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Post by Blackgate on Jan 2, 2007 13:58:57 GMT -5
So, while we are waiting for some news from The Dark Knight (which should be very soon) let's discuss what we would like to see down the line from this new franchise. After TDK and the sequal whith two face, what villains would you like to see? would you like to see any of the "bat-team"? If christopher nolan or christian bale leaves, who would you like to see take their places? Bassicaly where do you want the franchise to go?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 2, 2007 14:23:08 GMT -5
Well, I definately want to see Robin down the line, but as a KID. Not the college student thing done by Schumacher.
We had a future villains thread and we really had some good ideas. Realistic villains that could be done are Firefly, Bane (they really need to fix him), Killer Croc (skin condition), Riddler, etc. Villains that probably won't be done are Man-Bat, Clayface, Freeze, etc.
I don't know who can take over when Nolan and Bale leave. To be truthful, I DON'T WANT THEM TO LEAVE! They're just so good. But if Nolan stays on, we won't get Robin. I'm torn.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 2, 2007 16:32:02 GMT -5
^ I agree 100%, All Star
As far as villians are concerned.
The Riddler The Mad Hatter The Ventriloquest & Scarface* Bane* Killer Croc Black Mask
*I think that TDK & it's sequal should involve Moroni & Cobblepot, then the Ventriloquest should get involved seeing as Scarface is a mob boss. & this is also an excellent opportunity for Bane to be brought in as an intelligent hitman.
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Post by Blackgate on Jan 2, 2007 22:08:31 GMT -5
i also want to see robin. i think after the next two films (which i hope take place minutes from eachother) i think some time should pass and robin should be introduced. The interview where Nolan said no to robin could very well change. Huntress is someone i would love to see. I think she could be introduced at any time and would really make a great addition to this series. As for villains i still would love to see Catwoman. I dont think that Catwoman (the movie) ruined the charecter and if portrayed right, could make this series really special. I would love to see her as a thief again. I feel she has never been portrayed right (expept in animation) and would love to see her as a villain and a charecter that is really curious and always interfearing in batman's doings and such. As for director, i doubt nolan will stay on for very long because he is getting to the point where he is known primarley for the batman movies and if he makes to many, could ruin his career. i would like to see a director that does thrillers and horror and could translate that genre into batman, especially as he gets an older and darker personality.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 3, 2007 7:44:01 GMT -5
As for director, i doubt nolan will stay on for very long because he is getting to the point where he is known primarley for the batman movies and if he makes to many, could ruin his career. i would like to see a director that does thrillers and horror and could translate that genre into batman, especially as he gets an older and darker personality. Apart from the criticism he'd get because of his prior attachement to Spider-Man what about Sam Raimi. I mean, look at Darkman that had a huge comic book overtone & I think structurally resembled the comic book films of the time. Raimi's great with dark stuff that involves corrupted characters usually in the grey area as opposed to black & white. as far as Catwoman, I agree. She should be portrayed classically as a thief, particularly a jewel thief. & as far as actress I was thinking Kate Beckinsale.
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Post by dhunter333 on Jan 3, 2007 20:25:31 GMT -5
well i hope bale does at least 4 of these i have read constantly that nolan is planning to do 3 we can get robin afterwards?
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 4, 2007 18:23:15 GMT -5
IF. & this is a huge if. IF anyone can persuae Nolan to bring in he Boy Wonder, he'll probably go with Jason Todd as opposed to Dick Grayson. It'd just fit better with what he's trying to do.
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Post by wayneson on Jan 4, 2007 19:48:22 GMT -5
As for director, i doubt nolan will stay on for very long because he is getting to the point where he is known primarley for the batman movies and if he makes to many, could ruin his career. i would like to see a director that does thrillers and horror and could translate that genre into batman, especially as he gets an older and darker personality. Apart from the criticism he'd get because of his prior attachement to Spider-Man what about Sam Raimi. I mean, look at Darkman that had a huge comic book overtone & I think structurally resembled the comic book films of the time. Raimi's great with dark stuff that involves corrupted characters usually in the grey area as opposed to black & white. I think Peter Jackson (The Frighteners, LOTR), Guillermo Del Toro (Mimic), or R. Rodriguez (Desperado, Sin City) would all be great choices.
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Post by Blackgate on Jan 4, 2007 21:53:05 GMT -5
Robert Rodriguez is a pretty good choice, i liked Sin City a lot and he could do a great Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Again
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jan 5, 2007 21:49:52 GMT -5
It would be awesome if they could get Peter Jackson. However, I don't know that he has any interest in Batman, much less a Batman film.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 5, 2007 23:22:50 GMT -5
Well I actually hope Robin isnt introduced. I think Bale is doing a great job as Bruce Wayne right now and dont want anything to drop down his standards as a solo hero. It's just better this way IMO. I have no doubt Nolan could pull it off, but I just don't think it would fit. As far as replacements, DONT! Except if you're bringing Rachel back in, might wanna consider a look-a-like. But the rest of the casting is superb. The thing that really concerns me is Caine and Freeman's life expectancy. I really hope they cane make the cut for the last one. They are getting rather old. As far as villains go, I'd like to see Nolan's take on Riddler, and Hugo Strange. I think it'd be cool to make the villain go criminally insane gradually, such as Hugo. Something where Batman is so far completely unaware, yet the villain is giving clues, kinda like Prof. Milton in Smallville.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 5, 2007 23:23:53 GMT -5
Robert Rodriguez is a pretty good choice, i liked Sin City a lot and he could do a great Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Strikes Again As long as it isnt voice over or in black and white. Robert Rodriquez could pull it off, but it would certainly not be the same as Nolan's.
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Post by HUSH on Jan 23, 2007 0:12:08 GMT -5
Well, regardless of how many films Nolan does, I don't think it would be a good idea at all to bring in replacement director/actors soon after he and/or Bale & co. are done. Obviously Nolan's won't be the last Batman films ever, and they shouldn't be, but I feel bringing in a new "team" soon after could lead to another Shumacher incident, and Nolan's films should be allowed to live on their own without the stigma of being attached to Batman films ranging from subpar to terrible, like Shumacher's. So whether Nolan does his stated three films, or does some more after his "year one" trilogy, I wouldn't want to see films by a new director and/or actors for a while (at least 7-8 years) after he's finished. Unless it was something completely different, like live-action Batman Beyond or something.
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Post by Blackgate on Jan 23, 2007 19:48:32 GMT -5
i defianlty think Robin, and any other hero should be introduced, after all it is a Batman film, and one thing that makes batman so great is the large selection of great, colorful charecters. Its what makes batman the best all around comic out there. I think that trying to mimic BB in every way, will limit thier creativity and i think Nolan should just go with what he wants and run with it and not worry about other things.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 24, 2007 0:49:34 GMT -5
They should treat The Batman franchise like The James Bond Franchise and just keep pumping out great movies....
Doing it this way, they could bring in tons of villians, and supporting Bat characters and give them the proper justice that they all truly deserve.
I would love to see Christina Ricci take on the role of Catwoman, Kate Beckinsale as Arkham stated isn't a bad choice either.
Other villians that would be great and it could be taken over by another director down the road, and have Killer Croc & Man-Bat star in a sci-fi horror realistic film, perhaps get Chris Carter (X-Files) to take a crack at directing
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Post by Blackgate on Jan 24, 2007 13:24:16 GMT -5
i defiantly like that idea, the problem is if one movie tanks WB sill sut the cord most likely.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 24, 2007 17:53:36 GMT -5
i defiantly like that idea, the problem is if one movie tanks WB sill sut the cord most likely. Thanks, and I think you are right, Warner Brothers doesn't really take risks, but with a proven franchise like Batman & Superman you think they(WB) would take the risk and do as many great films as possible. Batman has been around since the late 30's and just like James Bond if done right it could be a great ride...
Fingers Crossed for more than a trilogy of Bat-Films
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Post by Blackgate on Jan 24, 2007 17:58:20 GMT -5
well they are still a little weary of what happned with B&R
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 24, 2007 19:35:23 GMT -5
They should treat The Batman franchise like The James Bond Franchise and just keep pumping out great movies....
Doing it this way, they could bring in tons of villians, and supporting Bat characters and give them the proper justice that they all truly deserve.
Other villians that would be great and it could be taken over by another director down the road, and have Killer Croc & Man-Bat star in a sci-fi horror realistic film, perhaps get Chris Carter (X-Files) to take a crack at directing I like how your thinking Techno, but still a little weary of the Schumacher Incident. But a film series like James Bond would be perfect for Batman. Hell, he pretty much is the James Bond of the comic world.
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Post by HUSH on Jan 24, 2007 22:52:11 GMT -5
I would like to see Selina Kyle, with or without costume, as a love interest during the first 3 movies. They insist on having a love interest every movie, so they might as well make it an important character from the comics. Catwoman, if she were to show up, would have to be reimagined, especially to have her be radically different and apart from the Halle Berry travesty...I am sure that Nolan's up to the task, though. Please, though, make her a rich socialite Selina Kyle instead of a Miller prostitute Selina Kyle. I don't have a particular problem with that incarnation, but I just prefer the character as she appeared in The Long Halloween, B:TAS, etc.
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Post by HUSH on Jan 24, 2007 23:00:06 GMT -5
And I don't suppose I'd mind having a Bond-like Batman franchise, with different directors coming in every few films to give their take. I'd just personally prefer them to be unconnected, i.e. Nolan's series of films would not be in the same continuity as director #2's, whose films would be further separated from director #3's, and so forth. I think this would be the best way to give this series of Batman films longevity and differentiate it from the Burton-Schumacher franchise. The films could get bogged down pretty quick if every director followed the guy before him. Also, if one didn't like director #2's films, it wouldn't impede on their enjoyment of Nolan's, or vice versa.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jan 24, 2007 23:35:02 GMT -5
I don't know. I would like for there to be a continuity between any sequels. That is the way the comics were done and they turned out just fine. Then again, they do retcon every other issue so I don't really care either way.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jan 25, 2007 11:22:53 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Yeah I would love loads of hints and refreances to out of the comic. The bat suit should look really great being more fabricy and closer to the comic in being sleeker,and with the hint of building the bat-cave of the last movie shold be great a cross between a Tim Sale/Jim Lee cave would look great.[/glow]
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 25, 2007 11:44:34 GMT -5
They should treat The Batman franchise like The James Bond Franchise and just keep pumping out great movies....
Doing it this way, they could bring in tons of villians, and supporting Bat characters and give them the proper justice that they all truly deserve.
Other villians that would be great and it could be taken over by another director down the road, and have Killer Croc & Man-Bat star in a sci-fi horror realistic film, perhaps get Chris Carter (X-Files) to take a crack at directing I like how your thinking Techno, but still a little weary of the Schumacher Incident. But a film series like James Bond would be perfect for Batman. Hell, he pretty much is the James Bond of the comic world. Thank You BatFan, and it's like that old saying that goes something like One Bad Kid can ruin it for the rest of us, and that is exactly what Batman & Robin did, it's ruined any potential for a long lasting franchise run D*MN YOU SCHUMACHER! ! ! !
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jan 25, 2007 11:52:14 GMT -5
I like how your thinking Techno, but still a little weary of the Schumacher Incident. But a film series like James Bond would be perfect for Batman. Hell, he pretty much is the James Bond of the comic world. Thank You BatFan, and it's like that old saying that goes something like One Bad Kid can ruin it for the rest of us, and that is exactly what Batman & Robin did, it's ruined any potential for a long lasting franchise run D*MN YOU SCHUMACHER! ! ! ! # [glow=red,2,300] I think that Begins ahd more than fixed it,I eam nw had to go threw all those rubbish Bond films films the middle ones to get to the good new ones.
I thnk the hardest thing is getting the public to understand that When watching Begins the other Bat films dont exist when watching the new one,that Beings is what Batman films were ment to be (like the comics)And I think that the second Nolan film shoudl cement Batsd back in the good film book;s and let it run for a long long time.[/glow]
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 25, 2007 12:46:23 GMT -5
I thnk the hardest thing is getting the public to understand that When watching Begins the other Bat films dont exist when watching the new one,that Beings is what Batman films were ment to be (like the comics)And I think that the second Nolan film shoudl cement Batsd back in the good film book;s and let it run for a long long time. That is definately the problem, I lent my Batman Begins DVD to a buddy of mine the other day, and when talking to him he was all like does this one take place after Batman & Robin? Is Micheal Keaton still playing Batman? So some people out there don't even realize what is taking place here with the new era of Batman, so I explained to him that it's a restart film, pretty much done the right way.
And another thing that is funny and it's just not my buddy, but alot of people out there still think that Micheal Keaton is still attached to the Batman films, and when I mention Christian Bale, they are like really? When did that happen? It's a funny world out there. Us as Bat-Fans must think these people are crazy or not up with what's going on, but the general public are not up to date, and hopefully with a second film, like you have mentioned will cement Batman again!
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 25, 2007 12:59:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] The bat suit should look really great being more fabricy and closer to the comic in being sleeker[/glow] I totally agree with this, I think a movie that really nailed the look of what Bats suit should look like is Batman Dead End, especially the utility belt being Black. Here is a picture:
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Post by Blackgate on Jan 25, 2007 13:04:59 GMT -5
I would like to see Selina Kyle, with or without costume, as a love interest during the first 3 movies. They insist on having a love interest every movie, so they might as well make it an important character from the comics. Catwoman, if she were to show up, would have to be reimagined, especially to have her be radically different and apart from the Halle Berry travesty...I am sure that Nolan's up to the task, though. Please, though, make her a rich socialite Selina Kyle instead of a Miller prostitute Selina Kyle. I don't have a particular problem with that incarnation, but I just prefer the character as she appeared in The Long Halloween, B:TAS, etc. Ive always pushed for Selina in this way. I think she should be an Animal Activist, kinda like in BTAS, but defiantly like The Long Halloween. I think she should appear in like every movie either as Selina or Catwoman. She should even end the series like in Birds of Prey were she gets shot and batman disapears. Well that my two cents on the subject
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 25, 2007 13:12:00 GMT -5
I would like to see Selina Kyle, with or without costume, as a love interest during the first 3 movies. They insist on having a love interest every movie, so they might as well make it an important character from the comics. Catwoman, if she were to show up, would have to be reimagined, especially to have her be radically different and apart from the Halle Berry travesty...I am sure that Nolan's up to the task, though. Please, though, make her a rich socialite Selina Kyle instead of a Miller prostitute Selina Kyle. I don't have a particular problem with that incarnation, but I just prefer the character as she appeared in The Long Halloween, B:TAS, etc. Ive always pushed for Selina in this way. I think she should be an Animal Activist, kinda like in BTAS, but defiantly like The Long Halloween. I think she should appear in like every movie either as Selina or Catwoman. She should even end the series like in Birds of Prey were she gets shot and batman disapears. Well that my two cents on the subject I agree with both of you and feel as though Selina is an important part in Batman's lore, and she should be making appearences in each of these movies. Like Hush said if they insist on having love interests why not Selina, and stop making one movie stands with them. Superman has his Lois, so why shouldn't Batman have his Selina/Catwoman? And definately NO PROSTITUTE Selina, I am not a huge fan of that version. But like you Blackgate I like how she was portrayed in Batman T.A.S. That makes the most sense, especially for big hollywood. And I can still see Christina Ricci in this role
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jan 25, 2007 13:53:55 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]They should have selina like she is in Catwoman :when in rome! ;D[/glow]
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