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Post by vishman007 on Jun 20, 2005 8:46:23 GMT -5
It was a great movie. Everyone did their parts perfectly. And the scarecrow fear effects were awesome. One thing that was not so good was the music. It supplemented the movie just fine, but it didnt stand out as the music did in the Burton movies.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 20, 2005 8:59:43 GMT -5
It was a great movie. Everyone did their parts perfectly. And the scarecrow fear effects were awesome. One thing that was not so good was the music. It supplemented the movie just fine, but it didnt stand out as the music did in the Burton movies. good point there about the music.it wasnt as noticable as the music Burtons used for sure
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Post by DarknessFalls on Jun 20, 2005 9:42:21 GMT -5
I saw the movie on Friday when it came out. I thought it is a good movie. The atmosphere that the film deliver was dark, gritty and engrossing. They have a good story to back everything up, excellent acting and directions. The first half of the movie wasn't as boring as I thought. I don't care about the soundtrack, I barely listened to it anyways. I thought Katie Holmes did okay, her role wasn't at all pointless, she provided some great humor (SLAP) and played her part as Bruce's concious. The begining was a little choppy and I felt rushed, but 2 hr? I can deal with that. The action sequences were way to close for me to see what's going on, but it is somewhat effective. With this movie, it doen't feel like watching a Batman movie, I'm feelin' for Bruce Wayne, man. He's so depressed. Best Batman movie yet, and please don't tamper with his origin anymore, it is as good as it is. A-
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Post by MuksC on Jun 20, 2005 10:13:56 GMT -5
i think the music composers purposefully didn't write a 'signature' theme, because we all know the main theme from the first couple of Batman movies, so having one in this 'restart' would draw everyone attention to the 'old' movie music (we'd say "oh look, its 'Batman music', its better than/not as good as Elfmans"), which is something they didn't want us to do.
i've read that in a few interviews with the 2 composers.
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Post by ttiger72 on Jun 20, 2005 13:03:38 GMT -5
Saw it on Sat night, and was very very impressed with the movie. It kept the them dark, and didn't get campy like some of the other movies. I love how they developed the Batman/Jim Gordon relationship. I really was happy with how they developed the Scarecrow as well.
I will say that I never for a minute thought that Ras wasn't Liam, why would Ras not train Bruce? And I really don't think that Ras is dead, he will show up in the franchise again if it lasts long enough.
I thought Bale was a very good choice for Bruce/Bats from the beginning, and was very pleased with his portrayal of both in the movie. Does anyone know how many movies he signed on for?
Overall I can't give this movie enough praise. It stayed true enough to the comics to make us happy, while being just as enjoyable for non comic fans.
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Post by MANBAT on Jun 20, 2005 15:35:03 GMT -5
Just went back for a second go round this afternoon with my father. The Bale Batman voice grows on you the second time around. Pick up a lot more of the sutle nods to Batman comic stories through out the year that were incorporated in the film. Story plays well the second time around.
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 20, 2005 16:44:22 GMT -5
Wow...i just saw Batman Forever on TNT last night a little after seeing batman begins. All i can say is wow. Batman Forever is just terrible compared to Batman Begins. SO many things were out of character and then the dreaded bat nipples. Still my favorite of the first four movies but pale in comparison to batman begins. Just thought i would say that.
Anyone notice Imdb.com's top 250 yet? Batman Begins is #64 with an overall rating of 8.5. It should really be in the #34 place since he has an 8.5 tho, hmm... It's beating both Kill Bills, which i like since i hate quentin tarintino (i know i just offended any tarintino fans here and i'm sorry but he's a jerk towards comic book fans). I encourage everyone here to vote for batman begins on there. With an 8.5 it's beating the matrix which has an 8.4.
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Post by tmthomas on Jun 20, 2005 20:16:52 GMT -5
Great Flick! I really did not like the suit or the pick for the batman role originally...I have to say I was wrong. Christian did a great job taking batman to a dark place. The movie wasn't about the suit this time, and I walked away happy that they focused on the important thing, the man is the weapon. Great plot twist and set up, I have to say I didn't see it coming (not to brag but I usually get them quite early). This movie payed tribute to everything from year one to the keaton movie without taking anything in jest. Fantastic!
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 20, 2005 21:28:30 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone knows this...Someone i know was interested in how they did the glacier scene. Liam Neeson said that ice experts would take him and christian off of the ice occasionally as it would break so did they really have christian or a stunt double fall through? I just figured they had a double with a wet suit fall through but i could be wrong. If anyone could tell me, that would be great.
Also curious as to what everybodies favorite part of the film. I enjoyed the ninja training all ten minutes of it and i also really liked bats first appearance and any scene with Ducard/ra's exchangin dialouge with bruce/bats. Tho it's quite hard to choose a favorite, i know.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jun 20, 2005 21:31:24 GMT -5
Alot of people that I know, and people around the web have been complaining and saying how they feel that Christian Bale's batman voice was pretty weak, but the way I am looking at it is this is basically an origin movie, and he is still feeling out and trying to get down the Batman voice.
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Post by wayneson on Jun 21, 2005 0:06:14 GMT -5
Just curious if anyone knows this...Someone i know was interested in how they did the glacier scene. Liam Neeson said that ice experts would take him and christian off of the ice occasionally as it would break so did they really have christian or a stunt double fall through? I just figured they had a double with a wet suit fall through but i could be wrong. If anyone could tell me, that would be great. Also curious as to what everybodies favorite part of the film. I enjoyed the ninja training all ten minutes of it and i also really liked bats first appearance and any scene with Ducard/ra's exchangin dialouge with bruce/bats. Tho it's quite hard to choose a favorite, i know. As far as a favorite scene I would have to pick Rachel's rescue from Arkham, with the gadgets and the bats in tow. But the film also had a lot of great small moments that come and go quickly, but resonated with me days later: -when The Dark Knight jerks Falcone forward and says "I'm Batman"! -when Scarecrow casually asks Falcone "have you seen my mask?" -when Alfred says "what's the use of all of those pushups if you can't even push a log off of you?" -when Gordon shows Batman the "calling card" As I sit here I can think of many others - to me, it's these smaller but memorable moments that push the film towards greatness.
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 21, 2005 0:11:20 GMT -5
The joker card scene is deffinatley another fav of mine. I also love the scene where Alfred asks "i suppose you'll be donning a persona to protect the ones closest to you"..."you thinking of rachel?"..."no sir, i was thinking of myself!"
I also like the scene directly after it when Wayne is told of Earle's plan and says that it's good he left alfred everything he owns and al says "you can borrow the Rolls, just leave it with a full tank".
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Post by wayneson on Jun 21, 2005 0:15:29 GMT -5
The joker card scene is deffinatley another fav of mine. I also love the scene where Alfred asks "i suppose you'll be donning a persona to protect the ones closest to you"..."you thinking of rachel?"..."no sir, i was thinking of myself!" I also like the scene directly after it when Wayne is told of Earle's plan and says that it's good he left alfred everything he owns and al says "you can borrow the Rolls, just leave it with a full tank". Right Arkham...that's exactly what I mean! The film is full of great little moments like those. Some were funny, others scary, others just simply thrilling. You wouldn't have to be a super Batfan to enjoy those moments, but if you are, then you were in heaven! ;D
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Post by Faithfulbutler on Jun 21, 2005 0:17:52 GMT -5
Can i just say after seeing Begins in all it's Imax glory..........THIS TIME THEY GOT IT RIGHT!
It was fantastic to have a cast and crew that "Get it!"Batman/Bruce Wayne,Alfred,Gordon,Villains and the Batmobile all portrayed right.And the score in the background felt to me more like a Heartbeat running the whole story. A truly pleasurable experience that i can't wait to go through again!
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Post by IamI on Jun 21, 2005 5:19:32 GMT -5
leaving Ras to die wasnt a mistake-it was him or Batman-he had Bruces parents killed after all and as long as Bats didnt kill him with his own hands Im fine with it. That is the one part I found inconsistent with the character. Batman stated he doesn't kill, but that he didn't have to save Ras/Ducard. In the comic books time after time the sanctity of life motivates Batman to save the villian. All in all though, a very good movie.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 21, 2005 6:38:47 GMT -5
The Joker card was my Fave scene.all other villians pale in comparison to Mr J
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Post by JimmyPSHayes on Jun 21, 2005 7:27:58 GMT -5
Batman Begins is my new favorite movie!! I put up a dry-erase board at work next to my Batman display for people to write down what letter grade they gave the movie. Needless to say, EVERYONE gave it an "A". I can't wait to see it again!
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 21, 2005 8:26:59 GMT -5
Wow, I might be the only person to post on this thread that didn't think the movie was "awesome". Don't get me wrong, It was good. It was far better then any of the previous films, It just didn't stand out to me. I didn't think Christian Bale did all that great (I thought he over acted as Batman). I did not like The Ra's Al Ghul twist, it made no sense to me. Above all else(and I cannot believe no one has mentioned this) is how bad the costume design and the batmobile desgn are! Come one! Batman's costume is not black. It's dark blue. And what happened to the classic black logo with the yellow background that is all over this website? That bat in this movie was just nasty! Scarecrow's costune was ugly too, and forgive me, but when did Scarecrow ever run Arkham? Scarecrow was a prof at Gotham U. I liked the atmosphere, the set designs, most of the acting was good, but this movie had some major holes in my opinion.
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Post by ttiger72 on Jun 21, 2005 12:39:52 GMT -5
Wow, I might be the only person to post on this thread that didn't think the movie was "awesome". Don't get me wrong, It was good. It was far better then any of the previous films, It just didn't stand out to me. I didn't think Christian Bale did all that great (I thought he over acted as Batman). I did not like The Ra's Al Ghul twist, it made no sense to me. Above all else(and I cannot believe no one has mentioned this) is how bad the costume design and the batmobile desgn are! Come one! Batman's costume is not black. It's dark blue. And what happened to the classic black logo with the yellow background that is all over this website? That bat in this movie was just nasty! Scarecrow's costune was ugly too, and forgive me, but when did Scarecrow ever run Arkham? Scarecrow was a prof at Gotham U. I liked the atmosphere, the set designs, most of the acting was good, but this movie had some major holes in my opinion. Batman's original costume did not have the "classic" logo, that balck bat is the classic logo. The original costume was also grey, and not any form of blue. There are going to be some liberties taken in any film version of a comic book. X-Men, Spiderman, Fantastice Four all were/are not 100% film versions of the comic books. They all have capatured the essence of the character for the most part, which is what this film has done. It has captured the essence of Batman on film. On the Ra's twist, I honestly can't believe that no one else saw it coming. Didn't Ra's train Bruce himself? Why would Ra's have someone else train Bruce, who is supposedly the best student he's ever had?
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Post by nikki6r on Jun 21, 2005 13:25:20 GMT -5
Went opening night. Loved every minute. Even better not only did my wife stay awake during the movie, she enjoyed it as well.
Only gripe is what I originaly thought, the chest emblem gets lost on screen.
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 21, 2005 13:45:31 GMT -5
ttiger, I agree with you. There are liberties taken with comic book movies. My question is...why? Why can't they use the orignal material. So you obviously agree with me in regard to Crane and Arkham? I will confess to never reading the comics when I was a kid, as I have stated in other threads, my knowledge(or lack there of) comes from the cartoons. I had heard of Ducard before and it was always my understanding that he trained Batman, not Ra's. as I have stated before, one of the reasons I joined this website is to learn things that I never knew because I never read the comics. Maybe that's why I didn't like the movie more then I did, because I'm not a hard-core old comic book reader. As far as the logo, I just don't like vintage, "antique-y" logos. I grew up in the 80's +90's and the logo with the yellow background is the one I'm used to
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Post by thedarkestnight on Jun 21, 2005 14:33:20 GMT -5
Well, since this Batman IS Batman, having a bright, yellow logo in front of your chest wouldn't be very good when he's out there stalking and toying with the criminals.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Jun 21, 2005 15:23:16 GMT -5
I personally dont care what the symbol on his chest looks like, and I don't think it should matter. The Character was done RIGHT, and no one can say any different. The essence of Batman is there, they did what they promised, they explained how everything went down. It was a good film whether you know alot about the character or not. Personally I thought it was a great film. This is the batman film I've been waiting for.
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Post by nikki6r on Jun 21, 2005 15:42:56 GMT -5
Fully agree Dr.Crane, thought all charactarization was spot on.
As a long time comic reader this hit every spot. Judging by my wife's reaction it is also great for those who know nothing about Batman.
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Post by m.arndt on Jun 21, 2005 17:25:36 GMT -5
I finally got to see Batman Begins on Sunday. It was awesome! I loved the fact that finally Batman had a different (and very cool sounding) voice than that of Bruce Wayne. I thought the Batmobile was so cool that I couldn't resist buying the toy. ;D I hope to get the chance to sneak out and see it again, this time on imax. I'm already counting the days until it's released on DVD. I just hope there's a special collectors gift set similar to what was done when Spider-man was released.
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Post by MuksC on Jun 22, 2005 8:36:01 GMT -5
going to see it in IMAX in Manchester later today, can't wait!!
about the colour of the chest logo, there are 2 ways to look at it. firstly, you can say that having a bright yellow armoured 'target' on the chest attracts any gunfire to it, therefore avoiding being shot elsewhere on the body. yes it stands out, but if you're gonna get shot, its better they aim for this target.
secondly, you can say its better than its 'invisible', like in Begins, so you avoid getting shot in the first place. its better not to be shot at, at all, rather than taking the chance and hoping they do aim for the 'target'.
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Post by Batrez on Jun 22, 2005 12:25:47 GMT -5
saw this movie 4 times!!!!!
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Post by Dr. Crane on Jun 22, 2005 13:36:14 GMT -5
saw this movie 4 times!!!!! I've only had a chance to see it once, going again this sunday though.
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Post by MuksC on Jun 23, 2005 12:58:16 GMT -5
drove 35 miles last night to see it at Manchester in IMAX with my parents, older sister and her 7 year old daughter.
although i really enjoyed it, it didn't completely blow me away like a lot of you have described.
the crowd were pretty much silent throughout, with only some mild laughter at some of the one-liners.
there were some moments were i got a chill down my spine, they seemed so 'right', Flass' interrogation, the joker card scene, and a few more.
at the end, there was no clapping or cheering, everyone just stood up and walked out, i even heard some girls behind me saying something like "what was all the fuss about, it wasn't THAT good". maybe its the British 'stiff upper lip' that prevented any clapping and cheering.
the picture quality and size, as well as the sound was amazing, my first ever IMAX experience.
overall a good movie, i think the best Batman one yet, although i have a few nitpicks:
i couldn't understand what Scarecrow was saying while the gas was doing its job
they didn't show how he put the bat logo on his chest, is it armoured, is it just a rubber shape glued on?
they didn't address the eye make-up issue: in the scene where he puts rachel on the table in the batcave, and takes his cowl off, he could have turned towards the camera to show us his 'panda eyes', and then get a cloth and rub it off before getting changed to return to his birthday party. they explained everything else about his costume, they could have had a scene with him test-fitting the cowl, and Alfred pointing out that he would need to put black make-up round his eye to give the full effect.
when Bruce and his parents leave the theatre, Joe Chill is confronting them almost immediately. i would have liked them to walk a bit more, then be followed by, or suprised by Chill.
when bruce goes into the cave to 'face his fear', when all the bats fly around him, surely they would create some wind? so his hair should maybe have been blown by a fan or something. i have a cockatiel, and when he flies, he creates lots of cool air and draft, so surely those thousands of bats would have blown his hair a bit?
the scene where he tells everyone to leave his party: i know he was pretending to be drunk, but what he said to the guests just didn't seem right. although true, he really insulted them, and as one guest said, "the apple has fallen far from the tree". that speech would have really left a bad impression of bruce to the guests, many who would have known and respected his parents. he could have just told alfred to set off the fire alarm to evacuate the building.
when Liam said to Bruce "you burnt down my house and left me for dead, consider us even". he didn't leave Liam for dead, he took him out and left him with the old man, who said he would tell Liam that Bruce saved his life.
Bale looked a little uncomfortable when saying some of his lines, i.e the cowl was too tight on his head when he's rescuing Rachel in the batmobile he turns his head and says "hold on". and in another scene when talking to Gordon, the cowl seems to be pushing some of his flesh from under his chin forwards towards his chin, making his face look fat and squashed.
and Katie Holmes didn't annoy me at all, i think she worked ok, so apologies for slagging her off so much beforehand. although it would have been nice to see a slight age change between the time when she takes Bruce to Chills hearing, and the time when Bruce returns for good. bruce looks to have aged from a student in his early 20's, to a fighting machine in his late 20's. Rachel looks exactly the same.
my dad though it was ok, but he said he wouldn't see it again, but then again a film he would really like comprises of non-stop gun-fighting in a western-movie setting for 2 hours, so thats not too bad.
my mum liked it, but though it was too noisy.
my sister liked it more, and kept ringing me from work today to ask me question about certain things, because they were discussing it at her workplace.
and her daughter sort of enjoyed it, but i guess found the first half boring, and the 2nd half too scary and kept covering her eyes when the scarecrow appeared or thousands of bats flew on the screen.
i will probably go and see it with my friends next week in normal format, if they decide to come and watch it. i asked them before that when its out, do they want to come and watch it. they replied "Batmans for kids!". I said, "its a 12". they replied "well its for 12 year old kids then!".
I think generally they have got the character right though, and this trilogy should do well if they keep it based in reality and stick to their high quality of cast and back room staff.
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 23, 2005 13:53:08 GMT -5
the scene where he tells everyone to leave his party: i know he was pretending to be drunk, but what he said to the guests just didn't seem right. although true, he really insulted them, and as one guest said, "the apple has fallen far from the tree". that speech would have really left a bad impression of bruce to the guests, many who would have known and respected his parents. he could have just told alfred to set off the fire alarm to evacuate the building. when Liam said to Bruce "you burnt down my house and left me for dead, consider us even". he didn't leave Liam for dead, he took him out and left him with the old man, who said he would tell Liam that Bruce saved his life. Some very good points you make MuksC. But you overlooked a few things. First alfred was taking Rachel home so he couldn't pull the fire alarm. And when Liam said he was left for dead he meant that Bruce left Ra's for dead. Bruce left the idea and persona of Ra's for dead without knowing that the guy was not really ra's. He left everything ra's stood for and believed in for dead. So ra's did the same.
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