clownprince1
Legions of Gotham Police Officer
Why so Serious?
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Robin
Jan 4, 2009 17:55:20 GMT -5
Post by clownprince1 on Jan 4, 2009 17:55:20 GMT -5
Here's how I see it. In terms of the whole evolution of the Nolan Series Robin would be the next best thing, but in today's world the whole kid sidekick fails.
I'd rather see a batman movie (Long after Nolan's done) where Dick has left the mantle of Robin and him and Bruce are at each other's throats.
Personally I'd like to see Robin gone from the comics. There is nothing signifigant about the character anymore, IMO. Batman is a loner. Period.
But I'd like to know your thoughts...does Robin fit anymore?
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Robin
Jan 4, 2009 18:30:00 GMT -5
Post by svengali1337 on Jan 4, 2009 18:30:00 GMT -5
If your asking weither or not robin should be in the next film i would say that its fine. But here are some problems with it:
-I wouldn't want some young annoying 12 year old playing him or a 18 year old awful actor, like Chris O'Donnell from "batman & robin". I would want someone that looks like him and is old enough, but not too old, to play the role.
-I cant see Bale as batman with a robin or having an allie of any sort. He plays a bad batman and i don't think it would be good if they put him with a kid. How would they have a conversation if he talks in that silly voice of his?
-I wouldn't want a movie about how robin becomes robin, because for me, it would be boring. I would rather have him already being robin and maybe showing a few flashbacks or something.
-If the movie is about how robin doesn't want to be robin or batman doesn't want to be batman but robin does or batman doesn't want him to be robin. Then screw it, ill save my money. I don't want to see one of them not wanting to be a hero and whining about it like they kind of did in TDK. Your batman, deal with it.
-I would want a robin that is strong and can hold is own. Not one that batman is always having to save.
-As far as not liking robin and him being "nothing significant" i thinks thats stupid. I don't know if you read the comics or not but robin is a key character and so are the other allies of batman.
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Robin
Jan 4, 2009 21:34:58 GMT -5
Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 4, 2009 21:34:58 GMT -5
In the Nolan universe, the way they ended The Dark Knight, I think that DICK GRAYSON, NOT ROBIN is the logical next step. We were left with Batman essentially beaten: He's now being hunted. His allies are gone with the exception of Alfred (he can't work with Gordon, and i don't believe he would even if gordon wanted to, and dent and rachel are dead), how is this guy not going a little crazy? I think taking in a young Dick Grayson who could possibly help from the sidelines and in the cave would make a lot more sense. I don't want a kid in a red, yellow and green shorts, i'm with you guys. But the transformation Bruce would have to make in taking on a ward would begin to show how the character begins to heal his emotional wounds.
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 1:17:59 GMT -5
Post by All Star Batman on Jan 5, 2009 1:17:59 GMT -5
I think Robin could be workable in this new Batman series. It's just that Nolan and Bale don't want to do it. But it would make good development for Bruce. Besides, Robin gives Batman stability, and after TDK, Bruce really needs some.
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batsy68
Legions Of Gothamite
"why do we fall bruce?" "errr.. so we can claim compo?"
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 13:51:46 GMT -5
Post by batsy68 on Jan 5, 2009 13:51:46 GMT -5
Robin sucks, always has, always will. To think he will ever be in any Batman film churns my stomach. He will not work in the Nolan series. From age,costume, background story, he fails big time. Nolan had the right idea about which clown to use, the Joker. We don't need another one in the form of Robin.
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5
Post by svengali1337 on Jan 5, 2009 15:56:15 GMT -5
Robin sucks, always has, always will. To think he will ever be in any Batman film churns my stomach. He will not work in the Nolan series. From age,costume, background story, he fails big time. Nolan had the right idea about which clown to use, the Joker. We don't need another one in the form of Robin. Are you even a real bat-fan?
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batsy68
Legions Of Gothamite
"why do we fall bruce?" "errr.. so we can claim compo?"
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 16:15:14 GMT -5
Post by batsy68 on Jan 5, 2009 16:15:14 GMT -5
Robin sucks, always has, always will. To think he will ever be in any Batman film churns my stomach. He will not work in the Nolan series. From age,costume, background story, he fails big time. Nolan had the right idea about which clown to use, the Joker. We don't need another one in the form of Robin. Are you even a real bat-fan? For around 35yrs now. Back in the Golden/silver age he worked just fine among the space giants, death rays and giant boxing gloves. Today, not so. If you want to see Robin in a major Batman film, remember how well that turned out the last time. The franchise nearly died.
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clownprince19
Gotham Tourist
DONT BE SO PREDICTABLE THIS IS HIS REAL FACE!
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 16:46:37 GMT -5
Post by clownprince19 on Jan 5, 2009 16:46:37 GMT -5
For me, Robin has no place in the Nolan series, and thank god for it, Bale said himself no boy wonder...so thank the lord. I hate him I seriously do, Batman belongs on his own, too see some 14 year old kid save Batman in the new movies would destory the image of Batman...and you would view him as not nearly as powerful as you thought he was.
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 16:57:00 GMT -5
Post by Batlaw on Jan 5, 2009 16:57:00 GMT -5
No such thing really. Such statements always baffle me.
The previous franchise die and it was not the result of the introducing Robin. Quite the oposite really.
BATSY68... relax just a tad please.
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 17:24:24 GMT -5
Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 5, 2009 17:24:24 GMT -5
There should not be a Robin in the next film, but at least Dick Grayson. Anyone agree with me on this one?
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batsy68
Legions Of Gothamite
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 17:35:58 GMT -5
Post by batsy68 on Jan 5, 2009 17:35:58 GMT -5
No such thing really. Such statements always baffle me. The previous franchise die and it was not the result of the introducing Robin. Quite the oposite really. BATSY68... relax just a tad please. It did'nt help the movies, believe me. I'm chilled, honest. LOL
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 19:32:02 GMT -5
Post by All Star Batman on Jan 5, 2009 19:32:02 GMT -5
Are you even a real bat-fan? For around 35yrs now. Back in the Golden/silver age he worked just fine among the space giants, death rays and giant boxing gloves. Today, not so. If you want to see Robin in a major Batman film, remember how well that turned out the last time. The franchise nearly died. Robin was not the reason the last series died, that was Joel Schumacher's fault. He made the villains too wacky, added nipples and codpieces to the Batsuits, and made Gotham a neon-city. Robin could've worked, Schumacher just really screwed up big time.
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Robin
Jan 5, 2009 19:44:25 GMT -5
Post by Batlaw on Jan 5, 2009 19:44:25 GMT -5
It was the inclusion of Robin that made Batman Forever the success it was (although BF was the begining of the end). It was the direction of B+R and changing tastes / attitudes that "killed" the last franchise.
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Robin
Jan 6, 2009 2:57:51 GMT -5
Post by Dark Nightwing on Jan 6, 2009 2:57:51 GMT -5
A lot of people like Robin. It is only a matter of time before he makes it into a another movie. Nolan doesn't want him, so it will be a little while. I like Robin, but I don't think he should be in the Nolan universe for the time being.
Lets not put into question batsy's fanhood. Such statements should be avoided as they do not add anything to the topic.
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batsy68
Legions Of Gothamite
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Robin
Jan 6, 2009 3:23:07 GMT -5
Post by batsy68 on Jan 6, 2009 3:23:07 GMT -5
Your right in what you say Batlaw. The inclusion of Robin helped bring in a much younger audience. This in turn allowed the franchise to become silly beyond belief. Let me make it clear, I like Robin in my comics. But for me he does not fit the movie role at all. If I'm proved wrong, then feel free to send me a slice of humble pie. I wait with spoon in hand. LOL
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Robin
Jan 6, 2009 16:04:48 GMT -5
Post by svengali1337 on Jan 6, 2009 16:04:48 GMT -5
Your right in what you say Batlaw. The inclusion of Robin helped bring in a much younger audience. This in turn allowed the franchise to become silly beyond belief. Let me make it clear, I like Robin in my comics. But for me he does not fit the movie role at all. If I'm proved wrong, then feel free to send me a slice of humble pie. I wait with spoon in hand. LOL Hahaha, i agree with that.
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Robin
Jan 6, 2009 16:19:31 GMT -5
Post by Eric on Jan 6, 2009 16:19:31 GMT -5
I dont see where bringing Robin into the movies would make it "silly beyond belief". While I hated O'donnel as Robin, I dont think his presence made the series silly.
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batsy68
Legions Of Gothamite
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Robin
Jan 6, 2009 18:29:05 GMT -5
Post by batsy68 on Jan 6, 2009 18:29:05 GMT -5
I dont see where bringing Robin into the movies would make it "silly beyond belief". While I hated O'donnel as Robin, I dont think his presence made the series silly. You don't! How about the ice skates out the bottom of the boot thing? Just kidding, just kidding. I will give the bird boy this. He seems to evoke real passion among those on this forum. I feel a little battered. Bless him and his wee pixie boots
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Robin
Jan 6, 2009 22:55:35 GMT -5
Post by enchantaurora on Jan 6, 2009 22:55:35 GMT -5
In the Nolan universe, the way they ended The Dark Knight, I think that DICK GRAYSON, NOT ROBIN is the logical next step. We were left with Batman essentially beaten: He's now being hunted. His allies are gone with the exception of Alfred (he can't work with Gordon, and i don't believe he would even if gordon wanted to, and dent and rachel are dead), how is this guy not going a little crazy? I think taking in a young Dick Grayson who could possibly help from the sidelines and in the cave would make a lot more sense. I have to agree. Batman without Robin is only one half of the dynamic duo and Bruce Wayne without Dick Grayson almost always ends with the character going into some kind of tail spin psychologically. The presence of Alfred can only do so much, and it's always been apart of the Batman character that having an apprentice that depends on him keeps him closer to an even keel (notice I said "closer to" not "on"). Since we're talking about Realism in the Nolan franchise, realistically very few of these superheroes/vigilantes could do what they do without some sort of support system and since this Batman is not going to be involved in the Justice League they really need to build that into the plot somehow, and I think Dick Grayson-if not Robin-is definitely the way to go. And don't be so hard on svengali1337's comment. Robin is such an integral character that he really does make Batman who he is and saying that you hate on the characters that makes him is like saying that Bruce Wayne's parents shouldn't have died. Batman doesn't come without Robin. Bruce Wayne became Dick's guardian because there is something in that character that would make him do that and to deny that is to deny apart of what and who the character is, as well as denying who he's become because of Dick Grayson. If there wasn't Robin--Dick Grayson--I seriously doubt that the character we have now would really be Batman. To want Bruce not to have taken in Dick Grayson is to wish that he was a totally different person, which is fine if you like that totally different person but let's not call him Batman.
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Robin
Jan 7, 2009 0:03:05 GMT -5
Post by All Star Batman on Jan 7, 2009 0:03:05 GMT -5
I just thought of something. When Harvey was talking about Batman saying "he doesn't want to do this forever, he's looking for someone to take his place." I know in the movie Bruce was looking to Harvey to become Gotham's hero, but maybe they could expand on that. They could take a shot from All Star Batman and Robin and have Bruce looking at Dick to be Batman when the time comes. But Bruce would've waited until he was old enough to take the role, but then Dick's parents were killed so he decides to take Dick in as his ward (or in this case, adopted son).
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Robin
Jan 7, 2009 1:45:46 GMT -5
Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 7, 2009 1:45:46 GMT -5
I don't know man, All Star B&R is pretty wack. That's an okay idea but...i don't know, i'm not sold on it.
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Robin
Jan 7, 2009 6:25:34 GMT -5
Post by All Star Batman on Jan 7, 2009 6:25:34 GMT -5
I don't know man, All Star B&R is pretty wack. That's an okay idea but...i don't know, i'm not sold on it. Well, Miller had some good ideas, it's just the execution didn't turn out well.
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Robin
Jan 7, 2009 14:05:24 GMT -5
Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 7, 2009 14:05:24 GMT -5
Were they really good ideas? Eating rats? Slappin the poor kid? C'mon, man, Miller's off his rocker just trying way too hard to be "outrageous"
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Robin
Jan 7, 2009 18:50:32 GMT -5
Post by All Star Batman on Jan 7, 2009 18:50:32 GMT -5
Were they really good ideas? Eating rats? Slappin the poor kid? C'mon, man, Miller's off his rocker just trying way too hard to be "outrageous" I meant just that Bruce was looking at Dick to take his place but when he was older, but plans changed. None of that stuff you mentioned were what I meant.
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Robin
Jan 7, 2009 22:13:54 GMT -5
Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 7, 2009 22:13:54 GMT -5
i dunno man, i really don't like any of it
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Robin
Jan 11, 2009 17:31:21 GMT -5
Post by enchantaurora on Jan 11, 2009 17:31:21 GMT -5
It might also be pointed out that DC doesn't *need* to work to bring in the younger audience. Eight and Nine years old went to see TDK. Would they be aiming for the five year olds?
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Robin
Jan 12, 2009 10:38:55 GMT -5
Post by havedunter74 on Jan 12, 2009 10:38:55 GMT -5
Robin in the current version of Batman would be so wrong. Nolans Batman is still early in his career and I dont think is experienced enough to train a partner and where is it written in stone that there should be a Robin?
Batman should fly sol for at least another film or 2, we have to films that have been dark and gritty and just a tad violent so I think the introduction of a teenage boy in a bright green and red suit just seems completely out of context.
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Robin
Jan 12, 2009 13:04:56 GMT -5
Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 12, 2009 13:04:56 GMT -5
the next batman movie may not take place so early in batman's career. The Dark Knight had to be set in that time frame because they backed themselves into a corner by setting up the joker at the end of begins. Now, the sequel to the dark knight can be set weeks, months, or years after those events.
I agree that we should not have Robin or anyone in bright green and red, but I am totally for the inclusion of Dick Grayson. I've already explained my reasons in an earlier post. But one thing i will reiterate: at the end of the dark knight, batman is more alone than he's ever been. He's essentially beaten. He must be going somewhat insane. The responsibility of having a ward and the benefits of having a friend are now more important to the character than ever.
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clownprince1
Legions of Gotham Police Officer
Why so Serious?
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Robin
Jan 13, 2009 20:31:26 GMT -5
Post by clownprince1 on Jan 13, 2009 20:31:26 GMT -5
I'd probably would just like to see the character cut...
IMO
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Robin
Apr 14, 2009 5:04:29 GMT -5
Post by zack138 on Apr 14, 2009 5:04:29 GMT -5
I think all you nay-sayers are only imaging how badly it could go, and imaging it as being campy or juvenile. Given the way Nolan's movies go with the gritty realism I don't see why there's any reason it can't be done. Obviously no one wants to see a 13 year old kid in bright green tights running around, but that's no reason to exclude the character altogether. I think if it was done right, and really focused on the death of Dick's parents and how closely his life is mirrored with Bruce's and kept the realistic qualities as apposed to the over the top unrealistic gymnastic stunts as seen in a lot of other media that it could fit perfectly. Obviously the suit would need an upgrade to match the style of the movie, but if it worked with the Joker and Two Face's costumes then why would Robin's be so far out of the question? The character would definitely need to be hardened though, because having too much of the boy wonder role and delivering crack one-liners throughout the movie would really kill the mood. Maybe if he carried more of Nightwing's attitude but with an obvious lack of the experience and expertise that Nightwing has.
I think the hardest thing to accomplish would be finding the right actor. I think casting anyone with the appearance of being younger than around 17 to 18 would be much too juvenile, even though Robin in the comics didn't fit that age bracket. But as far as I'm concerned Nolan's camp have hit every role spot on in the casting department so I'm sure they could find someone adequate to fill the role. As much as I'm for Robin becoming a part of this franchise though, I definitely wouldn't want to see him in the next movie simply because I think there would be too much content squeezed into the movie and I'd rather them focus on the "Batman on the run" story the last movie left off with. I wouldn't mind see Dick Grayson being introduced, maybe as a subtle introduction of sorts or even a small role, but I feel like the transformation to Robin would require too much attention and should be saved for a fourth movie if such a movie would even occur in this same franchise.
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