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Post by JokerFC on Jun 19, 2005 20:43:41 GMT -5
with Nolan and Goyer wanting to hit the ground running in the sequel does anyone think that the Joker should be caught early(only to escape later to do the really heinous stuff-- cue an utterly muderous breakout scene)and when he is on trial that he should be the one to fire the Acid at Harvey Dents face? Acid+Joker is like Ireland and the color green ;D Goyer and Nolan are looking to find a way to introduce his scarring in the sequel I think this could be golden myself..........opinions?please be FRANK- if you will
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Post by TheJoker on Jun 19, 2005 23:21:02 GMT -5
Well, I heard that Nolan wanted to have a Joker origin story and then introduce Harvey Dent in it. Then in the third film, they introduce two-face. I hope they use the Killing Joke as a base for the script. Man I love that story.
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Post by wayneson on Jun 20, 2005 13:31:23 GMT -5
with Nolan and Goyer wanting to hit the ground running in the sequel does anyone think that the Joker should be caught early(only to escape later to do the really heinous stuff-- cue an utterly muderous breakout scene)and when he is on trial that he should be the one to fire the Acid at Harvey Dents face? Acid+Joker is like Ireland and the color green ;D Goyer and Nolan are looking to find a way to introduce his scarring in the sequel I think this could be golden myself..........opinions?please be FRANK- if you will Sounds pretty good to me, JFC. Since the Joker will have been caught by Batman, the injury to Dent will create the guilt and responsibility that Batman feels about Two-Face; this dynamic is essential to the whole Batman/Wayne/Two-Face/Dent relationship. That's gold, Frank! Gold! (thanks Seinfeld)
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Post by HUSH on Jun 20, 2005 15:16:28 GMT -5
with Nolan and Goyer wanting to hit the ground running in the sequel does anyone think that the Joker should be caught early(only to escape later to do the really heinous stuff-- cue an utterly muderous breakout scene)and when he is on trial that he should be the one to fire the Acid at Harvey Dents face? Acid+Joker is like Ireland and the color green ;D Goyer and Nolan are looking to find a way to introduce his scarring in the sequel I think this could be golden myself..........opinions?please be FRANK- if you will That sounds like a winner! That is what I want to see. A Hero for you!
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 20, 2005 17:15:48 GMT -5
cheers Hush there is one right back at ya
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Post by HUSH on Jun 20, 2005 18:38:35 GMT -5
cheers Hush there is one right back at ya Oh, thanks! ;D
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jun 20, 2005 21:19:36 GMT -5
If they take from The Killing Joke in the next movie it is going to be off the charts! I think you are onto something here Joker FC...
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jun 21, 2005 15:50:00 GMT -5
Goyer expressed similar plans in an interview in Variety or Premiere (forgot which) in which Harvey Dent would help take down the Joker, but later get scarred when Joker goes up on the stand.
Now, I could see it happening...but personally, I would prefer if they stuck to the comics on this one. Granted, I am very open to making differences between the comics and the films. I haven't seen the film yet, but I already know that Batman Begins is full of them and the ones to my knowledge are even better than the comic's interpretation (i.e. Bat flies through window vs. Encountering and conquering childhood fears in the place where it all started). Character-wise, it would work. Joker stands for everything against law and justice, so scarring Dent wouldn't be too far fetched.
However, if Joker were to do it...you've got one big thing that'll have to happen: Two-Face vs. Joker. Face it, Harvey Dent's going to seriously hate Joker even more than Batman if the Joker's going to hit him with acid. Film three might turn into Two-Face trying to kill Joker and Joker still wrecking havoc. I'm not sure if it would be wise to set up two big villains against each other like that. Two-Face would have to always hate Joker for scarring him and hate Batman for preventing him from trying to kill Joker. Sure, in the comics they've resented each other- Joker beats up Harvey in The Long Halloween, Two-Face kicks Joker's @$$ in Dark Victory, and Harvey chillingly reminds Joker about the TLH incident in Hush. But it was never as deep as "You ruined my life!"
With a mob boss turning Dent into Two-Face, you've got something different: the mob inadvertently creating a "freak" that will overthrow them (pretty much like in The Long Halloween). The irony is much heavier in this and would fit in the universe of Batman Begins since the film already shows the beginning of that. Plus, wouldn't you all want to see the fall of the mob and the rise of the freaks, like in TLH and DV?
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 21, 2005 18:10:37 GMT -5
Good points man-- very good points at that.I dont see Joker surviving the sequel though.....
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Post by MANBAT on Jun 21, 2005 20:21:06 GMT -5
I'd like to see the joker built up until film # 3. Maybe have him taken out by Batman into the chemicals that make him The Joker, Batman leaves him for Dead in film 2 everyone knows he'll be back for #3.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 21, 2005 20:32:39 GMT -5
I'd like to see the joker built up until film # 3. Maybe have him taken out by Batman into the chemicals that make him The Joker, Batman leaves him for Dead in film 2 everyone knows he'll be back for #3. I wouldnt mind that either I have to say but its doubtful we will see it.thats got me thinking I assume the jiker will be chalky white when we see him first....or are they going to do his origin in the movie.....it would be very similar to 89 if they did.....wonder how they will handle this
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Post by Robin on Jun 21, 2005 20:52:04 GMT -5
Wow everyone has very good ideas. It's getting me all excited for the sequel but its no where near coming out!
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Jun 23, 2005 4:09:39 GMT -5
I feel certain they're not going to kill Joker in the sequel, if he's in it. When Nolan talks about6 future movies in interviews, he seems to be expecting them to continue the franchise even after he's no longer involved in it, and it would be foolish to kill off the main villain again.
Also, I think they'd probably have to have the Joker start as just a criminal who leaves the Joker calling card, and then have the incident with him falling into the chemical vat later on in the movie, because we already see the card in Gordon's hand in conjunction with a number of crimes already committed. Doesn't seem like he'll be a comedian who is conned into being the Red Hood, a la Killing Joke, but that's my two cents.
And personally, I HOPE they don't kill the Joker in the movie. He's one of my favorite characters, and the fact that he keeps coming back is what makes him a threat, instead of just being "hey remember that white-faced guy I fought that one time? He was creepy, eh?"
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 23, 2005 11:26:58 GMT -5
I forget who it was that orginally scarrered Harvey Dent I think in the cartoon it was Rupert Thorne wasn't it? How about an appearance by him in the sequel?
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 23, 2005 11:41:20 GMT -5
I think seeing the same villian in more than one villian is virtually impossible to honest.its not the way Super Hero movies are done.villians die or are irreperably damaged IE- not being a threat anymore. me i would love to see the Joker in 2 movies but it wont happen WB wont allow it-they will want variety in the movies
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Post by freizerader on Jun 23, 2005 14:40:59 GMT -5
I have yet to see Begins but could it be possible in the sequel that Falcone and/or his thugs are still being rounded up/prosecuted for the events in begins and harvey is involved because of Rachel's personal involvment thus setting up the thug w/ acid scarring Dent not the Joker.Joker's past is probably going to be flashback with Batman being at the epicenter of all their disfigurement .Therefore Bats feels he is to blame for bringing all these freaks into existense in Gotham and goes through the crisis of faith as being Gotham's defender.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 23, 2005 14:44:14 GMT -5
Id say a good bit of time will have passed between begins and the sequel and the feud between Bats and Joker will have escalated to boiling point between the movies due to media and other factors-and of course the joker will have no doubt committed unspeakable acts during this time
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Post by HUSH on Jun 23, 2005 15:26:21 GMT -5
Id say a good bit of time will have passed between begins and the sequel and the feud between Bats and Joker will have escalated to boiling point between the movies due to media and other factors-and of course the joker will have no doubt committed unspeakable acts during this time I am expecting that time will have passed between Begins and the sequel, and I think having that gap will work well and is a good idea, I just hope that the filmmakers, and I'm sure they will, make sure that they have at least a detailed memory of the event of the tranformation from "Jack"(for lack of a better decription, I don't even know if they'll reveal his name) to Joker in the sequel, and that they establish the things that he did during the gap. I also hope that his crimes and trangresions during the gap, although they should be horrible, turn out to be nothing compared to what he does in the actual movie. But still, like you said, Batman and Joker should already be archenemies when the film begins.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 23, 2005 15:54:07 GMT -5
Hush heres an exalt.you said it better than I could have
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Post by HUSH on Jun 23, 2005 15:55:22 GMT -5
Hush heres an exalt.you said it better than I could have Thanks, right back at ya!
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Post by freizerader on Jun 30, 2005 14:50:58 GMT -5
I showed my wife the photoshop picture of Crispin Glover as Joker and she went nuts with the theories and we sat and brainstormed for an hour and half.heres what we thought: With Joker making "smilex' and always using it he's obvisiously educated,possibly a chemist,this is central to our plot.Being just out of college and needing a job to pay the loans he trys comedy and fails.He gets in debt so bad that he takes up gambling and falls in with Falcone's gang(all this has happened during and prior to the events in Begins mind you)when confronted by Falcone for winnings owed he asks for one last chance and Falcone agrees with a pay up or nothin high card draw to which he loses with a draw of the wild card,the joker he makes a rude or stupid joke pissin Carmine off.Falcone says something like "I'd kill this joker myself but the good doctor is in need of some educated assistance at Arkham,the under-the-table kind."He then orders him to be locked up in a tank for the time being,with the thugs placing the joker card in his pocket while beating him up.While waiting to be taken to Arkham an accident happens turning on the release valve to the tank he's in filling it with whatever chemical bleaches his skin white turnig his hair a shade of green and his lips darker red.He's removed from the tank in time to keep from drowning and taken to Dr. Crane,since it was an illegal abduction they don't want a incident.The Dr. sees an oppurtunity to test different variantions of his gas,how else would he know what a double dose does to the human mind plus it was stated that he was experimenting with his "patients".all this breaks a fragile mind who already blames our hero simply for "not being there when he's needed" When the inmates are released durin the Narrows incident he finds the card and assumes hisnew identity.
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Post by The BaTbUm on Jun 30, 2005 23:55:20 GMT -5
nice, i really like it, ties up everything.
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Post by Arkham16 on Jul 1, 2005 0:16:27 GMT -5
Wow, a hero for Friezerader and his wife
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 4, 2005 22:42:11 GMT -5
Sounds pretty good. And it would set up the 3rd movie for Two-Face. ;D [shadow=red,left,300][/shadow]Heads: You Live; Tails: You Die.
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Post by freizerader on Jul 5, 2005 14:30:21 GMT -5
Thanx guys We came up with a thought this weekend.The cast was awesome in Begins it would be an interesting plotline if every thing that Falcone did has some future consequence like the creation of the J-man.His trial or one of his thugs trial could be the set up for Two-face.This would allow every character in begins to make important cameos in the next series of movies,kind of like LoTR.
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Post by greg on Jul 12, 2005 22:52:50 GMT -5
i think its a good idea, i would like to see the Killing Joke, but i think its too early in the story, since Gordon has no kids yet. maybe a similar story. i think they should intro Harvey Dent, but wait for Two Face until the next one. and they have to do Bane again.
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Post by freizerader on Jul 14, 2005 8:54:05 GMT -5
I got to thinking about Bane too.I thought Antonio Banderas, Vin Diesel or JOhn Leguizamo as Bane;normal then morph him into Lou "Hulk" Ferigno when he's pumped up on Venom. Also I thought another good pick for Joker would be Robert "Freddy Kruger" Englund
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 14, 2005 11:01:36 GMT -5
to be done correctly Bane will have to be huge to begin with-a wrestler may have to be cast as him should he ever appear-Batista actually looks like him too
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Post by BaTfReAk25 on Jul 14, 2005 13:16:55 GMT -5
yall gettin me pshyed up.......the movie aint out yet!
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Post by azrael24 on Jul 14, 2005 20:36:32 GMT -5
i know, joker fc and freizader those stories are great!! but it has to include catwoman SOMEWHERE down the line. shes freakin cool, specially in batman returns 'merry christmas santa claus' and 'batman killed me, penguin killed me...' and 'oh wait, i forgot, im not married. ' she was awesome, but if shes in this series hopefully she can top batman returns's version of her.
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