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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 4, 2008 16:17:59 GMT -5
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Post by jlavaia on Jul 4, 2008 17:43:10 GMT -5
again? wasnt Superman Returns supposed to be the reboot for the franchise?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 4, 2008 21:41:02 GMT -5
again? wasnt Superman Returns supposed to be the reboot for the franchise? No, Superman Returns was set in the same series from the Christopher Reeves films, placed after Superman I and II, and completely ignoring III and IV. What they're talking about here is a complete restart ala Batman Begins and The Incredible Hulk.
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Post by SteveJRogers on Jul 19, 2008 11:20:38 GMT -5
So, we'll never know if that kid really IS the Son of Superman?
Swell.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 19, 2008 16:18:49 GMT -5
So, we'll never know if that kid really IS the Son of Superman? Swell. Dude, he pretty much is. At the end, Supes gives Jason the same speech Jor-El gave him.
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Post by batmanphantasm on Jul 20, 2008 0:05:30 GMT -5
I'm not a Superman fan, but rebooting that franchise would be good thing for DC and their fans.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 20, 2008 10:58:24 GMT -5
I have always thought Superman Returns was a great tribute film, it took alot of the elements and story from the first two films and inter-twined it into Superman Returns.
A reboot so soon though, ehhh not so sure its a hot idea, Granted us hardcore Superman and Comic Book superhero movie fans would love to see it, but I don't think it would do that well at the box office, and it could mean the end of Supes on the big screen for some time to come if it was a flop money wise.
I would rather just wait for them to do a Justice League Movie with Superman in it.
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Post by electri on Jul 20, 2008 13:45:17 GMT -5
dc are opening there doors flash, green lantern and green arrow wow go dc u rock better than marvel and ur gonna show it
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Post by SteveJRogers on Jul 20, 2008 17:28:30 GMT -5
So, we'll never know if that kid really IS the Son of Superman? Swell. Dude, he pretty much is. At the end, Supes gives Jason the same speech Jor-El gave him. Well yeah, I was just having a little fun there.
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Post by batmanphantasm on Jul 22, 2008 1:36:54 GMT -5
They have to make Superman less gay and actually have him with Lois Lane, like in Superman: The Movie.
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Post by Jack the Skull on Jul 22, 2008 16:47:42 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]I agree with batmanphantasm! They need to create a more realistic and interesting Superman.
A different villain other than Lex Luthor would be great! Superman has such an exciting rouges gallery and it is almost never used![/shadow]
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Post by Batlaw on Jul 22, 2008 18:10:27 GMT -5
Im fine if they want to start over yet again, but personally not what I would prefer. I think they should take what theyve learned about Returns shortcommings and Singer and Co. should have at least one more go.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 22, 2008 19:07:41 GMT -5
I think if they were going to do a reboot, they should have done it with Returns. Now that they made that one, they should continue for awhile with it. I liked Returns, but it didn't deliver enough action. Singer wanted to have the sequel have more action. Why bother with a reboot?
I think that Superman's character and origin are much less open to enterpretation. Batman has adapted to the times, but I've always thought that Superman was always kind of rise above the times. I may be wrong in that department.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 24, 2008 19:27:41 GMT -5
i don't like superman and would love to see him fail on the big screen. but if i were to want a new superman movie, i think a rebook is the way to go. leave that awful suite from returns behind and return him to his classic duds. make the star buff up like Christopher reeves did because Routh looked too skinny for superman. and no, we don't need superman to be realistic...he flies, has arctic breath, laser vision, etc. having him relate to human race always confuses me because HE IS NOT HUMAN. he's an alien. get the outsider perspective from him, but not a human one. and please, no Christ comparisons. Superman is not the Lord no matter how bad fanboys want him to be. and one more thing, it would be fine to bring luthor back - but for once make him f*cking evil! everytime he plays for laughs. rubbish
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Post by batman1973 on Jul 25, 2008 4:33:24 GMT -5
A reboot would be fine, if they get it right. My biggest beef with Batman begins is well, pretty much all of it. while visually a great film, they got the entire backstory of the Bat WRONG. So, maybe, just maybe for once, those re-re's in Hollywood can get a super hero orgin right, just once! Superman would be great one to start with.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 25, 2008 5:14:21 GMT -5
it's not that they got his back-story wrong (i'm assuming that you are referring to bruce buying a gun to kill joe chill with) but rather that they adapted the story to fit as a legitimate movie, and not just another comic book to film type of thing.
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Post by batman1973 on Jul 25, 2008 6:07:58 GMT -5
Ah, it wasn't just Bruce buying a gun..it was the whole thing. Common knowlege: The Joker and Catwoman were among the first of Batman's villians. (Not Scarecrow) He met Ra's much later, and if I'm not mistaken, Bruce had little or nothing to do with the League of Assassins. he was trained by several different martial artists around the world, most notably Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva. Early comics also had Bruce train with the FBI, and I've heard that he has several degrees in Criminology, Forensic science and has had training as a Medical Examiner. Heck, if He wasn't a Billionare playboy by day, Neurotic vigilanite who beats crimnals into unconsciesness by night, he'd be a helluva cop.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 25, 2008 19:32:56 GMT -5
Ah, it wasn't just Bruce buying a gun..it was the whole thing. Common knowlege: The Joker and Catwoman were among the first of Batman's villians. (Not Scarecrow) He met Ra's much later, and if I'm not mistaken, Bruce had little or nothing to do with the League of Assassins. he was trained by several different martial artists around the world, most notably Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva. Early comics also had Bruce train with the FBI, and I've heard that he has several degrees in Criminology, Forensic science and has had training as a Medical Examiner. Heck, if He wasn't a Billionare playboy by day, Neurotic vigilanite who beats crimnals into unconsciesness by night, he'd be a helluva cop. OMG this movie was different than the comic books!!! We need to burn every copy of this movie! Chris Nolan should have ignored originality and only had Batman do exactly as he did in the comics because any deviation from that is wrong! Seriously, they had reasons for doing things the way that they did. Given the theme of Begins, it only makes sense to have Scarecrow. Plus for the first movie, Nolan wanted to use characters that had not been featured in the Burton/ Schumacher movies. They could have shown Batman in more training, but the movie already went extremely long to not have Batman. The first time I watched it, I got really anxious for him to just be Batman. I would have preferred the Joker to be in the third movie because that would be the ultimate test for Batman. I don't know what they are going to do for the third movie, but it is going to have a difficult time topping TDK.
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Post by jlavaia on Jul 25, 2008 23:15:17 GMT -5
Ah, it wasn't just Bruce buying a gun..it was the whole thing. Common knowlege: The Joker and Catwoman were among the first of Batman's villians. (Not Scarecrow) He met Ra's much later, and if I'm not mistaken, Bruce had little or nothing to do with the League of Assassins. he was trained by several different martial artists around the world, most notably Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva. Early comics also had Bruce train with the FBI, and I've heard that he has several degrees in Criminology, Forensic science and has had training as a Medical Examiner. Heck, if He wasn't a Billionare playboy by day, Neurotic vigilanite who beats crimnals into unconsciesness by night, he'd be a helluva cop. yes, the story in Begins is horrible and it's clearly obvious that Christopher Nolan never read a Batman comic, but it is a movie and it's only based on the character Batman, it's not an actual adaptation of any specific works. Nolan wanted to do things his way, knowing that people would see it regardless of how wrong the story was. he made the character how he wanted. i agree with you though, it was horrible. on another note, Batman only trained briefly with Richard Dragon and it was to learn a specific fighting style that Dragon perfected, and Dragon didnt even know who he was training and still doesnt know that he trained Batman. he was re-trained by Lady Shiva, not initially trained by her and it came during Knightquest. alot of his training came from Kirigi, a founding member of the League of Assassins, but he had many, many trainers. according to current continuity, Catwoman also had nothing to do with Batman for many years. Batman didnt encounter Catwoman until around his second to third year, closer to the third, as Selina didnt become Catwoman until then. he did actually encounter Scarecrow before he encountered Catwoman. but Ra's came much later and had absolutely nothing to do with his training, so you are correct there. he never trained with the FBI though, all of his training came abroad. he learned alot of his detection skills from an agent of Scotland Yard and trained under Henri Ducard in the art of manhunting. Bruce has no degrees in any of the subjects that you mentioned. he attended multiple universities and schools throughout Europe, but he only took a few classes here and there and never graduated from any of the schools, so he has no degrees just extensive knowledge in those areas. he also never trained as a medical examiner, i'd say he has a passing knowledge in that area and that's it. with all that said, you really shouldnt bad mouth Nolan's knowledge of Batman history. i dislike the Batman movies probaly more than anyone. mostly because of all the things that are done wrong and are incorrect, so i completely agree with you that someone else should be making the Batman movies, like an actual fan of the character and someone who has read at least an issue of one of their titles.
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Post by batman1973 on Jul 26, 2008 0:51:31 GMT -5
Fair enough. Getting back on topic, I'm in favor of a re-do, if it's done with a degree of keeping the story accurate.(None of this "Smallville" garbage) I also agree with the earlier comment of using some of Clark's other rouges.(i.e. Livewire, Darkseid) However, just as Batman has the Joker, Superman has Alexander Luthor.
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Post by batmanphantasm on Jul 28, 2008 3:57:57 GMT -5
Ah, it wasn't just Bruce buying a gun..it was the whole thing. Common knowlege: The Joker and Catwoman were among the first of Batman's villians. (Not Scarecrow) He met Ra's much later, and if I'm not mistaken, Bruce had little or nothing to do with the League of Assassins. he was trained by several different martial artists around the world, most notably Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva. Early comics also had Bruce train with the FBI, and I've heard that he has several degrees in Criminology, Forensic science and has had training as a Medical Examiner. Heck, if He wasn't a Billionare playboy by day, Neurotic vigilanite who beats crimnals into unconsciesness by night, he'd be a helluva cop. yes, the story in Begins is horrible and it's clearly obvious that Christopher Nolan never read a Batman comic, but it is a movie and it's only based on the character Batman, it's not an actual adaptation of any specific works. Nolan wanted to do things his way, knowing that people would see it regardless of how wrong the story was. he made the character how he wanted. i agree with you though, it was horrible. on another note, Batman only trained briefly with Richard Dragon and it was to learn a specific fighting style that Dragon perfected, and Dragon didnt even know who he was training and still doesnt know that he trained Batman. he was re-trained by Lady Shiva, not initially trained by her and it came during Knightquest. alot of his training came from Kirigi, a founding member of the League of Assassins, but he had many, many trainers. according to current continuity, Catwoman also had nothing to do with Batman for many years. Batman didnt encounter Catwoman until around his second to third year, closer to the third, as Selina didnt become Catwoman until then. he did actually encounter Scarecrow before he encountered Catwoman. but Ra's came much later and had absolutely nothing to do with his training, so you are correct there. he never trained with the FBI though, all of his training came abroad. he learned alot of his detection skills from an agent of Scotland Yard and trained under Henri Ducard in the art of manhunting. Bruce has no degrees in any of the subjects that you mentioned. he attended multiple universities and schools throughout Europe, but he only took a few classes here and there and never graduated from any of the schools, so he has no degrees just extensive knowledge in those areas. he also never trained as a medical examiner, i'd say he has a passing knowledge in that area and that's it. with all that said, you really shouldnt bad mouth Nolan's knowledge of Batman history. i dislike the Batman movies probaly more than anyone. mostly because of all the things that are done wrong and are incorrect, so i completely agree with you that someone else should be making the Batman movies, like an actual fan of the character and someone who has read at least an issue of one of their titles. I doubt most people know his backstory. That's why they seem to mostly focus on his parents' murder and not on everything else he did after that to become Batman. Batman Begins would have been a total different movie if it was told by someone who read the comics.
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Post by Jack the Skull on Aug 20, 2008 16:04:57 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300] Anne Thompson from Variety gave this report;
"Fans have been clamoring all over the web... for a complete reboot. And within the halls of Warner Bros. the same debate rages on. They too believe that the last movie didn't break the mold and wound up in some kind of middle limbo. Today I was told that it is a priority at the studio to find the right direction and if Bryan Singer is willing to do that, fine, but if he gets in the way, he may not stay on the project. There are no writers working on a Superman script now. The studio wants to figure it out. "It might be better to start from scratch," one exec admitted."
I hope they canget the right actors and director and make it moe like this years Iron Man or The incredable Hulk.[/shadow]
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Post by jasontodd2 on Aug 20, 2008 16:16:49 GMT -5
I am all for a reboot, and personally I think that Bryan Singer should get the boot. He had his shot at doing a Superman movie right and totally missed his chance to do something great. Get somebody in there that knows what they are doing.
And I have been going back and forth about Brandon Routh, sure he really looked the part, but after long debate and really thinking about it, acting wise all Routh did was do a really great Christopher Reeve impression, he brought nothing new to the character, so I think with a reboot they would need to get a new actor as well.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 21, 2008 8:46:58 GMT -5
Didnt they reboot it with that sad attempt at a movie Superman Returns?
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 21, 2008 18:50:31 GMT -5
Didnt they reboot it with that sad attempt at a movie Superman Returns? i had thought the same thing. All-Star answered it on the first page. i posted his answer below: again? wasnt Superman Returns supposed to be the reboot for the franchise? No, Superman Returns was set in the same series from the Christopher Reeves films, placed after Superman I and II, and completely ignoring III and IV. What they're talking about here is a complete restart ala Batman Begins and The Incredible Hulk.
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Post by Jack the Skull on Aug 22, 2008 17:09:29 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]I have breaking News!
The Superman reboot has been confirmed!
Warner Bros. also put on hold plans for another movie starring multiple superheroes -- known as "Batman vs. Superman" -- after the $215 million Superman Returns, which had disappointing box-office returns, didn't please executives. "'Superman' didn't quite work as a film in the way that we wanted it to," says Mr. Robinov. "It didn't position the character the way he needed to be positioned." "Had 'Superman' worked in 2006, we would have had a movie for Christmas of this year or 2009," he adds. "But now the plan is just to reintroduce Superman without regard to a Batman and Superman movie at all."
And Jeff Robinov (Warner Bros. Pictures Group) stated "We're going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it,"
For the entire article is available at the Superman Supersite and the Wallstreet Journal website. [/shadow]
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 23, 2008 10:16:25 GMT -5
Cool. And its good they wont have any Batman vs Superman crap, that would have been horrible. I hope they can reboot the series with some dignity, and not have Bryan Singer direct it.
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Post by Batlaw on Aug 23, 2008 11:11:37 GMT -5
WB suits are clueless.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Aug 23, 2008 18:17:55 GMT -5
superman to go dark? are these people retarded?
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Post by SuperPa on Aug 23, 2008 20:16:35 GMT -5
Superman in the comics isn't Dark,not to any extent that's Batman's M.O. I'm not not for a re-boot at all.I think Singer did a great job with Returns he captured the essence of the Donner films and The Characters in the books and brought it to the screen with grac and just made it great,the casting was spot on too,Routh was and is a great Superman.
If the re-boot has to go ahead and i mean if it has to,cause i love this incarnation of Superman but if the Studio says that's what they are going to do,they should keep the cast and director and give Singer all the control of the project,he's planning a massive Superman versus an Alien villain for the next one Superman:Man Of Steel but where that stands now is anyone's guess with this talk of a re-boot.My point being i think Singer is the only director i can see doing a Superman movie now a days and to miss out on him doing an action sequel andgoing "All Wrath of Khan on it" would be a great loss.
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