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Post by J-Man on Jul 31, 2006 13:34:58 GMT -5
BOF has reported that Ledger is not a lock for the Joker role (thank the maker someone is listening) Here's an excerpt from their post "As you have long suspected, the two main villains in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel will be The Joker and The Penquin. I can confirm (as I did a few weeks ago) that while an offer has been made to Heath Ledger, Ledger has not signed any deal, and is reluctant to do so (at the moment.) Ledger is not a lock. It seems Nolan has been listening to you guys when it comes to casting his other villain, however. I can confirm that an offer has been made to Phillip Seymour Hoffman for the role. Yet Hoffman has indicated that he may not get involved in the sequel. Also, industry reaction to the Ledger 'leak' has been much like the fans: A fair bit of head scratching, and a generally tepid response. " [shadow=purple,left,300]Well I do hope we get a definite answer soon, regardless of who gets cast. I know the offer to Philip Seymour Hoffman was made a while ago, and he is filming two other projects right now, so he might turn down the role if it interferes with his more serious projects.
From what I can tell, fan reaction to Ledger's casting is very mixed. Of course, the overall feeling I've gotten is 'Let's see what happens' from almost every board I've checked, including SuperheroHype. If Hoffman or Legder are unable to star in the sequel, I just hope Nolan has some descent second choices.[/shadow]
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 31, 2006 13:41:30 GMT -5
actually if he hadnt been cast as Scarecrow my fellow Irishman Cillian Murphy would have been a good Joker. you see IMO the Joker is Bats 1# villian-no competition whatsoever.as far as Im concerned every other villain is B-list in Bats Rogues thats why the Joker is the least malleable of all the Bat characters.I think about this at least once a day hoping they get him right-because despite what many say Burton got Joker right so I hope Nolan follows suit.I do however have every confidence in him
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 31, 2006 13:48:05 GMT -5
I think both of those actors would be good for the roles. I think that if Phillip Seymor Hoffman was really the right man for the role, Nolan would make the scheduling work. and just to show you guys how rumors and fan input van help, nicole kidman was just cast in his dark materials after years of fans wanting her to play the role of ms. coulter. so you never know what extent studios will go to to get the right person to play the role
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 31, 2006 21:12:28 GMT -5
actually if he hadnt been cast as Scarecrow my fellow Irishman Cillian Murphy would have been a good Joker. I agree with you on that one. Cillian has incredible acting range. It is almost a shame that he can't be Joker.
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Post by vishman007 on Jul 31, 2006 21:14:46 GMT -5
BOF says Ledger is confirmed on as Joker in the movie called The Dark Knight!!
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 1, 2006 1:17:09 GMT -5
Although I have tremendous faith in Nolan, I'm still a tad scepticall about Heath Ledger. I just have trouble seeing him as a dark & disturbing incarnation of The Joker.
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Post by lightyear on Aug 1, 2006 3:23:15 GMT -5
Although I have tremendous faith in Nolan, I'm still a tad scepticall about Heath Ledger. I just have trouble seeing him as a dark & disturbing incarnation of The Joker. I completely agree. While excited about the project moving forward I am concerned about how it may turn out. Hopefully Nolan will silence us skeptics when the film is actually released.
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Post by ldynwaitin on Aug 1, 2006 6:51:01 GMT -5
Although I have tremendous faith in Nolan, I'm still a tad scepticall about Heath Ledger. I just have trouble seeing him as a dark & disturbing incarnation of The Joker. I'm in your camp with this thought. When I think of the Joker, Heath Ledger just doesn't come to mind. When Jack Nicholson; as the Joker, was standing on top of the building, taunting Batman as he wiggled and laughed at him, THAT to me was the Joker! Physically as well as verbally. I just can't see that come out with Heath Ledger's acting. Seeing a spoiler that the Joker will not be like Nicholson's makes me worried, because Jack just nailed the Joker that we all know and love, (or is that hate?) . I'm not liking the idea but realize that wittle ol' me ain't gonna change a high fallooten Hollywood big time director. So I'll be sitting in 'the wait and see' camp. I know I'll have lots of company here! (Hi guys, being from Texas got lots of beer and bar-B-que) Just hope I'll be coming out of here with a smile and an "I told you so" from the 'SUPER IDEA' camp.
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Post by darkclaw on Aug 1, 2006 11:20:43 GMT -5
I love the Name of the new flick and I'm sure all who have read my posts here knows my feeling of Heath "wet fish" Ledger. I challenge Chris Nolan to silence all of us nay sayers and make Heath one of the best film versions of the Joker. (Romero is my favorite) Either way I'll be there on a Thursday in 2008 waiting for the Midnight showing with a big tub of popcorn covered in artificially flavored buttered grease!!!
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 1, 2006 11:23:33 GMT -5
Although I have tremendous faith in Nolan, I'm still a tad scepticall about Heath Ledger. I just have trouble seeing him as a dark & disturbing incarnation of The Joker. . When Jack Nicholson; as the Joker, was standing on top of the building, taunting Batman as he wiggled and laughed at him, THAT to me was the Joker! Physically as well as verbally. I just can't see that come out with Heath Ledger's acting. Seeing a spoiler that the Joker will not be like Nicholson's makes me worried, because Jack just nailed the Joker that we all know and love, (or is that hate?) . . Oh its love 8-)two face and the others have their fans too but EVERYONE knows in the back of their minds who the 1# Bat Villian is.........
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 1, 2006 14:02:59 GMT -5
So I'll be sitting in 'the wait and see' camp. I know I'll have lots of company here! (Hi guys, being from Texas got lots of beer and bar-B-que) Just hope I'll be coming out of here with a smile and an "I told you so" from the 'SUPER IDEA' camp. My thoughts exactly. Although without the beer. However the skeptics will probably be silenced midway through shooting, when we catch a first glimpse of the character & a glimpse of Heath's acting.
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Post by Wayne Corp on Aug 1, 2006 16:23:04 GMT -5
In my honest opinion, Mr. Nickolson did not nail the joker. I am not saying he did a bad job but in my eyes all he did was a darker version of Cesar Romero's Joker, which was not bad either. In my opinion, the joker that we have seen in the killing joke, in hush even, he was a darker and more insane villian. I like the joker for being insane, past the breaking point if you will.
not to offend anyone, just my thoughts. tell me if you think i am wrong, right or indifferent.
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Post by Batlaw on Aug 1, 2006 16:56:33 GMT -5
In my honest opinion, Mr. Nickolson did not nail the joker. I am not saying he did a bad job Youre not alone Sir. Always been my thoughts exactly. Jack was funny and charismatic and likeable. Not bad or uninteresting / unenjoyable at all, but IMO that is partailly why he did not embody the Joker. Joker should not be genuinely funny and certainly not likeable IMO. If he should actually make you laugh, it should be repressed or "guilty" laughter. You should almost feel bad for laughing... like hearing an off color joke or something ultimately in poor taste. The Joker only looks like a clown. Part of his "power" comes from that disarming appearance coupled with the true insanity and un-clown like mentality underneath.
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 1, 2006 16:58:56 GMT -5
In my honest opinion, Mr. Nickolson did not nail the joker. I am not saying he did a bad job but in my eyes all he did was a darker version of Cesar Romero's Joker, which was not bad either. In my opinion, the joker that we have seen in the killing joke, in hush even, he was a darker and more insane villian. I like the joker for being insane, past the breaking point if you will. not to offend anyone, just my thoughts. tell me if you think i am wrong, right or indifferent. No I think you're right. Nicholson didn't really nail that insane psychotic mass murderer that we all know him as. Hopefully Nolan will give us that Joker.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Aug 1, 2006 17:15:44 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] I dont really mind at the moment as long as the actor gets it right! But Man I would lve to see a classic joker gun with a flag that pops and says bang! [/glow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 1, 2006 22:04:49 GMT -5
In my honest opinion, Mr. Nickolson did not nail the joker. I am not saying he did a bad job but in my eyes all he did was a darker version of Cesar Romero's Joker, which was not bad either. In my opinion, the joker that we have seen in the killing joke, in hush even, he was a darker and more insane villian. I like the joker for being insane, past the breaking point if you will. not to offend anyone, just my thoughts. tell me if you think i am wrong, right or indifferent. No I think you're right. Nicholson didn't really nail that insane psychotic mass murderer that we all know him as. Hopefully Nolan will give us that Joker. I agree with all of you as well. I think that Jack was just a dark incarnation of Ceasar. I hope that Nolan will give us what we can all see as the insane, dark, cunning, frightening Joker. & yes, I do hope we see a gun that has a BANG! flag
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Post by seattlewa4ever on Aug 2, 2006 1:12:02 GMT -5
Heath Ledger will be a great Joker, just like Christian Bale is a great Batman. I trust Mr. Nolan.
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Post by catfanbogota on Aug 2, 2006 3:27:54 GMT -5
I don't have much of an opinion, one way or the other. As long as Heath Ledger can do the job, then I'll be glad!
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Post by RJ on Aug 2, 2006 8:01:24 GMT -5
Heath Ledger will be a great Joker, just like Christian Bale is a great Batman. I trust Mr. Nolan. I'm putting a lot of trust into Christopher Nolan too. I think he's a brilliant director, who has a vision for Batman, and feels strongly that Heath Ledger will do the character of the Joker justice.
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Post by ldynwaitin on Aug 2, 2006 10:51:02 GMT -5
I guess why I said Jack nailed the Joker, is that I compared him to the comic books I grew up with. (Showing my age, I started reading comic books in the later 60's. LOL, did you know I was a baby prodigy...{{{cough}}} really!) In the comic books I read the Joker was not as dark as the modern comic books. But then that was when I used to pay .10 cents for a book that was 40 pages. Back then the Joker was what his name implied. So to me Jack just personified the Joker I grew up with. Now in the 21st century I guess the super heroes have to reflect the times. So I guess darkness and EVIL is more the norm. I'll be happy if they find a way to marry the two. Insane crazyness of a Joker that we all know and love. With a bit of dark humor
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Post by ocre on Aug 3, 2006 18:50:03 GMT -5
I was pretty disapointed with Jack Nicholson's chaaracter. The actor was way too old and it made him more goofy looking than lethal like he should have been. That's why I think Tim Burton's Batman Returns suceeded in portraying Catwoman and Penguin afterwards.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 4, 2006 1:06:01 GMT -5
. I was pretty disapointed with Jack Nicholson's chaaracter. The actor was way too old and it made him more goofy looking than lethal like he should have been. That's why I think Tim Burton's Batman Returns suceeded in portraying Catwoman and Penguin afterwards. I agree that Jack was a tad old. But I don't think it made the Joker goofy. I loved Jack's performance in Batman. But, to each is own. Anways, I was just thinking about Heath Ledger & the modern look of the Joker. Although I don't think Nolan will pattern the look strictly off of the modern Joker, he would look great, with that basic look.
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Post by Severen on Aug 4, 2006 13:25:49 GMT -5
I loved Jack's Joker, but he is, to me personally, nowhere near the definitive Joker, he just happened to be the right Joker for that particular film, just as Romero was the right Joker (painted 'tache and all) for the old 60's series. I love both of these guys, I love their interpretations of the character in the context of the show/film they were in, but even so niether of these guys are my Joker, niether of them quite mesh with my vision of what and who this character is.
My Joker is The Joker of stuff like The Killing Joke, The Laughing Fish and Devil's Advocate. The closest anyone has come to that so far is Hamill's Joker from his various animated appearances (in my mind thus far the definitive non comicbook Joker). But hey, truth is even a lot of writers don't nail in the comics what my personal vision of The Joker is, sometimes don't even come close in my mind. But what's really important isn't in delivering to me my personal perfect Joker (that would be a dream come true, but unlikely), no, the most important thing is delivering a Joker that I can believe in within the context of the upcoming film and it's established universe. It doesn't have to be my Joker, but it does have to be a Joker that works. I sincerely hope that's what we get, but Ledger's casting does worry me. Still, we'll see.
Sev.
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Post by ocre on Aug 5, 2006 0:32:10 GMT -5
If I had been old enough to care about anything else than lill cars, Nintendo and the Ninja Turtles in 1988 (I was 5) I would have been concerned with the announcement of Jack Nicholson portraying the Joker in the upcoming movie. Just like casting Carey as the Riddler and the Guv'nor as Mr Freeze - you have come to expect the grimaces and motions that these actors were going to come with within their interpretation. To me, that's a bad thing. The good thing is I was very surprised by Heath Ledger (and Jack Gyllenhaal) in Brokeback Mountain. They both did justice to their characters and neither persona came hovering above to distract moviegoers from the plot. Same thing could aply to Michelle Pfeiffer in 1992 - no one really knew how she was going to address the Catwoman character when she picked it up from Madame Benning - and in my mind she is the only actor that transparently disapeared behind her character in all the 4 movies prior to BB. Straight to the point, to me things are looking up for Heath Ledger as the Joker. I think Heath has that capacity to totally disapear behind the Joker - it's up to Nolan to model him as the Joker. Just like clay and hands.
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Post by jms17 on Aug 5, 2006 8:26:31 GMT -5
:oWOW! If most of you had jobs in the film industry,we'd only see maybe 5 films per year.I've been a comic fan all my life and all I ever wanted, was to see my favorites on the big screen.I've been pleasantly surprised,I've been disapointed.Even the best of comic films have had their share of "mistakes","interpetations"with splashes of "creative license"We as fans and experts of the charcters we love are never going to see a "perfect"film ever done.There's just not enough of us to justify the cost of such a film.Even if we promised to go 10 times each and buy 5 copies of the DVD it would never pay for it(and make no mistake -it's ALL about the Benjamin's) .But come on give credit where credit is due-Chris Nolan did a better job than most thought we would see when he was announced.Christian Bale was a much better Batman than anyone foresaw.Christopher "who" was the definitive Superman 30 years ago.Mr Nolan should have earned enough of our trust that if he thinks Ledger is the Joker-GO FOR IT !! See ya in June '08 ! [glow=red,2,300]P.S.If the Joker does pull a gun on Rachel and fires I can only hope that Tom Cruise jumps in and takes the bullet for her........and US[/glow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 5, 2006 9:00:09 GMT -5
:oWOW! If most of you had jobs in the film industry,we'd only see maybe 5 films per year.I've been a comic fan all my life and all I ever wanted, was to see my favorites on the big screen.I've been pleasantly surprised,I've been disapointed.Even the best of comic films have had their share of "mistakes","interpetations"with splashes of "creative license"We as fans and experts of the charcters we love are never going to see a "perfect"film ever done.There's just not enough of us to justify the cost of such a film.Even if we promised to go 10 times each and buy 5 copies of the DVD it would never pay for it(and make no mistake -it's ALL about the Benjamin's) .But come on give credit where credit is due-Chris Nolan did a better job than most thought we would see when he was announced.Christian Bale was a much better Batman than anyone foresaw.Christopher "who" was the definitive Superman 30 years ago.Mr Nolan should have earned enough of our trust that if he thinks Ledger is the Joker-GO FOR IT !! See ya in June '08 ! [glow=red,2,300]P.S.If the Joker does pull a gun on Rachel and fires I can only hope that Tom Cruise jumps in and takes the bullet for her........and US[/glow] I get your point, but I'm not quite understanding what the whole Chris Reeves was the defining Superman 30 years ago, has to do with the rest of it.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Aug 5, 2006 9:25:04 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] He is saying that Mr.Reeve was the only person peole could think of for Superman! [/glow]
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 5, 2006 11:58:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]P.S.If the Joker does pull a gun on Rachel and fires I can only hope that Tom Cruise jumps in and takes the bullet for her........and US[/glow] Why not shoot them both?
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Post by crazyhatter on Aug 5, 2006 18:55:48 GMT -5
Christian Bale was a much better Batman than anyone foresaw. Um... I wanted Christian Bale to be Batman back when they were talking about doing the Year One Batman. Many people on the internet wanted him as Batman and believed he could pull the character off. I can't speak for everyone but I knew he would be better then the man who made Batman cool again, Michael Keaton.
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Post by ocre on Aug 6, 2006 0:22:25 GMT -5
Well, I do think that the BB's casting was A+. I mean, who wouldn't have any doubts on Jonathan The Scarecrow Crane being played by a young twenty something 28 days later dude ? In the end, what it matters is not only my apreciation but the fact that even though Ra's was the main vilain - he stole the show away from him. A major part of the fans want to see the Scarecrow back in TDK - even for one scene... Better yet, after I lashed out at the Batman of 1989 yesterday I went out of my way, pulled the DVD of it's case and watched it over. The movie is still as bad as I remembered it but - I have to say I was a lill harsh on Jack's case. The guy really drove the character as well as he could and he even made me believe to be the Joker. But the Joker and the Gotham city of the 1st Tim Burton flick is more reminiscent of the BTAS version than anything I've seen - and that's not a compliment. Goofy, full of gimmicks (punch glove in the TV, hand buzzers... thats baby-ish). I just felt I was watching a bad Batman the Animated Serie episode (Christmas with the Joker or The Creeper anybody ?) I like The Batman version way better. And besides, the 1989 Batman doesn't even feel like a Tim Burton movie. At least that would ve been special... The only worthy actor in that flick is Michael Gough and Jack Nicholson - I just cry of pitty seing Kim Bassinger, Michael Keaton and the Carl Grissom actor try to act their part - notwithstanding Bob, Joker's #1 guy No... but in the end, we got Batman Returns wich - to me is as good as Batman Begins. Lemme predict something here - we'll never ever see another Catwoman as good as we got in Batman Return. Michelle Pfeiffer nailed it - she's the quintessential Catwoman.
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