadow=green,left,300]He'll be BACK[/shadow]
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Post by HUSH on Sept 25, 2004 23:58:58 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]He'll be BACK[/shadow] WOO-HOO! Thank you, /\/\att and Matsuda!!!
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Post by Josh on Sept 26, 2004 11:35:14 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Well, I just got finished watching Traction, and I too have to agree, it's the best episode so far. I'm really liking the way Alfred/Bruce relationship, the flashback was great, and I can't wait to see Bane show up again. The whole episode was just wonderful.[/glow]
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Post by Schemes on Sept 26, 2004 13:12:54 GMT -5
That was simply AMAZING! And the the "breaking of Bats bones" was added in nicely (proving that The Batman isn't kiddy). Like Josh said, I'm also loving the Bruce/Alfred relationship, and I LOVE Alfred's quips. Bane was brought out to his true self, cunning/skillfull/and intellient when not "pumped up", and a extremely strong and dangerous brute when pumped. The Bat Bot was a nice touch, but it looks like Bruce won't be using that much, seeing as how Bane wrecked it.
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Post by Drizzt2218 on Sept 26, 2004 16:11:14 GMT -5
Well, I've held off posting my thoughts for a day, to watch the episode again and let it digest first. I hate to be the buzzkill, but this was the first episode that left me at once impressed and disappointed, at the same time.
The action was solid. The voice acting is perfect now. Bane is an incredible visual, very distinctive. I've always hated the way Bane was usually portrayed as a big guy who got...a little bigger. Nothing iconic about that. But the red skinned look, now *that* is distinctive, and I would not mind seeing it translated into the comics as well. The flashback was a brilliant move, too. I loved that scene. And the Batbot brought back fond memories of "Kingdom Come" and "Disappearing Inque."
So, I hear you asking, what was the problem, Larry?
First, the "sweat dropping to the ground" scene. Okay, maybe it's a nitpick, but the scene not only lacked any real tension, not only do I have a hard time believing Yin would *hear* a single drop of sweat fall to the ground, but any way you cut it, as a homage or a ripoff, it was a gigantic cliche. And frankly, I think this series is better than that. The scene was distracting, pointless, and it felt like a Saturday Morning Cartoon trying to emulate a suspenseful scene from a movie. And yes, I'm aware that's exactly what it was--but it didn't *have* to be.
Second, writer Adam Beechen's history penning lighter cartoons (especially his Teen Titans stuff) shines through in this show. His film references (Batman Returns and Monty Python, the aforementioned sweat scene), the scene with the nachos, and quite a bit of his dialogue in general just didn't have that "Batman" feel, despite the overall strength of the plotting. Someone else should have been brought in to polish the script and rewrite a few of the scenes. This could have been a classic episode, and instead it is merely "good." Most shows would settle for good, I am sure. But this is Batman, not the Ninja Turtles. This fantastic plot should have had a fantastic script to accompany it.
In terms of the writing, the first two episodes were a much superior product. Was this horrible? Again, no. I just wish the script had gone through another draft before being brought to the screen.
It gets a solid "B" from me. I'm eagerly anticipating "The Cat and the Bat" next week.
--Larry
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Post by HUSH on Sept 26, 2004 16:24:30 GMT -5
Larry, you're absolutely right about the writing, but despite that, this ep still gets high marks from me because it had, as you said, a fantastic plot.
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Post by Drizzt2218 on Sept 26, 2004 16:35:13 GMT -5
Oh yeah. I don't mean to sound like I didn't enjoy the episode, and I hate to dwell on the negative, but I still can't get this story out of my head. This plot was just *that* good, and if only more care had been taken with the writing itself. I don't even mean to diminish Mr. Beechen, whom I'm sure put his all into this, his first Batman script. But sometimes that just isn't enough. There is no shame in saying "This could be better" and then *getting* another writer to come in and fix the problems.
--Larry
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Post by TJM on Sept 26, 2004 17:51:52 GMT -5
I basically agree with everything Larry said, a good episode that could have been great. Also, as cool as the Batbot was I would have preferred to see Batman take down Bane without the aid of a supersuit, of course with the way Bane is on this show I doubt if that would be possible.
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Post by HUSH on Sept 26, 2004 18:04:08 GMT -5
Oh yeah. I don't mean to sound like I didn't enjoy the episode, and I hate to dwell on the negative, but I still can't get this story out of my head. This plot was just *that* good, and if only more care had been taken with the writing itself. I don't even mean to diminish Mr. Beechen, whom I'm sure put his all into this, his first Batman script. But sometimes that just isn't enough. There is no shame in saying "This could be better" and then *getting* another writer to come in and fix the problems. --Larry Yes. I think the writing definitely could be much improved. I was just saying I really loved the plot of this episode and think it's great despite the rather underaverage writing. I do agree with what you said about someone overseeing the writing. I still believe, though, that this episode is the best so far.
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Post by Drizzt2218 on Sept 26, 2004 19:20:31 GMT -5
TJM, you bring up a good point about Bane that will make it highly interesting to see what happens in his next appearance. Will Batman resort to a Batbot 2.0 to beat him again? I certainly hope not. And at the same time, I hope they don't resort to any other plot devices to take him down next time, either.
If it were up to me, I'd have the near-defeat he suffered this time push Batman to the edge in their next encounter, to the point that he is pushing himself, almost reckless even, to prove to himself that he can handle Bane without using his robo-suit or gadgets: That he is, basically, the superior warrior. He needs to *know* that he can handle anything that comes his way, and almost being killed by Bane twice needs to have weighed down on him more than he has let on.
Part of what makes Batman so appealing is that he may only be human, but his skills and his mind are so superior that it's a tremendous mistake to underestimate him. This time he got his rear handed to him because he was caught unprepared and is still a bit of a rookie, and his ONLY option was to resort to the suit.
Next time the writers need to take steps towards making him more the Batman we all know and have him take down Bane in a man-to-man battle. Bane may have his venom, but Batman needs to show that he doesn't have to resort to similar tactics to defeat his foes.
On a side note, did anybody else notice that the first three episodes have used/established all the skills of Batman? In the first episode, we saw his scientific skills used to create a cure for the Joker Toxin, in the second he used his detective skills, and in this episode he used his technological skills (this *is* the guy who built a Batmobile, Batwing, Batboat, and numerous other gadgets, after all) to create a robotic suit. I'm glad that they are placing emphasis on all his skills and not focusing too much on one in particular.
--Larry
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Post by HUSH on Sept 26, 2004 20:11:28 GMT -5
Part of what makes Batman so appealing is that he may only be human, but his skills and his mind are so superior that it's a tremendous mistake to underestimate him. This time he got his rear handed to him because he was caught unprepared and is still a bit of a rookie, and his ONLY option was to resort to the suit. Next time the writers need to take steps towards making him more the Batman we all know and have him take down Bane in a man-to-man battle. Bane may have his venom, but Batman needs to show that he doesn't have to resort to similar tactics to defeat his foes. I agree. I think that Batman really didn't want to use the suit, he just had no choice. When he had to choose between his pride(fighting without assistance) and being a match for Bane(so that he could save Gotham), he chose to save Gotham. I'm positive that he will try as hard as he can from here to never need assistance again; that he will train that much harder, one motive being to beat Bane next time without help. Something I've been thinking about: he may have had to rely on an exterior force to defeat Bane, but at least he did it himself, unlike in the comics.
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Post by Kyosuke on Sept 26, 2004 22:03:32 GMT -5
TJM, you bring up a good point about Bane that will make it highly interesting to see what happens in his next appearance. Will Batman resort to a Batbot 2.0 to beat him again? I certainly hope not. And at the same time, I hope they don't resort to any other plot devices to take him down next time, either. If it were up to me, I'd have the near-defeat he suffered this time push Batman to the edge in their next encounter, to the point that he is pushing himself, almost reckless even, to prove to himself that he can handle Bane without using his robo-suit or gadgets: That he is, basically, the superior warrior. He needs to *know* that he can handle anything that comes his way, and almost being killed by Bane twice needs to have weighed down on him more than he has let on. Part of what makes Batman so appealing is that he may only be human, but his skills and his mind are so superior that it's a tremendous mistake to underestimate him. This time he got his rear handed to him because he was caught unprepared and is still a bit of a rookie, and his ONLY option was to resort to the suit. Next time the writers need to take steps towards making him more the Batman we all know and have him take down Bane in a man-to-man battle. Bane may have his venom, but Batman needs to show that he doesn't have to resort to similar tactics to defeat his foes. On a side note, did anybody else notice that the first three episodes have used/established all the skills of Batman? In the first episode, we saw his scientific skills used to create a cure for the Joker Toxin, in the second he used his detective skills, and in this episode he used his technological skills (this *is* the guy who built a Batmobile, Batwing, Batboat, and numerous other gadgets, after all) to create a robotic suit. I'm glad that they are placing emphasis on all his skills and not focusing too much on one in particular. --Larry He might not because he was seriously injured and that is why he use it in the first place.
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Post by ProfessorHStrange on Sept 26, 2004 22:21:29 GMT -5
I loved Alfred in this episode and the part of remembering back to when Bruce was young. We are seeing more and more of Alfred as the surrogate father.This is the best thing about this show. The villians are there but the true star is The Batman/Bruce Wayne. I am really starting to like Detective Ethan Bennett and his taking up for The Batman. Bane was good, He kind of reminded me of Mr. Hyde in LXG movie as he is a gigantic colossus. I could see Bane becoming a crime boss more and more especially through this episode.Definately not B&R's Bane (UGH!) ProfessorHStrange!
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Post by HUSH on Sept 26, 2004 22:29:36 GMT -5
Definately not B&R's Bane (UGH!) My sentiments exactly! ;D One thing that I think could have been added to in this ep, which I forgot to mention, was more of Bennet's reaction when Yin suggested that Batman might be the thief. I mean, he believes Batman to be a "good guy", but he didn't seem worried when he discovered he might be wrong. There definitely should have been some more emotion from him at that point, IMO. Still a great ep, just a case of underdevelopment in the supporting characters.
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 26, 2004 22:44:08 GMT -5
Great ! Alfred has really been getting the attention and personal touches he deserves. Now if only the same could be said for Gordon, then the show would really take off in my opinion.
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Post by kultman on Sept 27, 2004 10:45:51 GMT -5
I loved this episode. Nowadays you see Batman taking down Superman, it's nice to see him vulneralble.
I also like Alfred's participation in the series. Here, he speaks his mind and you really see how much he's needed.
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Post by Widowmaker on Sept 27, 2004 14:05:17 GMT -5
I really liked this one too. I think that the Batbot was a nice way to squeeze a toy in to the show, although they should not make too much a habbit of it.
I think the "hulked-up" Bane is a pretty intense villain, and they should have a nice future with the character. Kinda missed the Lucha-libre mask though.
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Post by Sands on Sept 27, 2004 16:36:16 GMT -5
I really liked this one too. I think that the Batbot was a nice way to squeeze a toy in to the show, although they should not make too much a habbit of it. I think the "hulked-up" Bane is a pretty intense villain, and they should have a nice future with the character. Kinda missed the Lucha-libre mask though. What toy is the Bat Bot somedoy help me please
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Post by HUSH on Sept 27, 2004 18:49:02 GMT -5
What toy is the Bat Bot somedoy help me please The toy is called "Batbot Batman", but doesn't much resemble the one in the episode. It is Batman wearing a bulky red-and-gray robotic suit. There is a pic @ LoG's toy archive. If you don't know where, go to the LoG home page, go to toys, then The Batman toys, and in the Wave One action figure list is Batbot Batman.
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Post by The Dinoboy Wonder! on Sept 27, 2004 19:19:08 GMT -5
its luchadór. not luchadore. ;)btw, I liked the luchadór bane! the way he speaks with a latino accent, that is how he really is, plus, he wasn't stupid in TAS or TNBA like you're saying he was...this bane is really cool, but do'nt forget the other banes...of course, you can forget about B&R bane... ;D but, yeah, it was cool, but when I mean lacking, well, they have already explained it for me...underdevelopment of characters.
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Post by Wonderboy on Sept 27, 2004 20:47:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed this episode, I thought they handled the story well, but the best part (in the whole series too) is the action scenes, they are very well done.
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Post by PunkRockGirl on Sept 27, 2004 23:12:37 GMT -5
THE GOOD: I really liked the flashback in the police station. It was sad, eerie, touching and cool.
THE BAD: The rest of the show was pretty one-dimensional IMO. Bane was a red wannabe Hulk.
I really don't dig the young Bruce Wayne at all. He's lacking the drive, depth and obsessive qualities that should lead Bruce Wayne to become the Batman.
IN CONCLUSION, IMO: If the show's creators lean more towards the kind of thing we saw in the flashback, this show could become very cool. Unfortunately, however, the mech-suits, nachos and car-flinging are probably going to be the order of the day with "The Batman".
PunkRockGirl
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