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Post by Jack-Ups on Feb 16, 2006 6:46:38 GMT -5
Should rachel get killed in the next Batman film.It would show the audience how Batman life works.And youve got the greatest murderer to do ,we all know Joker is in the next one !!!!
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Post by Batlaw on Feb 16, 2006 17:23:58 GMT -5
I wouldnt say I really care, but I'm going to vote yes... because A- I think she served her purpose in Begins and didnt find her entirely Nec. or believable in the first place... and B- because I would rather if she returns, that they put her character to use and C- because I would HATE it (as I do) when a character just "dissapears".
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 16, 2006 19:11:53 GMT -5
Hmm, if Joker killed her, it would add on to Joker's reputation and Batman to keep on fighting for more reasons besides his parents deaths. I think Joker should either kill her (so Tom Cruise doesn't steal anymore of Batman's thunder) or Jason Todd (if he was that Narrows Kid).
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Post by BatmAngelus on Feb 16, 2006 19:31:55 GMT -5
It depends on how it's done.
There are a lot of ways it can be done. The popular idea is, indeed, having the Joker kill her off. It has to be done well, though, or else it'll come across as being an easy way out of getting rid of her. Even moreso if it takes place between films or at the very beginning. I guess I could see it done well under Nolan's direction.
If she returns, I just want to see the character developed to a certain extent to give us more closure. We see her awkward relationship with Bruce. We see her introduce Bruce, or Batman, to Dent (if they don't go down the BTAS angle as having them already as friends). We see her still working hard in Gotham, but with a braver D.A. as her boss. If Joker kills her off after that, then so be it, as long as there's an appropriate reason (and better than "She works in the D.A.'s office.")
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 16, 2006 19:58:02 GMT -5
I think Bruce and Dent should already know each other from Princeton. And it turns out that if Dent and her are dating.
I don't really see her getting killed though. If anyone should get killed, it should be Jason Todd if he's that Narrows kid.
While we're on the subject of what'd we like to see in the sequel, I think Joker should kidnap him and cause the accident, and later, he kills Jason, who Batman meets after catching him trying to steal the tires from the Batmobile. After Bats brings Joker in, he goes to visit Harvey in the hospital, only to find that he's gone and had killed three doctors on the way out. And the police have a composite sketch of "Two-Face."
Also, we should have a reference to the circus with the Flying Graysons, to set up the stage for Robin in the next movie. Also, Harvey should meet Solomon Grundy in the sewers, who he has become his muscle.
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Post by J-Man on Feb 16, 2006 20:40:07 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I don't like forced deaths. I also didn't mind Rachel Dawes. What I did mind were the obnoxious publicity stunts TomKat did last June.
Thankfully, since Rachel is an entirely original character, Nolan and Goyer can do anything they want with her without ruining the film series or Batman continuity. It's not like other comic book movies (possibly X3) where the director is killing off a well known and liked character for the extra dramatic factor. Dawes isn't well known and she's not liked that much, so I do not care either way, as long as she is either kept on in reason or killed off with reason.[/shadow]
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Feb 17, 2006 0:01:59 GMT -5
I would HATE it (as I do) when a character just "dissapears". I bet Godfather III really pissed you off. Rachel, I really don't care about enough to even vote. Live or die, it is the same to me.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Feb 17, 2006 7:19:10 GMT -5
Well ,we've got a common thread here that we really dont mind If rachel dies, or not! I dont think they should introduce to many villains in the next film as it will confuse viewers.And I think Nolan has already said that he proberly not going to ever get round to do Robin.Which I think is good,as we still need to establish Batma as a loner and a detective!
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Post by Wayne Corp on Feb 17, 2006 10:16:38 GMT -5
what is all this talk of jason todd? do you guys really want nolan and company to make the biggest and first mistake that was previously made? do you want it rushed that much? you dont want dick grayson mentioned? skip right to joker killing todd? it does not make any sence to me.
IMO taking it slow and doing it right will keep it true to comic book form and prevent, at the very least, my head from exploding!
If joker should kill anyone "close" to home then rachel is the logical choice. after all, jokker will not die if they are doing the movie correctly and will return many times before he has to kill jason todd. after all he has to give dick grayson some hell too. lol
sorry for the rant. i have looked at this series very uniquely. i feel that rachel should either be killed by the joker to show that batman doesnt let women close to him because they are in danger (he would think that way no matter what the reason she was killed) or i think that with some very intricate writing they should make her talia. they mentioned a mother but no father!!!!!!!
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Post by The Dark Knight on Feb 17, 2006 17:41:59 GMT -5
Like what everyone else says, I dont care, but I also guess it doesnt matter, since it really isnt our decision. Ive heard before that she wont appear in the sequels but I may be wrong.
I doubt she will be killed in the second movie. Especially by Joker. Unless Nolan can create something dark and sinister out of that, the plot would be pretty cliche. Killing a lover and going out for revenge. It seems to be used a lot. But I honestly dont care.
Joker would be the logical one to kil Rachel Dawes though. I havent read any of these other posts but I keep hearing Robin. I KNOW he wont be in the sequel or possibly the third sequel. It's Batman Begins. Batman's just begun and has no time for a new partner just yet.
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 17, 2006 18:45:42 GMT -5
Maybe Joker will turn Rachael into Harley Quinn. Just kidding. You guys know Robin is going to have appear sometime in this new franchise. If not in the third, at least the fourth.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Feb 17, 2006 18:53:03 GMT -5
That I would be happy with the fourth will do!
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Feb 17, 2006 23:24:53 GMT -5
Maybe Joker will turn Rachael into Harley Quinn. Just kidding. I said that months ago on a different thread.
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Post by /\/\att on Feb 18, 2006 8:46:51 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion either way..her character doesn't bring much to the film...and I don't particularly care for the way that Katie and Tom Cruise stole the spotlight during promotion of Begins with their own ridiculousness.....so sure, kill 'er off. Joker has to kill someone, right?
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Post by Faithfulbutler on Feb 19, 2006 22:50:25 GMT -5
Amen to that!
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 19, 2006 23:24:53 GMT -5
It would show some of the fans who don't really know Joker the dake side of him besides his insane funny side. Go ahead, kill her! Blow her brains out Joker!
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Post by Jack-Ups on Feb 20, 2006 11:16:32 GMT -5
lol, i personally would mind if she got killed in teh next one,but I still think they should of introduced Harvey in begins Just like Year One did!
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Post by enchantaurora on Feb 22, 2006 20:05:08 GMT -5
Because she didn't really have a specified purpose I think she should be killed off by the Joker. She may not have really presented a problem now, but she's a loose end and may eventually become a hinderance if it isn't tied up.
But like someone else said it shouldn't be between movies or at the beginning of the next one. That would be entirely forced and empty.
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Post by enchantaurora on Feb 26, 2006 17:04:49 GMT -5
a fleeting idea I had this morning: Rachel Dawse would make a perfect Phantasm
I don't think that that's something that Nolan and co. are considering but it just occured to me that if something major happened (with the Joker perhaps?), it could push Rachel into the world of caped crusaders.
However that would complicate the movie exponentially and if that were to happen it would have to happen in the next movie.
Like I said I don't think that that's something Nolan and co. are considering but it was just an interesting thought.
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Post by the_killing_joke on Mar 1, 2006 4:08:09 GMT -5
I would say yes. The Joker should kill her. Although it sems lame to have her killed "off-screen" as it were, it would allow for a grim description of her death without actually showing it thus keeping the tone dark but still being reasonably okay for the younger audience that WB are still trying to include to keep toy sales up. It would also serve as motivation for Batman and deepen the nature of Batman and The Joker's opposition towards each other. I think Harvey Dent should already be the DA at the start of the film. It does not need any long winded explanations. He is D.A, he is an old friend of Bruce's and because of the murder of Rachael, (his colleague, and maybe it could be alluded to she was more than that to him) he is a determined ally to Batman (and Gordon) One other thing I would like to see, maybe as a quick set piece to open the film is Batman recapturing The Scarecrow. Maybe that would also be a great way to slot in a Dr Quinzel cameo. I can't wait to see what they do. I am sure it will be great and we will all be pleased
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Post by JokerFC on Mar 1, 2006 8:11:46 GMT -5
oh yes Kill her.it would be a great way to start the feud between Bats and Joker-to be done right it has to be personal on many levels.I think if you showed it it wouldnt accomp,lish as much as what could be SAID he done to her-the movie has limits for violence-but having Gordon tell Btas exactly what happened to her could be great. either way I could do without "Carboard Kate"harping on about Scientology in the run up to BB2
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Post by MuksC on Mar 5, 2006 9:35:16 GMT -5
i think the Rachel character would have been more tolerable if she had been played by a better actor. Katie simply wasn't believable, and not very good IMO.
a better actor may have made the character better, and influenced my decision.
as it stands, i don't want *Katie* in the next film, although if rachel had been played by a better actor, i may have wanted her to be in the next film(s).
so if they keep Katie, then i would like her to actually be in the film, and then be killed. if she has to die, i want to see it, and it not be "off-screen" or just talked about.
IMO katie simply doesn't make a believable couple with Bale. he looks older, even when he's supposed to be 21/22, whereas she always looks 16, even when she's meant to be 30.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Apr 1, 2006 2:26:11 GMT -5
I personally think that Katie did a good job with the exeption of a few lines. Although, she should definatly die in #2. It HAS to have some extra trajedy
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Post by The Dark Knight on Apr 1, 2006 10:03:33 GMT -5
Off screen wouldnt seem very believable and I doubt Nolan would do something like that. I hope she will be back in the sequel however, but bringing out a big purpose in the movie, doesnt have to necessarily be death though.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Apr 1, 2006 18:52:14 GMT -5
After Filtch getting killed & her not liking the Batman persona of Bruce she could leave town. I don't know. Possibly
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Post by The Dark Knight on Apr 1, 2006 22:04:56 GMT -5
Actually thats not too bad of an approach arkhaminmate, although she did mention that she wanted to wait for him to return to his oldself.
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Post by All Star Batman on Apr 2, 2006 0:09:58 GMT -5
Maybe if she heard that Batman hasn't been seen in awhile, she'll think that Bruce quit and come back to him.
Like this will happen.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Apr 2, 2006 21:14:00 GMT -5
Well she should at least cast back to do something
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Post by MauledVader on Apr 2, 2006 22:18:22 GMT -5
She'll die 'cos she knows who Batman is!... ...can't have that loose end open too long!... ...and then Bruce will contact Harvey and he will come and take her place. Katie served her purpose in "Begins" and I really didn't mind her...at least she wasn't shrieking every line a la Kim Basinger!...but I don't see what else her character can contribute now... ...except Joker-bait!
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Post by Jack-Ups on Apr 28, 2006 17:16:35 GMT -5
lol good one!
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