Post by BatmAngelus on Aug 17, 2005 23:23:38 GMT -5
;D No list required.
Again, this is not a casting thread. That's what the "Harvey Dent Casting" thread is for.
Anyways, let's not forget that Joker's not going to be the only new character entering the mix in BB2. With Carl Finch dead and Rachel Dawes having a 50/50 chance of remaining alive/in Gotham, Gotham's going to need a new D.A.
Here's a few things I'd like to know:
- Is age a factor? Is it important that Harvey be around Bruce's age?
- Is ethnicity a factor? Denzel Washington seems to be a popular choice and I've heard Jamie Foxx's name brought up in fan speculation threads.
- Should Harvey and Bruce Wayne be friends? Would you want them to become friends in the movie or have been friends through either childhood or as college roomates in whatever Ivy League school Bruce dropped out of.
- How would you deal with the Two-Face aspect of the character during the second film- when Harvey Dent hasn't been scarred yet?
- What do you think the plot for BB 3 should be with Two-Face? Sure, Goyer said that he'd have Joker scar Dent, but who would you pick to do it and how would that overall affect Two-Face's plot?
- I myself think that Harvey and Bruce should be friends who met each other as room mates (so they're around the same age) in one of the various Ivy Leagues that Bruce dropped out of. Bruce went off to Gotham to the Joe Chill hearing and Harvey became a top crime busting lawyer in Chicago. He moves to his hometown in Gotham to try to get things straight, but realizes that he's not in Chicago anymore and the stakes here are much higher.
- My rule on changing a character's ethnicity is that...if the best actor for the role happens to be of a different race, then cast him. If there are other actors who could play the role just as good, if not better, and look closer to the comic book character then try for those guys instead. Not being a bigot here and I'm sure you guys understand where I'm coming from.
Needless to say, I think that there's a fine amount of Caucasian actors who could do the role justice.
- I wouldn't completely ignore the upcoming Two-Face side. I think Harvey Dent should be good looking, but also intense looking. As if he knows something you don't. Or something disturbing's on his mind. Yet when you talk to him, he seems like an ordinary guy. It's that quality that I look for in actors when speculating on who I want for Harvey Dent. This provides a smoother transition from hero to villain. I'd rather not have some great looking guy who looks happy all the time and then...surprise...he becomes completely evil just because he's got acid burns on half of his face. I don't think that's as realistic as an on-the-edge Harvey Dent, whose stress level is correlated to the rise of crime in his city.
He's also got pent up rage inside of him. I'd like to see some of the origin stuff. He was abused by his father as a child. Perhaps he was bullied by kids. Perhaps a reason why he kept that rage inside him instead of letting it all out. Either way, he's trying to escape his past, but his past keeps coming back to him. This contributes even more toward his transformation into Two-Face as his pent up rage will manifest itself.
- I could live with Joker scarring Harvey, but I would prefer it to be a mobster. Falcone, Maroni, Thorne....any of them. I'd love to see the "Fall of the Mob, Rise of the Freaks" dynamic in The Long Halloween that has already been sparked in Batman Begins. I'd rather see the mob inadvertantly create their worst Freak enemy than a freak creating another freak.
That said, I'd like to see Two-Face going after gangsters and killing them in creative ways. Not exactly a villain version of The Punisher, but a man with his own sense of justice mixed with vengeance. This is the better more satisfying way of taking down crime to him than in his office and in the court rooms. For example, he could go after Judge Faden. Tie him up. Two-Face flips a coin. Scarred side. He throws Faden into the Narrows with all the psychos that he let go to Arkham and all the criminals that he had a hand in setting free.
Possibly more ideas to come later. Let's not forget that Harvey is going to become Two-Face and no matter how many qualities we'll look for in an actor, that actor will have to believably transform into a villain.
Again, this is not a casting thread. That's what the "Harvey Dent Casting" thread is for.
Anyways, let's not forget that Joker's not going to be the only new character entering the mix in BB2. With Carl Finch dead and Rachel Dawes having a 50/50 chance of remaining alive/in Gotham, Gotham's going to need a new D.A.
Here's a few things I'd like to know:
- Is age a factor? Is it important that Harvey be around Bruce's age?
- Is ethnicity a factor? Denzel Washington seems to be a popular choice and I've heard Jamie Foxx's name brought up in fan speculation threads.
- Should Harvey and Bruce Wayne be friends? Would you want them to become friends in the movie or have been friends through either childhood or as college roomates in whatever Ivy League school Bruce dropped out of.
- How would you deal with the Two-Face aspect of the character during the second film- when Harvey Dent hasn't been scarred yet?
- What do you think the plot for BB 3 should be with Two-Face? Sure, Goyer said that he'd have Joker scar Dent, but who would you pick to do it and how would that overall affect Two-Face's plot?
- I myself think that Harvey and Bruce should be friends who met each other as room mates (so they're around the same age) in one of the various Ivy Leagues that Bruce dropped out of. Bruce went off to Gotham to the Joe Chill hearing and Harvey became a top crime busting lawyer in Chicago. He moves to his hometown in Gotham to try to get things straight, but realizes that he's not in Chicago anymore and the stakes here are much higher.
- My rule on changing a character's ethnicity is that...if the best actor for the role happens to be of a different race, then cast him. If there are other actors who could play the role just as good, if not better, and look closer to the comic book character then try for those guys instead. Not being a bigot here and I'm sure you guys understand where I'm coming from.
Needless to say, I think that there's a fine amount of Caucasian actors who could do the role justice.
- I wouldn't completely ignore the upcoming Two-Face side. I think Harvey Dent should be good looking, but also intense looking. As if he knows something you don't. Or something disturbing's on his mind. Yet when you talk to him, he seems like an ordinary guy. It's that quality that I look for in actors when speculating on who I want for Harvey Dent. This provides a smoother transition from hero to villain. I'd rather not have some great looking guy who looks happy all the time and then...surprise...he becomes completely evil just because he's got acid burns on half of his face. I don't think that's as realistic as an on-the-edge Harvey Dent, whose stress level is correlated to the rise of crime in his city.
He's also got pent up rage inside of him. I'd like to see some of the origin stuff. He was abused by his father as a child. Perhaps he was bullied by kids. Perhaps a reason why he kept that rage inside him instead of letting it all out. Either way, he's trying to escape his past, but his past keeps coming back to him. This contributes even more toward his transformation into Two-Face as his pent up rage will manifest itself.
- I could live with Joker scarring Harvey, but I would prefer it to be a mobster. Falcone, Maroni, Thorne....any of them. I'd love to see the "Fall of the Mob, Rise of the Freaks" dynamic in The Long Halloween that has already been sparked in Batman Begins. I'd rather see the mob inadvertantly create their worst Freak enemy than a freak creating another freak.
That said, I'd like to see Two-Face going after gangsters and killing them in creative ways. Not exactly a villain version of The Punisher, but a man with his own sense of justice mixed with vengeance. This is the better more satisfying way of taking down crime to him than in his office and in the court rooms. For example, he could go after Judge Faden. Tie him up. Two-Face flips a coin. Scarred side. He throws Faden into the Narrows with all the psychos that he let go to Arkham and all the criminals that he had a hand in setting free.
Possibly more ideas to come later. Let's not forget that Harvey is going to become Two-Face and no matter how many qualities we'll look for in an actor, that actor will have to believably transform into a villain.