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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 5, 2005 16:26:29 GMT -5
No, they haven't announced Robin for the sequel, but in future sequels, who would you like to see play the Boy Wonder? I'll have to do some research for this one.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 5, 2005 20:12:00 GMT -5
It would have to go to a talented unknown with a diverse acting range and athletic skills. He would be in his teens during the 2010s. Preferrably someone around 5'10" with black hair and has a resemblance to Christian Bale.
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Post by Batman Prevails on Dec 6, 2005 1:55:21 GMT -5
NO Robin please. It doesn't work in the movies. Personally I thought Chris O' Donnel was great in Batman Forever but the new franchise works better without a Robin.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 6, 2005 16:56:54 GMT -5
I think that Robin could work if done right. Such as if Dick Grayson, it should be more tragic & over the coarse of the film The Batman gradually accepts him. But i believe the phrase "Get lost kid!" are in order. But, i think Jason Todd would fit a little better in this series. Jason was much more um... how do I put this? Hmmm.... I'll get back to that. But, slightly alter his Post-crisis origin (Batman #408) & Presto! Instant Robin in a box! & of coarse it MUST take The Batman a long while before he accepts him. & then in the next one after Batman finally accepts him. HE DIES. The Joker with a crowbar, but not in some Middle Eastern Country.
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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 6, 2005 18:30:39 GMT -5
Well, if they made it like All Star, meaning keep Batman a "Dark" Knight even with Robin, then we can work Robin in. And I believe Dick Grayson should always be Robin if he gets in the movies.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 6, 2005 18:35:09 GMT -5
Well, if they made it like All Star, meaning keep Batman a "Dark" Knight even with Robin, then we can work Robin in. And I believe Dick Grayson should always be Robin if he gets in the movies. Excellent thinking, Batfan! Very good! Infact I believe you have won me over to the Dark Side of the fan theories/ beliefs!
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 6, 2005 18:36:45 GMT -5
NO Robin please. It doesn't work in the movies. Personally I thought Chris O' Donnel was great in Batman Forever but the new franchise works better without a Robin. How so? If done well (and I have faith that Nolan and Goyer can pull it off extremely well), it would add depth and development for the Batman character.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 6, 2005 18:49:22 GMT -5
NO Robin please. It doesn't work in the movies. Personally I thought Chris O' Donnel was great in Batman Forever but the new franchise works better without a Robin. How so? If done well (and I have faith that Nolan and Goyer can pull it off extremely well), it would add depth and development for the Batman character. I just thought of something, that would add a bit of depth, such as. Batman corners a thug, or a major villian, lets say, The Joker. Late in the movie. After all the pain the Joker causes he drives Batman off the deep end. The Batman pounds the *censored* out of him. Robin stands behind in shock, & horror! The Joker begs for death, or screams in pain & agony. Hearing muffled cries, or some kind of noise, he looks over his should where he sees Robin horrified. The Batman releases his grip on the bloody, piece of pulp that is The Joker. A sound of aproaching sirens. & the rest is a bit foggy in my mind. I'll think of something
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 6, 2005 20:06:20 GMT -5
^ Not exactly what I meant, but good speculation ;D
Here's how I see it: Robin will humanize Batman. Make him more of a compassionate character and not just “I’m a badass dark loner who fights people and that’s all I’ll be for the rest of this series.” He’ll know exactly what Grayson is going through and try to comfort him through the time because he knows that’s what the boy needs.
This is when a kid’s show succeeds over Frank Miller’s work in Batman. In BTAS, Bruce Wayne had some very touching moments with young D1ck Grayson in the two parter of “Robin’s Reckoning.” It simply adds to Bruce’s heroism as well, seeing him basically save a boy’s soul in a different way from growling at his enemies or beating the crap out of them. All Star Batman and Robin, however, had Batman slap and try to scare the grief out of Grayson. Frankly it didn’t make sense to me. He was trying to stop Grayson from grieving, but why? “Grief forgives that which should never be forgiven.” As someone who has suffered before, I severely beg to differ. If anything, a victim’s grief prevents that victim from even wanting to forgive the person who wronged them. Interesting idea, Mr. Miller, but not anything I’d want to see ever again.
When they have the Grayson murders in the film, I’d love to see a bit of a follow-up of the Wayne murders aftermath in Batman Begins. Police cars crowd the circus. D1ck Grayson sits alone, still in shock. Amidst the police lights, Bruce Wayne stands there in a suit and a long black coat. He walks up to Grayson and, like Jim Gordon years ago, he places the coat over Grayson’s shoulders. Grayson looks up to see Bruce, who whispers, “It’s okay….Don’t be afraid” just like Bruce’s father had said to him before he died. I think that would be a very touching reference to Batman Begins as well as establish a meeting between Bruce (not Batman) and thingy from the beginning, a rather awkward moment that many authors have avoided, including Bob Kane and Bill Finger in the original Robin story and Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale in Dark Victory.
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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 7, 2005 18:12:14 GMT -5
I know he's a little old but how about Liam Aiken: I can see it.
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Post by J-Man on Dec 9, 2005 20:43:54 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]By the time Robin actually makes it to the new series, anyone we could possible see filling the role will be well aged (roughly in their twenties, anyway), I'd imagine. So I'm going for a total unknown at this point.[/shadow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 10, 2005 17:22:36 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]By the time Robin actually makes it to the new series, anyone we could possible see filling the role will be well aged (roughly in their twenties, anyway), I'd imagine. So I'm going for a total unknown at this point.[/shadow] ^good idea. But i wonder about this Akin guy. But, i can't see the picture.
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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 10, 2005 18:02:29 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]By the time Robin actually makes it to the new series, anyone we could possible see filling the role will be well aged (roughly in their twenties, anyway), I'd imagine. So I'm going for a total unknown at this point.[/shadow] ^good idea. But i wonder about this Akin guy. But, i can't see the picture. Hmm, not sure why that happened. Here's the site where I got the pic: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_AikenHe's that one kid from the Lemony Snicket movie.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Dec 10, 2005 18:44:48 GMT -5
I personally wouldnt like to see him coming in anything soon and Im not sure who could play Robin, its a tough call, not too many new young stars
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 11, 2005 16:48:34 GMT -5
If he was still the same age as he was when he did Road to Perdition, I would've picked Tyler Hoechlin (Liam Aiken played his younger brother). He looked very much like Dick Grayson. Had a dark look. Acted quite well opposite Tom Hanks. Unfortunately, he's too old now to play a young, mid-teens Robin in 2011 or so. Road to Perdition: kyerworkshop.com/img/tyler.jpgNow: dreamick.com/images/_tyler_hoechlin_7.jpg
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Post by the batman on Dec 13, 2005 5:41:43 GMT -5
yeah i think that he'll be good as robin
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Post by jasontodd2 on Dec 15, 2005 0:28:27 GMT -5
If they ever cast Robin into the franchise they have to go with a teenage kid between the age of 13-16. It will most likely be an unknown, and as much as Jason Todd would fit into the Nolan films you MUST introduce Dick Grayson first.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 21, 2005 19:05:30 GMT -5
If Jason Todd must be in the series, then let him be the Narrows Kid. It makes sense since Jason, in the comics, grew up in a tough and poor neighborhood. Plus, I think his involvement in the Begins storyline is a more fitting introduction for a Robin than Jason attempting to steal a wheel from the Batmobile (and if they keep the Tumbler throughout the films, I doubt that introduction would make a lot of sense).
But yes, it should definitely be Dick Grayson, preferrably with a Dark Victory-style origin in which the focus remains on Bruce/Batman and the effect that Grayson has on him.
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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 22, 2005 21:27:43 GMT -5
If Jason Todd must be in the series, then let him be the Narrows Kid. It makes sense since Jason, in the comics, grew up in a tough and poor neighborhood. Plus, I think his involvement in the Begins storyline is a more fitting introduction for a Robin than Jason attempting to steal a wheel from the Batmobile (and if they keep the Tumbler throughout the films, I doubt that introduction would make a lot of sense). But yes, it should definitely be Dick Grayson, preferrably with a Dark Victory-style origin in which the focus remains on Bruce/Batman and the effect that Grayson has on him. That's what I said about Todd. He could be the narrows kid.
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Post by wetstereorebel on Dec 22, 2005 22:38:01 GMT -5
A guy that I work with told me his theory, which was Robin as the Narrows kid, and I blew him off, telling him his idea made no sense. I was thinking of Grayson, obviously. It never occurred to me to put Jason Todd in. If they go with Todd, then the Narrows kid IS a perfect choice. Maybe not the actual actor, mind you, unless in the next few years he grows less weird looking.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 23, 2005 16:56:19 GMT -5
That's what I said about Todd. He could be the narrows kid. Of course. I was elaborating on that idea ;D Here's how I see them protraying Robin in this series: It is hardly realistic for Batman to have a reliable 12-year old partner. But what would be realistic would be a “trainee.”From age 12 to age 21, Grayson would be undergoing training and apprenticeship from Batman himself. Sure, he has the physical skills from growing up in the circus. But he also would need years of training his mind as well. As Grayson grows up in school, he additionally studies criminology, psychology, forensics, and the like. He becomes a whiz on the Batcomputer and if Batman ever needs information, he contacts D1ck for the info without having to go all the way back to the Batcave. At age 16, Grayson is allowed to drive the Batmobile in emergency situations (i.e. Gordon at the end of Batman Begins). But Grayson would stay out of “the field” and out of combat with the likes of Joker and Two-Face until he becomes an adult at 21 years of age. This is pretty similar to the BTAS take in which Bruce adopted Grayson when the boy was 12 years old, but we never saw Grayson in costume until he was in college. I think the best way to do it would be like this… One film (I'd prefer the third or fourth one): The Robin origin and establishment that Batman will train Grayson to be a crimefighter. Next film: Grayson is a “trainee” who helps Batman when he can, but stays out of the field. Next film: Grayson is now officially Robin at 21 years old. He is now a partner, able to go into combat with the enemies. His quick stealthy moves make criminals believe that there is now more than one Batman out there. And thus the urban legend factor increases. As for the costume, I can see it done like how Batman's was done: take a cue from how it was done before, but better. Bale's Batman suit looks like the same material as the previous films' suits (and looks very much like the Batman Forever sonar suit, I might add), but the material allowed for more flexibility and the design was different. Why not do the same for Robin with the Batman Forever Robin suit? Remove the nipples (heck, do away with the entire "anatomically correct" torso). Darken the red into blood red or crimson (think Daredevil). Take out the yellow and simply make the cape all black. I've been attempting to find alternatives for the mask, but I ultimately came to realize that you need to keep the Zorro mask. Bruce Wayne doesn't cover his mouth- he's lucky he doesn't have any distinguishing marks. What if he gets a zit? Or cuts himself shaving? This is also the same universe in which Superman exists...I don't need to get into that one. Keep the Zorro mask on Grayson (I think the one used in the Schumacher films was fine anyways), change the actor's hair (like between Clark Kent and Superman in the Superman films), and have the actor change his voice into a dark and raspy voice. Add the typical suspension of disbelief from the audience and you've got a believable Robin in a Nolan film. That said, anybody want to do some artwork to emulate that? ;D
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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 23, 2005 19:05:35 GMT -5
I don't know. I think Robin should still be a teenager or at least 12, like in All Star.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 23, 2005 23:33:24 GMT -5
That may be true to the comics, but onscreen in live action I just can't see it. There's a reason why Douglas Croft was the only pre-teen Robin. While I believe in "suspension of belief" in these films, I think anti-Robin fanboys have a point in saying that a sidekick that young is hardly realistic. Not only is the boy in danger, but he (because of his size) hardly evokes an intimidating factor which is what Batman is based off of. As a pro-Robin supporter, I have to acknowledge that it's a pretty strong point. What I proposed above is an easy way to get around that, stay true to a popular protrayal (most non-fans that I know retain their Batman knowledge from what they've seen in BTAS), and add something new to the mythos (Grayson under years, instead of weeks or months, of training under Batman).
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Post by The Dark Knight on Dec 25, 2005 19:44:36 GMT -5
I dont think Robin should be introduced anytime soon. Keeping the story based on Bruce Wayne will keep the director's in contact with the big picture
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 25, 2005 20:04:05 GMT -5
You can still keep the film very much about Bruce Wayne by adding Robin in. I'm mainly interested in Grayson's effect on Bruce Wayne and how it developed Wayne's character. It was done well in Dark Victory, in which the inclusion of Robin didn't have any effect on the story's focus on Batman. It was still very much a Batman story with Robin in it. Not a Batman story that suddenly became Robin's show after the Graysons died. Nolan and Goyer are fully capable of doing what Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale did, no matter how sooner or later Robin comes into this series.
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Post by DBrennan3333 on Jan 16, 2006 2:18:17 GMT -5
Christopher Nolan has said that he's not too excited about the prospect of having Robin in the series, and that the earliest he would appear would be the third picture. He went on to say that Frankie Muniz typified the characteristics he'd want in the part.
I agree with BatmAngelus that the best way to incoroporate Robin would have Dick prove his worth by being an information expert (hacker) for Batman, and then he could slowly work his way into the physical role. Perhaps it could even be like Tim Drake's intro as Robin in 'Batman' #455-457 where Batman was in trouble and Tim took the initiative and proved himself courageous, capable, and intelligent.
As far as Robin's outfit, well, amidst the blitzkrieg of incompetence that was Joel Schumacher's run on Batman, there was one little corner of goodness, and that was the costume for Robin. It was taken directly from the comics, and I thought it was perfect.
(It's funny that so many of you thought that the kid in the Narrows might be Jason Todd. I'm a huge fan but I never realized it until my brother suggested it.)
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Post by J-Man on Jan 16, 2006 13:08:06 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I think, if Robin is introduced, they should wait until the fourth movie. I think this new Batman franchise should be taken in trilogies, with 1-3 about Batman's uprising in Gotham, and 4-6 expanding on that with Robin and possibly Batgirl by the 6th or 7th installment.
I think that Robin's origin needs to be done right, and there's really nothing that tells me Nolan can or can't do it. I think it needs to be faithful to the comics, and the first Robin has to be Dick Grayson.
I was very happy with how it was done on B:TAS, and I wish they would somehow incorporate elements from that story into a film. Robin should start out at roughly 13-15 years old, and really shouldn't be "Robin" until his second film appearance. They moved too fast with "Batman Forever," and major characters like Robin need time to evolve in order to work.[/shadow]
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Post by /\/\att on Jan 17, 2006 0:59:11 GMT -5
I'm not sure that I have any interest in seeing Robin in this series of films at this time or any other time for that matter. I'm just a little nervous about them getting it right
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Post by Faithfulbutler on Jan 17, 2006 20:53:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure that I have any interest in seeing Robin in this series of films at this time or any other time for that matter. I'm just a little nervous about them getting it right I agree all the way,i have nothing at all against the Robin character in fact i've always liked him[in the Comics anyways,not O'Donnell]and would prefer that Bale stays alone for now. One thing that really bugged me about BF and B&R was it just got"too crowded"with Heroes and helpers.Keep it simple and let Batman do what he does best,work alone,with Alfred maintaining his conscience and sanity of course and Gordon giving the little assists where needed.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 18, 2006 10:28:54 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I think, if Robin is introduced, they should wait until the fourth movie. I think this new Batman franchise should be taken in trilogies, with 1-3 about Batman's uprising in Gotham, and 4-6 expanding on that with Robin and possibly Batgirl by the 6th or 7th installment.
I think that Robin's origin needs to be done right, and there's really nothing that tells me Nolan can or can't do it. I think it needs to be faithful to the comics, and the first Robin has to be Dick Grayson.
I was very happy with how it was done on B:TAS, and I wish they would somehow incorporate elements from that story into a film. Robin should start out at roughly 13-15 years old, and really shouldn't be "Robin" until his second film appearance. They moved too fast with "Batman Forever," and major characters like Robin need time to evolve in order to work.[/shadow] Great points, I really enjoyed B:TAS and how Robin's origin was told, and that is the way it should go with the movies, because not only will it be done right that way, but it will bring the fans back to see the other movies, because alot of fans will want to finally see Robin in the movie.
I think the best portrayal of Robin in any way, was that of Burt Ward, who was 18-19 when he first took on the role of Robin, and was made to be 16 in the tv series, if they could find an unknown like a Burt Ward quality, I think it would work. And it has to be Dick Grayson being introduced, but perhaps throwing all the traits each Robin has, into one part, and what I mean is have Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, and Tim Drake whipped into one character, because if the Bat-Franchise can go 4 maybe 5 films I doubt they would even bother introducing another Robin into the film and let Nightwing be introduced. And they have to go with the new look Robin costume in the comics today
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