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Post by jasontodd2 on Aug 10, 2005 17:13:05 GMT -5
This is not another who is the best Batman poll, but rather out of the five guys who have played Batman which of the Batman they played would win in an all out battle? ? ?
Would the Micheal Keaton Batman take out The Val Kilmer Batman? Could The Adam West Batman beat The Christian Bale Batman?
What do you all think and why?
I was going to first vote for Adam West because his Batman could always get out of any situation with something from his utility belt, but if you take the Utility Belt out of the equation, he could still hold his own, but this Adam West Batman along with The Val Kilmer & George Clooney Batman's proved they need to rely on Robin in some fashion to help them out so Adam , Val, and George are all eliminated, which brings us down to The Christian Bale Batman versus The Micheal Keaton Batman. I think this would be one hell of a knock down drag out fight, but in the end I think Keaton's Batman (how he was shown on screen) would walk out of this one the winner (barely) because he showed that he has that killer instinct...
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Post by Batlaw on Aug 10, 2005 17:28:57 GMT -5
I have to say Bale would be the last Batman standing. For starters, when compared to the others, he is younger and clearly in better shape. And if for no other reason, has been the only one to display any serious physical ability out of the suit and with his bare hands! Although, if looks could kill, Clooney would be victorious (hes just so dreamy LOL) hahaha
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Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 10, 2005 17:30:28 GMT -5
TechnoBat: I have to agree with you there for the most part. Especially with Keaton being the winner. I wouldn't say it's the killer instinct, but from what was shown in the first film and Batman Begins, I think Keaton's Batman is tougher.
Although we saw Bruce Wayne train his butt off in Batman Begins, one could barely see him use those skills later on. Plus, if you really think about it....he was beaten by Scarecrow's fear gas (in the comic "Terror" Batman used his will and anger to beat through the gas and fight the Scarecrow) and if it weren't for Alfred arriving in time and Gordon in the Batmobile, Ra's would've killed Bruce Wayne/Batman. Seriously, if he hadn't gotten Gordon to take out the railing, Ra's would've killed Batman. I acknowledge that Bale's Batman was definitely skilled and tough in that movie. After all, he did take out all Falcone and Scarecrow's thugs as well as Mr. Zsaz and a couple of the League of Shadows members in the Narrows.
Don't get me wrong, I love Batman Begins, but...Michael Keaton's Batman alone in 1989 is a bad@$$-plain and simple, especially at the end. He gets into a plane crash. Limps into the cathedral...and all the way up those flight of stairs. And that thing isn't exactly a two story house. He nearly gets taken down by a giant bell. Then, still wounded and battered, beats down some thugs and still stands when the big black guy punches him. He never falls down once after all he's been through. We hear the sounds of the thug pounding him, but never once does Batman give up. And then after he uses his intellect to beat the thug, he totally kicks the Joker's @$$.
My winner: Michael Keaton Although I honestly would want Bale's Batman to get more of a chance to do something like I described in B89 in the new sequel. A bruised, battered, but unbeaten Batman still fighting for justice.
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 10, 2005 18:48:46 GMT -5
Bale could take them all down. It would probably come down to him and Keaton at the end.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Aug 10, 2005 19:30:33 GMT -5
My winner: Michael Keaton Although I honestly would want Bale's Batman to get more of a chance to do something like I described in B89 in the new sequel. A bruised, battered, but unbeaten Batman still fighting for justice. I gotta say I agree with that statement it would be great to see Bats beaten, battered and bruised and pushing through it to save the day. In Begins I thought it was great when he was fighting the imposter Ra's Ah Ghul, and if not for the explosion and building falling on him I don't think Bruce would have walked out the winner in that sword fight. But it was very cool to see Bruce getting hit and smacked around during the fight and never give up, it's always great seeing his drive and will to survive.
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Post by greg on Aug 11, 2005 12:21:37 GMT -5
Bale Batman would win for sure. hes younger and tougher, and seems darker and stronger.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Aug 11, 2005 19:24:41 GMT -5
I am not so sure The Bale Batman could take down The Keaton Batman. Like I said before it would be a great battle but as BatmAngelus has pointed out he is alot tougher than any of the previous Batmen. Don't get me wrong The Bale Batman went through alot but you have to remember Batman Begins is his first outing and Batman 89 is his first outing, and The Keaton Batman had a great run and proved time and time again how tough he really was. In Batman Returns he went toe to toe with Catwoman and survived, that alone is a point proven...
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Post by m.arndt on Aug 11, 2005 20:04:21 GMT -5
I'd go with Christian Bale. He's young and was in great shape for the movie.
Adam West: I love the guy, but he's too chubby......maybe if he distracts them with the Bat-usi dance he could win. lol
Michael Keaton: I liked his brooding Batman, but he's just too short. He's the mini-me Batman of the bunch.
Val Kilmer: He looked pretty wimpy with his shirt off in Batman Forever. Plus he talked so slow & soft and seemed so mellow during the movie, I think he was high on pot or something.
George Clooney: With his batsuit nipples showing, he'd easily be taken out by the dreaded purple nurple. Those can really hurt. lol
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Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 11, 2005 20:32:10 GMT -5
I'd go with Christian Bale. He's young and was in great shape for the movie. Bale Batman would win for sure. hes younger and tougher, and seems darker and stronger. Sorry guys, but shouldn't we use movie situations to justify who we think should win? I think that's the best way to judge this- how each Batman handled himself in other fights- instead of who looks more physically fit. I'm with The Techno Bat all the way- from what I've seen of Bale's Batman, I'm not so sure if he could really beat Keaton. I shall continue to compare Bale's Batman in Begins to Keaton's Batman in Batman 1989 only. In both films, Batman is "just starting out." Christian Bale's Batman.... He is definitely skilled at fighting in the movie. He swiftly and easily takes out Falcone and Scarecrow's thugs. He beats the crap out of The League of Shadows ninjas toward the end. I'm not adding Ken Watanabe's "Ra's" here because Bruce is technically not Batman yet. When it comes to going up against the big shots, however, he needed an outside influence to help him. Without Alfred and Lucius Fox...he would be suffering through Scarecrow's fear gas and maybe his mind would be lost as well. You could argue that drugs shouldn't count, but in the comic Terror, Batman is hit by a fear toxin even stronger than what he's experienced before. Does he let the Scarecrow take him? Hell no, he pushes himself through it and scares the crap out of Scarecrow. Without Alfred, he would've burned to death in Wayne Manor. (I consider this as Batman because even though he wasn't wearing the suit, he still already has become Batman and besides, wearing the suit in Wayne Manor against Ra's and company would not have helped him). Without Gordon in the Batmobile, Ra's would have slaughtered him in the monorail after the "You're just an ordinary man in a cape!" speech. Michael Keaton's Batman.... The only time that Michael Keaton's Batman needed an outside influence was when he was in the alley and Vicki Vale took a photo just in time...and it's questionable in that scene whether or not Batman was really unconscious or deceiving them and secretly ready to strike. Otherwise...he, like Bale, beats down all the thugs that go after him, from the muggers on the rooftop to Napier's men in Axis Chemicals to Joker's men in the alley. And in terms of "toughness" the final confrontation says it all... Keaton's Batman: - survives a plane crash - walks over hundreds of stairs - escapes death by humongous church bell - kicks all the thugs' @$$es and absorbs all the blows given to him by the black thug - Unleashes his full fury on The Joker. Not to mention that after Joker gets lucky and cheats, Batman still has the arm strength to: - hold on to the railing the whole time - save Vicki when she falls after grabbing Joker's "hand" - shoot the bola at Joker - save Vicki once again. Because of that finale and that he is only "beaten" once in the film (that's if you count him being unconscious when the thugs shoot him in the alley), I think that Keaton is more independent, tougher, and has more physical endurance. His will, determination, and anger forces him to push through all the physical pain as he strives to save Gotham (okay, okay, Vicki Vale specifically in that ending) from The Joker. He never gives up and he never gets beaten. Bale's Batman gets beaten- as described above - and even considers giving up as he lies in the dumbwaiter. Thank God for Alfred and his pep talk. Honestly, I hope that Bale's Batman gets that very chance to shine like Keaton did in the sequels, so that I can say with confidence that he would win.
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Post by MasterofFear on Aug 11, 2005 22:30:07 GMT -5
I have to say Bale would be the last Batman standing. For starters, when compared to the others, he is younger and clearly in better shape. And if for no other reason, has been the only one to display any serious physical ability out of the suit and with his bare hands! Although, if looks could kill, Clooney would be victorious (hes just so dreamy LOL) hahaha hahahahahahahahahhahaha i am so not going to respond i know its just a joke i could keep laughing til the end of the night oh and i voted for bale cus he had the most cunning and most physical prowess
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Post by jasontodd2 on Aug 12, 2005 7:07:47 GMT -5
I'd go with Christian Bale. He's young and was in great shape for the movie. Bale Batman would win for sure. hes younger and tougher, and seems darker and stronger. Sorry guys, but shouldn't we use movie situations to justify who we think should win? I think that's the best way to judge this- how each Batman handled himself in other fights- instead of who looks more physically fit. I'm with The Techno Bat all the way- from what I've seen of Bale's Batman, I'm not so sure if he could really beat Keaton. I shall continue to compare Bale's Batman in Begins to Keaton's Batman in Batman 1989 only. In both films, Batman is "just starting out." Christian Bale's Batman.... He is definitely skilled at fighting in the movie. He swiftly and easily takes out Falcone and Scarecrow's thugs. He beats the crap out of The League of Shadows ninjas toward the end. I'm not adding Ken Watanabe's "Ra's" here because Bruce is technically not Batman yet. When it comes to going up against the big shots, however, he needed an outside influence to help him. Without Alfred and Lucius Fox...he would be suffering through Scarecrow's fear gas and maybe his mind would be lost as well. You could argue that drugs shouldn't count, but in the comic Terror, Batman is hit by a fear toxin even stronger than what he's experienced before. Does he let the Scarecrow take him? Hell no, he pushes himself through it and scares the crap out of Scarecrow. Without Alfred, he would've burned to death in Wayne Manor. (I consider this as Batman because even though he wasn't wearing the suit, he still already has become Batman and besides, wearing the suit in Wayne Manor against Ra's and company would not have helped him). Without Gordon in the Batmobile, Ra's would have slaughtered him in the monorail after the "You're just an ordinary man in a cape!" speech. Michael Keaton's Batman.... The only time that Michael Keaton's Batman needed an outside influence was when he was in the alley and Vicki Vale took a photo just in time...and it's questionable in that scene whether or not Batman was really unconscious or deceiving them and secretly ready to strike. Otherwise...he, like Bale, beats down all the thugs that go after him, from the muggers on the rooftop to Napier's men in Axis Chemicals to Joker's men in the alley. And in terms of "toughness" the final confrontation says it all... Keaton's Batman: - survives a plane crash - walks over hundreds of stairs - escapes death by humongous church bell - kicks all the thugs' @$$es and absorbs all the blows given to him by the black thug - Unleashes his full fury on The Joker. Not to mention that after Joker gets lucky and cheats, Batman still has the arm strength to: - hold on to the railing the whole time - save Vicki when she falls after grabbing Joker's "hand" - shoot the bola at Joker - save Vicki once again. Because of that finale and that he is only "beaten" once in the film (that's if you count him being unconscious when the thugs shoot him in the alley), I think that Keaton is more independent, tougher, and has more physical endurance. His will, determination, and anger forces him to push through all the physical pain as he strives to save Gotham (okay, okay, Vicki Vale specifically in that ending) from The Joker. He never gives up and he never gets beaten. Bale's Batman gets beaten- as described above - and even considers giving up as he lies in the dumbwaiter. Thank God for Alfred and his pep talk. Honestly, I hope that Bale's Batman gets that very chance to shine like Keaton did in the sequels, so that I can say with confidence that he would win. Very Well said and I agree with it all. I think some people might be missing the point of this and I mean no offense, but this is a poll on which Batman would win in the Ultimate fight against each other. We are not comparing who the better fit actor is, or which actor would win, it's Batman vs Batman as shown in the movies, base your judgement and opinions off of how they were portrayed in the movie.
And to add to BatmAngelus's points in Batman 89 he also had alot to go through mentally as well, having to find an antidote for The Joker's Gas, knowing The Joker was Jack Napier, the guy who killed his parents (in this film anyway) and he still fought through it with all of the other stuff that happened to him as well. The Keaton Batman also displayed Detective Skills and played to his smarts a bit more in Batman 89, than any of the other films.
In Batman Returns The Keaton Batman showed his maturity and smarts as he was able to get the upper hand and not take as many blows as he did in Batman 89
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Post by The Demons Head on Aug 12, 2005 14:49:50 GMT -5
I would rather have Christian Bale win, because, he can fight and not look ridiculous (Here's looking at you, Clooney), and he approached the role of Batman/ Bruce Wayne the way he would any film; he doesn't look at the character as coming from a comic book, but, rather a world not unlike our own.
Secondly, I would pick him because he was the first Bruce Wayne that I enjoyed watching on-screen; whether it was the sequence of him in the hotel and eventually buying it, or, him talking with Alfred ("Bruce Wayne made it to page 6...'DRUNKEN BILLIONAIRE BURNS DOWN OWN HOME'..."). For me, he's the quintessential Batman, and Bruce Wayne.
That, and he's the first Batman to effectively use fear, which only happened maybe a handful of times in Keaton's Batman.
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Post by TheatreGirl on Aug 12, 2005 15:28:56 GMT -5
It seems that this fight is really between Bale and Keaton. There are reasons to pick and not to pick either of them. They should have a short film where Batman is schizophrenic and fights himself for three minutes. Starring: Michael Keaton and Christian Bale, it would answer the Ultimate Batman Question of the Moment. ;D just kidding... well, sort-of.
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Post by TheatreGirl on Aug 12, 2005 15:31:06 GMT -5
George Clooney: With his batsuit nipples showing, he'd easily be taken out by the dreaded purple nurple. Those can really hurt. lol
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Post by greg on Aug 12, 2005 18:21:20 GMT -5
Bale seemed as though he could fight more psychological with fear/shadows/etc. it would be a tuff fight, Keatons Batman was strong, i just have a feeling Bale would win. maybe because i like Bale more . ..
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 24, 2005 6:32:23 GMT -5
Bale. Keaton could put up a fight. West would just stand there saying it's not nice to hit people. Kilmer would chicken out like a pansy. & Clooney would try to blind him with his chin. Bale is the best.
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Post by The Demons Head on Aug 24, 2005 6:34:44 GMT -5
Wow... ;D I think that [that] deserves a Hero...I was going to suggest that Clooney try to attack Bale with bad-tasting hospital food, but, hey, anything could happen...
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Post by TheKingpun on Aug 27, 2005 17:40:18 GMT -5
I don't know who I'd pick, They all have their strengths.
West- He can get in a sneak attack when they're distracted by the "Pow" signs. And in all fairness, he was the only one without a fake muscle chestplate.
Keaton- He fights very defensively with a lot of blocks and redirection of attacks. Fancy moves don't work on solid walls.
Kilmer- Dare I say he seemed to be the fastest of the Batmen. He also knew how to work the cape well in a fight. He could easily out maneuver Michael Keaton.
Clooney- His apponent would drop dead after hearing too many bad lines.
Bale- He certainly is the scariest portrayal of all, but that won't help in this fight cause Batman knows no fear. Everyone does have a weakness though, and that's what Christian Bale's Batman could easily spot and exploit.
I'd rank them Bale, Kilmer, Keaton, and then Clooney and Adam West getting into a slappy fight.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 27, 2005 22:27:22 GMT -5
Kilmer- Dare I say he seemed to be the fastest of the Batmen. He also knew how to work the cape well in a fight. He could easily out maneuver Michael Keaton. You know, you just got me thinking...in Batman Forever, Batman's got, like, supernatural powers. Seriously, he drops from a great height and doesn't use anything to break his fall, yet he remains uninjured whenever he lands. This happens twice in the movie. Kilmer's Batman did get better chereographed fights than Keaton's Batman, though.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 29, 2005 8:40:39 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I just now noticed it. The thing about Kilmer. But I have a new theory on Adam West, etc.
Adam West- being all for fairness, apart from blinding everyone with POW! would bring in Robin, so it would be more of a fair fight. Then Robin, being trained by West, would try not to push anyone off a roof, or into the bay. And every 2 seconds a HOLYBATWORD, Batman!
Keaton- Lots of blocks etc. lots of Darkness, so you'd have to squint, to see the fight. But I think Michelle Pfiffer'd come along & distract him.
Kilmer- The fastest, seems imortal. Falling from buildings anyone? But he has Chris Oddonel to fight for him too, until Two-Face comes along, & then he tries to kill him.
Cloony- Apart from blinding them with his over sized chin. He would shout corney dialogue. Torture them with hospital food. Wear a blue Bat-suit. Have a girlfriend that is completely gay. & Then catch some disease from Poison Ivy 'cause he forgot plastic lips. Also he shocks/horiffies them with Bat-nipples.
Bale- The darkest, scariest, meanest Batman yet. Lots of shadows, tries to play on fear. Raspy voice to scare people by sneeking up behing them. No Robin to slow him down. Rachel Dawes! He would find their weaknesses to defeat them. Sneek up behind them in shadows, to get a few blows on 'em. But he can't sneek up on West. there never seems to be any shadows around West. [/glow]
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Post by BrodieBruce on Aug 29, 2005 10:13:46 GMT -5
This is weird,as my friend and I were having this same argument a few days ago... anyways,he is for Keaton,and I'm for Bale. we kinda settled it (for now),with who does the better "I'm Batman".I put it this way. what does Keaton do before he says it?he shuffles his feet and says it with a slight smile on his face.what does Bale do?he pulls somone thru a car roof,says it,then headbutts him.now thats hardcore
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 30, 2005 0:32:05 GMT -5
Indeed, also he wouldn't just hang a guy from a rope infront of police hq like others. Bale would look evil "Hey, Can You Fly!" And drop him off.
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Post by BrodieBruce on Sept 1, 2005 3:16:00 GMT -5
also,one of them was Patrick Bateman,the other was Mr Mom....
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Post by Mr. Terrific on Sept 3, 2005 15:43:05 GMT -5
The Bale Batman versus the Keaton Batman: I say tie. I loved both movies equally I think they could beat each other. As for Joel Shumacher's rape of the series...they wouldn't stand a chance on a cold day in hell.
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Post by MANBAT on Sept 3, 2005 18:17:33 GMT -5
slight nod to Keaton over Bale. Would like to see Keaton back in Worlds Finest or DKR film.
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Post by J-Man on Sept 3, 2005 20:25:15 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Christian Bale is, imo, the best on screen Batman I've ever seen. The thing of it is, it's probably because his selection as Batman is the only one that's ever made sense to me. Years ago, when they first talked about a new Batman film, Bale was at the top of my list (and surprisingly, I hadn't seen any of his films, this was just based on looks alone). If I was able to comprehend things back in 1989, I wouldn't get why Burton cast Michael Keaton. He was scrawny, he had never done a serious role before, and he was too (and still is) jumpy/ comical. Val Kilmer was too husky and monotonous. George Clooney was only chosen for his popularity. Bale, though, had none of those problems. He looked it and he had the acting chops to prove himself Batman worthy.
If these guys were to duke it out, Bale would win because he was the only one with the body, the brains and the knowledge of Batman. All of the other actors went in blindly and came back out with a blurred perception at best. Bale knocks them dead.[/shadow]
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Sept 3, 2005 22:17:18 GMT -5
Here is a Hero. Out of all of these that I have read on this thread, this is one that completely sold me 100% that he would win. I was at 95% before. A well thought out, convincing argument.
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 3, 2005 22:17:38 GMT -5
When I was little, my favorite Batman was Val Kilmer, because he looked the most like Wayne. But now Bale is the #1 Bat, not just of looks, but of the way he played both Wayne and Batman(AWESOME!). Keaton wasn't really a good choice for the 1st one. Just like the J-Man said, too skrawny.
And Clooney? *shudder* GET OUT OF MY HEAD CLOONEY! AHH!
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Post by enchantaurora on Sept 6, 2005 7:50:37 GMT -5
I think it would be a solid tie between Bale and Keaton. Yes Bale's Batman is younger and in a lot better shape, but Keaton's Batman has been around the block a few times; he has more experience, he's faced more foes, and he's a bit more mature. I think that would even things up.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Sept 6, 2005 18:53:11 GMT -5
^ That's pretty well thought out. You deserve a hero for that, my dear. Bale has the advantage of youth and strength, but Keaton definitely has more experience and, IMO, is much tougher. In my mind, it would be pretty close, but with Keaton as the winner.
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