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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 3, 2005 19:53:04 GMT -5
If you have any ideas of your own, feel free to post them. [shadow=red,left,300][/shadow]What the hell are you? I'm Batman.
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Post by Arkham16 on Jul 3, 2005 21:09:33 GMT -5
I voted firefly for many reasons.
First off i believe this film should focus on realistic villians. You can't get too realistic with some of them but i would like to see as much conventional means of SFX then CGI. I hate movies with a lot of CGI. So this knocks clayface (who i think would be cool but just isn't grounded in realism for the film) and man-bat (he could be done with prosthetics but just isn't grounded in realism as others).
Second, not all villians would be good on screen. Cluemaster is like the riddler but not as good. Many average audiences would assume he's a knock off riddler and not like him since they are familiar with jim carey riddler.
Third, ventriliquist and scarface would be interesting since Falcone is in jail and could maybe take over control. BUT vent and scar are not a threat to bats. He needs a run for his money and vent is an old guy with a second personality projected thru a toy.
So the most realistic villian of the five listed IMO firefly would work best. He's essentially a pyromanic with a jet pack. I think that would be a cool transfer onto the big screen. Fly's also a merc so that could easily put him into the film. He would have no real motivation but money so he would probably be a minor villian but could easily be done.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 4, 2005 12:08:42 GMT -5
I would love to see Man Bat with Killer Croc in a Batman movie with a scifi/horror/X-Files type of feel to the movie
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Post by freizerader on Jul 5, 2005 14:38:00 GMT -5
First off i believe this film should focus on realistic villians. You can't get too realistic with some of them but i would like to see as much conventional means of SFX then CGI. These movies with a lot of CGI are so dark to hide the mistakes made that you really cant see the action.Granted Batman is set in the night but there are certain trade-offs you have to make to get the story across.Movie-making is after all story telling Third, ventriliquist and scarface would be interesting since Falcone is in jail and could maybe take over control. BUT vent and scar are not a threat to bats. He needs a run for his money and vent is an old guy with a second personality projected thru a toy. So the most realistic villian of the five listed IMO firefly would work best. He's essentially a pyromanic with a jet pack. I think that would be a cool transfer onto the big screen. Fly's also a merc so that could easily put him into the film. He would have no real motivation but money so he would probably be a minor villian but could easily be done. I totaly agree but accidentally voted for vent/scar I like how begins made everything seem as if it could happen in our reality.I hope they kind of stick to this realistic interpretation,although i do like some of the "out-landish" villians(my name-sake,Mr Freeze<for one)
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Post by SRA on Jul 5, 2005 14:51:54 GMT -5
Personally i would just love to see a villainess on her own take on Batman! Poison Ivy, Talia, Catwoman, Harley Quinn, Calender Girl etc. But out of the List, Ventriliquist and Scarface as that would be cool to see!
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Post by wayneson on Jul 5, 2005 19:46:26 GMT -5
This is another poll that doesn't allow me to vote (it says "you did not select who you wanted to vote for") - I chose Firefly because I think that he could be done in the realistic manner Nolan has established. As an arsonist he would have plenty of jobs in Gotham between insurance fraud, industrial espionage, and (in the Narrows) professional hitman work that burns up all the evidence in the process. I think he would be a great second-fiddle villian to a crime lord, much in the same way Scarecrow was to Ra's Al Ghul in Begins. The final reason is that I just love the character, especially the way he was portrayed in the "Batgirl: Year One" series ( as well as the TNBA episode "Torch Song") - bitter, vengeful, arrogant and just downright mean.
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Post by The Demons Head on Aug 14, 2005 0:28:27 GMT -5
I'd love to see Clayface, because the character could epitomize the weirdness that was the 40's-to-late 60's in terms of villains and their respective gimmicks...That, and while I like Ventriloquist and Scarface, I don't think that the performances, even if top-notch, could sell a whole 2 hours and change movie by themselves...I'd love to see them in a cameo role like Zassz had in Batman Begins, though...
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Post by hitman04 on Aug 14, 2005 0:53:23 GMT -5
i'd like amygdala and cornelious (sp?) stirk to make an appearence
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Post by The Demons Head on Aug 14, 2005 1:39:27 GMT -5
i'd like amygdala and cornelious (sp?) stirk to make an appearence They would be cool to see as "Easter eggs" for the fans...Though, I'd rather see each one of them as background characters in a different sequel; the new movie with the Joker would, say, have Amygdala, and the 2nd sequel (hopefully we'll have a top-notch writing/ directing team, or else this will turn out to be Batman & Robin, P. II), could have Cornelious... The characters that I'd like to see pop up in the future would have to be; KGBeast...Dr. Hugo Strange...The Madd Hatter... Who knows which character(s) will show up in the future?
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 14, 2005 12:00:34 GMT -5
ClayFace!
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Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 14, 2005 13:00:09 GMT -5
I voted firefly for many reasons. First off i believe this film should focus on realistic villians. You can't get too realistic with some of them but i would like to see as much conventional means of SFX then CGI. I hate movies with a lot of CGI. So this knocks clayface (who i think would be cool but just isn't grounded in realism for the film) and man-bat (he could be done with prosthetics but just isn't grounded in realism as others). Second, not all villians would be good on screen. Cluemaster is like the riddler but not as good. Many average audiences would assume he's a knock off riddler and not like him since they are familiar with jim carey riddler. Third, ventriliquist and scarface would be interesting since Falcone is in jail and could maybe take over control. BUT vent and scar are not a threat to bats. He needs a run for his money and vent is an old guy with a second personality projected thru a toy. So the most realistic villian of the five listed IMO firefly would work best. He's essentially a pyromanic with a jet pack. I think that would be a cool transfer onto the big screen. Fly's also a merc so that could easily put him into the film. He would have no real motivation but money so he would probably be a minor villian but could easily be done. Very convincing argument, my friend. I hero you, as usual. Although I think a darker, more serious version of The Batman's Cluemaster (who is not like Riddler at all) would be make an interesting Batman Returns-like story, you're right about Firefly being a realistic threatening villain to Batman. He could easily be used as a minor villain mercenary. Take his simple characterization from The Batman (which I think is his best characterization) and put him in the comic book suit (I like darker colors better. It just seems to fit, IMO) et voila.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 17, 2005 2:28:49 GMT -5
*bump*
If they darkened up "The Batman" version of Cluemaster, I think it would be interesting to see Batman's complete opposite be brought to the big screen.
He and Batman are both highly intelligent costumed characters with dark pasts. They both had traumatic experiences and sought revenge. Arthur Brown's was a personal vendetta whereas Bruce's was more about using his revenge to prevent tragedies from ever repeating. They spent years training their minds to do this- Bruce studying science and detective work and Arthur practically studying all those encyclopedias. While Bruce Wayne made his body more fit and stronger, Arthur let his declined. In both cases, these characters' physical bodies are results of how they dealt with grief. Also notice that they both live in the houses that they grew up in and live with the people who raised them (in Arthur's case, his mother. In Batman's case, his butler).
Take out the midget henchmen and the "embarrassing" circumstances Arthur tried to place his victims in and I think you've got more serious material already. I think he should probably do something a little more personal and darker, such as plant false evidence against a victim that ruins that victim's reputation, instead of publically humiliate them with garbage cans, whoopie cushions, and runaway chess pieces. I also wouldn't want Cluemaster to be as obese as he is in the series. Definitely fat for symbolic purposes, but not Jabba The Hutt.
I think it would be cool for a James Bond-like opening sequence. Batman trying to piece together the clues. Three Gothamites falsely accused of whatever. For example, former game show host (with no history of alcoholism) caught drunk with strippers in the seedy sleazy part of Gotham (clear far away from where the guy was known to hang out with friends). Guy loses his wife and his job. Batman is suspicious. Something like that and within minutes, he uses his detective work to figure it all out.
He bursts into Cluemaster's hideout just as the guy's about to lower his victims into acid. Batman and him have a psychological verbal confrontation like in the episode. Maybe something that'll later point to the theme of the film (that Batman is not alone in his obsession with his childhood memories. Perhaps when Robin eventually enters the picture?). Batman stops Cluemaster and saves the victims from the acid at the same time. End that story, move on to the bigger picture.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 17, 2005 17:41:38 GMT -5
*bump* C'mon guys! We can get more ideas rolling on how to fit the above characters into the Batman Begins universe.
Something I thought of is that you could make that Cluemaster sequence I described above as the beginning of a Batman vs. Riddler film. I'd add that Cluemaster tries to use explosives and stuff against Batman, kinda like the comic book version of him. Riddler could be doing something similar to The Batman episode "Riddled" in which he threatens to blow up certain places when you can't figure out the riddles. Batman would notice that the explosives are similar to the ones that Cluemaster had. Cut to Blackgate and Batman has to find out what Cluemaster knows about Riddler (ala Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs). I think it could be cool.
As for Firefly, again I think he'd be a cool opening sequence guy who works for GothCorp. Batman catches him in the beginning and evidence goes against GothCorp. They're in big trouble. So GothCorp decides to get someone to finish off the Batman to get rid of their troubles, thus making way for another villain, such as Bane.
The thing is, I don't think some of these villains can last an entire film. I'd like to see them as villains that you see in the openings of James Bond films, but who actually are tied into the film's story. For example, Cuemaster has business relations to the main villain, Riddler, and the capture of Firefly makes way for the main villain, Bane (or whoever GothCorp would use to take out Batman). That way, you'd get a definitive Batman series that includes a lot of the villains, including the minor ones, but one doesn't have to worry about developing entire two hours worth of stories for every single one of them.
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Post by The Demons Head on Aug 20, 2005 17:25:52 GMT -5
I think that the movies should reflect the evolution of the comics; start off with predominantly "gangster"-type mob boss(Black Mask/ Ventriloquist & Scarface/ Two-Face), the crazed 'theme villains' (Joker/ The Riddler/ Mr. Freeze), then it goes to the almost supernatural (Ra's al Ghul from the Lazurus Pit/ Man-Bat), and then culminate with monsters (Clayface/ Bane)...However, this is just speculation on my part...
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 20, 2005 21:11:24 GMT -5
I think that the movies should reflect the evolution of the comics; start off with predominantly "gangster"-type mob boss(Black Mask/ Ventriloquist & Scarface/ Two-Face), the crazed 'theme villains' (Joker/ The Riddler/ Mr. Freeze), then it goes to the almost supernatural (Ra's al Ghul from the Lazurus Pit/ Man-Bat), and then culminate with monsters (Clayface/ Bane)...However, this is just speculation on my part... I like this evolution thing your talking about. This deserves a hero.
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Post by The Demons Head on Aug 20, 2005 21:48:49 GMT -5
Why thank you... ;D What I'm saying is that if you look at the over-all history of Batman, you'll notice definite changes when it comes to his rogues galleries; during the 60's alien/ sci-fi craze he encounters more varieties of monstrous villains like Clayface, and, during the 70's he fights the supernatural (Nocturna/ Ra's al Ghul)...This kind of fluctuation is essential to the success of the character; if Batman doesn't adapt to what's currently popular, he will become stagnant and seem like "an old fossil" of a fictional character...
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 24, 2005 6:23:07 GMT -5
Calyface would be awesome. & the clay should stick every where when he walks & touches stuff. like TB
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Post by enchantaurora on Sept 6, 2005 15:57:28 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Mad Hatter or Firefly
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