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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 11, 2009 13:36:52 GMT -5
I picked up Batman and Robin and Red Robin today. Looking forward to reading them after work.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 11, 2009 18:00:41 GMT -5
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 11, 2009 19:17:53 GMT -5
I think picking the two comics I did was a good decision. Batman and Robin is a cool look at the new dynamic between the title characters. It is a fun read. The villains are delightfully creepy. I couldn't help but think of The Twilight Zone with Professor Pyg. This book seems to be all about adventure.
Red Robin dealt with a lot of complex emotions that Tim is going through. Red Robin is pretty dark too. Tim has been through a lot. So while B&R focused on experience, RR seems to be all about characterization and Tim's struggles. Looking forward to the next issue of both of these.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Jun 11, 2009 22:51:36 GMT -5
I'm really glad its Dick Grayson as the new Batman. It just feels natural. And isn't a slap to the face of fans. This is something that. personally, I am way more than capable of living with.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 12, 2009 12:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by jlavaia on Jun 12, 2009 16:30:25 GMT -5
I'm really glad its Dick Grayson as the new Batman. It just feels natural. And isn't a slap to the face of fans. This is something that. personally, I am way more than capable of living with. its a slap to the face of this fan. its not close to natural and its basically a spit to the face of Chuck Dixon too. Dixon defined Dick Grayson as Nightwing. and Dick as Batman and how he is currently being written just contradicts everything Dixon did with the character. its also alot of very poor research and just throwing away things that were built for years and years. Dick was never meant to be Bruce's replacement. Bruce groomed Cassandra Cain as his replacement. we had 4 years of great stories foreshadowing this.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 12, 2009 17:17:28 GMT -5
I'm really glad its Dick Grayson as the new Batman. It just feels natural. And isn't a slap to the face of fans. This is something that. personally, I am way more than capable of living with. its a slap to the face of this fan. its not close to natural and its basically a spit to the face of Chuck Dixon too. Dixon defined Dick Grayson as Nightwing. and Dick as Batman and how he is currently being written just contradicts everything Dixon did with the character. its also alot of very poor research and just throwing away things that were built for years and years. Dick was never meant to be Bruce's replacement. Bruce groomed Cassandra Cain as his replacement. we had 4 years of great stories foreshadowing this. I don't understand how Cassie could be his replacement considering she's a girl, and Gotham needs a BatMAN. I'm not being sexist or anything, but it's just in the name. Besides, there are some trust issues when it comes to Cassie nowadays. League of Assassins anyone? To alot of people, Dick was always destined to be the new Batman if something happened to Bruce. He was Bruce's first partner, he trained and raised him, and they both lost their parents to crime. It's just natural.
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Post by Eric on Jun 12, 2009 18:47:08 GMT -5
Bruce will always be Batman so it doesnt really matter. He will never be permanently replaced, just like Kal as Superman and Diana as Wonder Woman. These 3 will never be anyone other than who they are. So in the end, it really doesnt matter who is under the cowl for these hiatuses they put bruce on. I wouldnt have minded Tim or Dick, but Dick, at least to me, does seem the more natural choice. Cassandra? Hated her as "Batgirl". Couldnt stand the stories, cant stand the character. THAT, to me, would have been a "slap to the face". As for throwing away years of writing and prep, does that even matter either? Continuity and history means nothing in comic books nowadays. Hasnt for a long time.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 12, 2009 19:04:51 GMT -5
From a logical perspective, they couldn't have Batman be a woman. If "man" weren't in the name, they could easily do this. Of course they could have called Cassie Batwoman in that case, but DC already has one of those. So in order for Cassie to be the follow up to Batman, she would need a new identity. The problem with that is there is no name recognition for this new character. Sure a new character could do well, but not nearly as well as Batman.
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Post by jlavaia on Jun 13, 2009 11:27:27 GMT -5
Bruce's replacement doesnt have to be a man. there doesnt need to be a Batman persay, just someone out there instilling fear and keeping the streets safe. Cassandra is the only character that has the martial arts skills necessary to be Batman. she then had extensive detective training from Tim Drake and then was the solepartner to Batman for an extended period. Bruce's plan wasnt for someone else to wear his costume, just someone else wearing a dark costume and keeping things in order. Cassandra is quick enough that most criminals wouldnt know that she wasnt Batman. while Dick has tremendous fighting skills and is a capable detective, he's no Bruce. and the fact that him becoming Batman goes completely against his character and what he was all about is just wrong. its basically like no research was put into this idea at all. quick shock value, quick cash in on a successful story arc written by far superior writers, and rehashing the same ideas and trying to pass them off as fresh is what Reborn is all about. basically i feel that unnecessary change is pointless. if something isnt broken, dont try to fix it.
and All-Star the trust issues and LOA stuff was when the idea got scrapped and the years before were thrown away. OYL changed the direction that almost every character was going in and started things basically fresh.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 13, 2009 11:56:16 GMT -5
From a story perspective, you are probably right jlavia. But thinking about this from a publishing standpoint, it is WAY more profitable to have a Batman (regardless of who it is) than to not have one. Cassandra wouldn't sell the books the way that Dick can.
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Post by doppelganger on Jun 13, 2009 12:28:47 GMT -5
I like the Batman Reborn storyline, and I agree with both Jlavaia and Dark Nightwing. From a Publishing stand point, it does make allot of make sense, but from a story prospective it doesn't!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 13, 2009 12:29:09 GMT -5
Not to mention Battle of the Cowl showed how much Gotham needs a Batman. Bruce didn't want anyone to continue succeed him and thought Nightwing and Robin would be enough, but he was wrong and didn't take in the effect Batman would have on the criminal underworld. That's why Dick had to become Batman.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 15, 2009 16:53:18 GMT -5
BATMAN AND ROBIN #4 Written by Grant Morrison Art by Philip Tan & Jonathan Glapion Cover by Frank Quitely Variant cover by Philip Tan Meet the Red Hood and his sidekick Scarlet, Gotham City’s vicious new “protectors,” in the start of a new arc! This dangerous duo is out to destroy the very reputation and legacy of the Batman by replacing it altogether. Writer Grant Morrison (FINAL CRISIS) teams with hot new artist Philip Tan (GREEN LANTERN) to bring you what’s sure to be the new Batman and Robin’s biggest challenge yet! Retailers please note: This issue will ship with two covers. For every 25 copies of the Standard Edition (with a cover by Frank Quitely), retailers may order one copy of the Variant Edition (with a cover by Philip Tan). Please see the Previews Order Form for more information. On sale September 16 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US DETECTIVE COMICS #857 Written by Greg Rucka Art by JH Williams III; co-feature art by Cully Hamner Cover by JH Williams III “Elegy” part 4 of 4! Batwoman faces off against Alice in an attempt to stop the villainess from unleashing a toxic death cloud over all of Gotham! But Alice has more up her sleeve than just poison, and Batwoman’s life will never ever be the same again. Plus, The Question’s search for a missing girl leads Renee to a human trafficking ring, and the Question suddenly finds herself in way over her head. On sale September 23 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US BATGIRL #2 Written by Bryan Q. Miller Art by Lee Garbett & Trevor Scott Cover by Phil Noto As the new Batgirl continues her nightly mission, the mystery of her secret identity intensifies. Now she has become the target of both Gotham City’s heroes (who don’t take kindly to a new person wearing the cape and the cowl) and its villains (who want to see the entire Bat-family six feet under)! On sale September 16 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US BATMAN #690 Written by Judd Winick Art by Mark Bagley & Rob Hunter Cover by Tony Daniel Penguin ups the ante in his bid to become Gotham's top crook and enlists a few of Arkham's finest to keep Batman busy. Meanwhile a mysterious presence enters the scene to aid the Penguin – or is there another motive at play? And Two-Face takes a massive leap forward in uncovering one of Batman's greatest secrets. On sale September 2 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US BATMAN: STREETS OF GOTHAM #4 Written by Paul Dini; co-feature written by Marc Andreyko Art by Dustin Nguyen & Derek Fridolfs; co-feature art by Jeremy Haun Cover by Dustin Nguyen With Batman’s recent “Bruce Wayne” problems barely contained, Gotham City’s new Dark Knight must now deal with the most lethal arm of Black Mask’s growing empire – Victor Zsasz! And in the Manhunter co-feature, now that Kate has Jane Doe under arrest, what does Jane have to say about why she killed the former DA? Will she flip on her actual leader, the Black Mask – or will she continue to point the finger at Two-Face? On sale September 16 • 40 pg, FC, $3.99 US GOTHAM CITY SIRENS #4 Written by Paul Dini Art and cover by Guillem March Bruce Wayne has always been considered the quintessential ladies’ man. But he’s never faced ladies quite like this before! Has Gotham City’s playboy prince finally met his match? On sale September 30 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US RED ROBIN #4 Written by Christopher Yost Art by Ramon Bachs Cover by Francis Manapul “The Grail” part 4 of 4! In this explosive conclusion to the debut arc, Red Robin's search leads him to the deserts of the Middle East with the League of Assassins by his side. How many lines will he cross to prove that Bruce Wayne is alive? One journey ends, but a far deadlier one begins as Red Robin learns the truth – although he may not survive to tell anyone, because back in Gotham City, Red Robin faces off with the one man who could stop his quest: Batman! On sale September 9 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US
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Post by darcat on Jun 18, 2009 6:52:36 GMT -5
Hi. I'm new here but I belong to Brotherhood Of The Bat and A Hero Is Born so I was glad to find this great site! I am an artist who does a lot of Batman work. Can someone tell me if it is likely Bruce Wayne will return? It doesn't seem right the way it is now. To me anyway.
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Post by jlavaia on Jun 18, 2009 9:48:48 GMT -5
^ he will definitely be returning. hopefully sooner rather than later though.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 18, 2009 10:18:54 GMT -5
Yeah, you can't keep Bruce down. Apparently, DC is going to try to put an end to their "revolving door of death" after Blackest Night. I wonder how long that will last? Of course, they put in a fail safe to ensure that no matter what happens, Bruce can conceivably come back (and will).
Unlike jlavia, I'm enjoying seeing Dick as Batman. My thoughts on Bruce coming back really soon is that it would lessen his journey back to Gotham. I'm thinking what Bruce is going through right now is probably the most difficult thing he has ever had to overcome. Also, if they brought him back the way that Capt. America was recently brought back, then it just looks like the whole thing was a stunt. So for now, I just want to see this play out.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 18, 2009 12:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by darcat on Jun 18, 2009 12:51:36 GMT -5
My feeling is Dick ain't Bruce and Robin ain't Batman so bring Batman back. Besides I absolutely hate Damian. he is a smart mouthed little creep in my opin ion.
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Post by jlavaia on Jun 18, 2009 17:53:24 GMT -5
^ that sketch is badass. that yours?
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Post by darcat on Jun 19, 2009 8:37:23 GMT -5
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Post by jlavaia on Jun 19, 2009 11:04:00 GMT -5
^ thats great work. i like the Wolverine stuff too. you got talent. you draw Batman big too, as he's supposed to be. he's diesel guy and you get some artists that draw him too thin. i'm going to assume that you inspired quite a bit by Jim Lee for Batman and Wolverine due to the head/face design on Batman and that Wolverine in the yellow/blue. and you nailed Cameron Stewart version of Catwoman, especially in the page 2 pic, Bat+Cat. you got Selina's face good, thats tough to get right. alot of detail. very nice work. you should put some of these up in the fan art section of LOG. thanks for sharing these. they are quite impressive.
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Post by darcat on Jun 19, 2009 12:42:43 GMT -5
Thanks, I will put some of them up. I appreciate your comments.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 22, 2009 19:16:19 GMT -5
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Post by batman1973 on Jun 23, 2009 16:58:12 GMT -5
I'm kinda gettin tired of people just wanting Bruce back right now and not giving Dick a chance. Dick is doing a good job as a stand in, but he isn't Batman. Bruce Wayne is Batman always has been always will be. I've given Dick a chance, and I want to see Bruce back. I could understand more if Bruce was advanced in years and died like his E-2 counterpart, but he wasn't. He was in his prime, and Morrison had no real reason to "kill" him off.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 24, 2009 11:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by darcat on Jun 24, 2009 16:15:36 GMT -5
Maybe they thought this new twist would boost sales and it might for the sake of curiosity. I think it will cause sales to slip unless the real batman comes back soon. It might have helped if the art would have been better.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 24, 2009 19:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 25, 2009 11:50:36 GMT -5
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Post by darcat on Jun 25, 2009 17:56:04 GMT -5
I don't like the skinny looking Batman as much as the muscled up Batman who looks like he could stomp on criminals. I don't like the nerdy looking Damian either. Especially with the bad behavior. Just my thoughts.
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