Oswald Cobblepot
Legions of Gotham Police Officer
A penguin is the bird that cannot fly! I am a man! i have a name!... Oswald Cobblepot!
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Post by Oswald Cobblepot on Jan 20, 2008 13:09:25 GMT -5
Does anybody here know what the jokers real name is? i don't? out of all the comic books i read and movies i watched they never said what he's real name is? so I'm hoping they will tell us in The Dark Knight film. if you know what hes real name is please tell me.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 20, 2008 13:26:15 GMT -5
He has no name, and that's the way I think it should stay.
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Post by blackmask on Jan 20, 2008 15:26:44 GMT -5
Does anybody here know what the jokers real name is? i don't? out of all the comic books i read and movies i watched they never said what he's real name is? so I'm hoping they will tell us in The Dark Knight film. if you know what hes real name is please tell me. First off, I don't think this is the right place for this question, but to answer your question, his name is unkown, although if you asked him he would probably improvise a life story. lol
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Post by electri on Jan 20, 2008 15:36:35 GMT -5
it should be kept unknown because then he's mysterious and I hope they never say who he is in the comics so he will be mysterious forever but in BATMAN 1989 he's called JACK but thats just for the film
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Post by MuksC on Jan 20, 2008 16:03:51 GMT -5
for sure in The Dark Knight movie he won't have a name. it's already explained in the trailer: "no ID, no other aliases, custom clothing" etc. he will simply be known as "The Joker".
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 20, 2008 17:40:40 GMT -5
in the 1989 tim burton film he was known as Jack Napier. He was also referred t as such in one episode of Batman; The Animated Series. IN Batman: Confidential he known simply as Jack. But in regular continuity he has no name and thank god for it.
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Post by megagents on Jan 20, 2008 19:20:52 GMT -5
I respect that you guys want to keep his name unknown but unless I'm wrong, didn't he have a criminal background before her was The Joker? Shouldn't Arkham have records of his name and shouldn't former accomplices know who he is? I don't think giving him a name would diminish his character, Joker has already discarded his pass life so it wouldn't affect him in any way.
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 21, 2008 5:32:01 GMT -5
I respect that you guys want to keep his name unknown but unless I'm wrong, didn't he have a criminal background before her was The Joker? Shouldn't Arkham have records of his name and shouldn't former accomplices know who he is? I don't think giving him a name would diminish his character, Joker has already discarded his pass life so it wouldn't affect him in any way. All depends on what continuity you choose to follow and how you personally see the character, and how YOU alone see him. Joker of course HAS a real name and a past... we just havnt been given more than hints and teases. Even that may or may not be truthful at this point.
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Post by blackmask on Jan 21, 2008 13:51:35 GMT -5
I respect that you guys want to keep his name unknown but unless I'm wrong, didn't he have a criminal background before her was The Joker? Shouldn't Arkham have records of his name and shouldn't former accomplices know who he is? I don't think giving him a name would diminish his character, Joker has already discarded his pass life so it wouldn't affect him in any way. He pretty much killed all his former acompices. And his dip in the chemical bath made him completely unrecodniseable. All that Batman knows about him is that he was the red hood.
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Post by MuksC on Jan 21, 2008 18:17:17 GMT -5
are you sure he had a dip in the chemical bath in TDK? that's what I think Robert was referring to, that in the Nolan universe, Arkham would have some records on him and his past life.
but it looks like he just "appears" at the end of Begins, and then his life continues in TDK, we won't learn anything more about him.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 21, 2008 19:06:26 GMT -5
Robert brought up that Arkham should have his records. But we don't really have any evidence to show that Joker was in Arkham during the Narrows attack. Like some of us have speculated, we've thought that Joker was just a normal guy living in the Narrows when the fear gas hit and then he saw Batman, and went crazy. Also, I think this could clear things up: www.dccomics.com/heroes_and_villains/?hv=origin_stories/joker
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Post by jlavaia on Jan 22, 2008 10:20:46 GMT -5
in the 1989 tim burton film he was known as Jack Napier. He was also referred t as such in one episode of Batman; The Animated Series. IN Batman: Confidential he known simply as Jack. But in regular continuity he has no name and thank god for it. Batman: Confidential is in regular continuity.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 22, 2008 17:07:09 GMT -5
since when?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 22, 2008 17:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 22, 2008 17:30:53 GMT -5
i thought it was more like lotdk or all star?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 22, 2008 18:31:04 GMT -5
i thought it was more like lotdk or all star? It is like LoTDK being a series with revolving teams, except the stories are in continuity.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 22, 2008 19:00:51 GMT -5
hmmm, not sure i like that idea, especially with them re-doing joker's origin AGAIN
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 22, 2008 19:42:07 GMT -5
hmmm, not sure i like that idea, especially with them re-doing joker's origin AGAIN Let me remind you of what Joker said in The Killing Joke: "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice." So if you don't like this one, there's still the Killing Joke.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 22, 2008 20:09:51 GMT -5
believe me pal, i don't need to be reminded about the killing joke, it's a classic. but this isn't being told from the joker's point of view, it's not one of his 'multiple choices', it's being told from the 3rd person. AND they give him a f*cking name, i hate that
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 22, 2008 20:39:25 GMT -5
believe me pal, i don't need to be reminded about the killing joke, it's a classic. but this isn't being told from the joker's point of view, it's not one of his 'multiple choices', it's being told from the 3rd person. AND they give him a f*cking name, i hate that Technically he's only been called "Jack" and that's not a whole name. It could be an alias.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 22, 2008 20:57:23 GMT -5
still dude, hate that
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jan 23, 2008 14:37:14 GMT -5
Choose your origin. Heck, you can make one up yourself. Joker doesn't like to be constrained by a past or a life before the Joker. I think it is brilliant that he has never been given an absolute definitive origin. Nothing that could have happened would possibly justify what he has become.
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Post by blackmask on Jan 23, 2008 19:47:45 GMT -5
are you sure he had a dip in the chemical bath in TDK? that's what I think Robert was referring to, that in the Nolan universe, Arkham would have some records on him and his past life. but it looks like he just "appears" at the end of Begins, and then his life continues in TDK, we won't learn anything more about him. he just asked what his name was, not what his name was in the movie, by the way, the comercial makes it clear that they have no way to identify him.
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Post by blackmask on Jan 23, 2008 19:51:46 GMT -5
OK can we get something strait here, is the question about the movie or the comic books?
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 23, 2008 20:42:51 GMT -5
Exactly how and why? Arkham staff would have no more information about the Joker or his life than whatever (if anything) the authorities were able to give them upon admission. Or, whatever (if anything) the Joker himself would volunteer to Arkham staff, or whatever they could deduce or extract from him while being incarcerated and treated there. Which could all be next to nothing, or nothing that could be guaranteed as fact. This goes for Joker whether in the movies or comics etc. However; I would like to think Batman would be capable of identifying the Joker or piecing some truth together about his life if he set out to (which the Batman in my mind would).
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 23, 2008 22:46:19 GMT -5
believe me pal, i don't need to be reminded about the killing joke, it's a classic. but this isn't being told from the joker's point of view, it's not one of his 'multiple choices', it's being told from the 3rd person. AND they give him a f*cking name, i hate that Since it isn't one of his stories than it's considered absolute reality. Even TKJ didn't flesh out the entire story. Most of it was set years later, it was more about the Joker's psyche rather than his origin. Besides, just because someone's called "Jack" doesn't make it his name. I once had someone call me William, but that doesn't mean it's my name. So he still doesn't have a name.
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Post by electri on Feb 13, 2008 13:11:16 GMT -5
good point arkhamimate vergood point
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Oswald Cobblepot
Legions of Gotham Police Officer
A penguin is the bird that cannot fly! I am a man! i have a name!... Oswald Cobblepot!
Posts: 100
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Post by Oswald Cobblepot on Feb 13, 2008 19:23:14 GMT -5
OK can we get something strait here, is the question about the movie or the comic books? the question was about the movies, but know i remember that they just called him Jack in the Tim Burton film. i was just asking because every other villain has a real name and Joker doesn't. But if its a mystery then I'm OK with it.
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Post by Eric on Feb 13, 2008 20:46:40 GMT -5
OK can we get something strait here, is the question about the movie or the comic books? the question was about the movies, but know i remember that they just called him Jack in the Tim Burton film. i was just asking because every other villain has a real name and Joker doesn't. But if its a mystery then I'm OK with it. Actually he's Jack Napier in Batman89. Its said many times thruout the movie and is also on the police file and wanted poster.
This is also the name used for B:TAS. Dreams in Darkness episode where Dr. Bartholomew is mentioning some of the rogues true identities.
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Post by blackmask on Feb 20, 2008 22:25:42 GMT -5
OK can we get something strait here, is the question about the movie or the comic books? the question was about the movies, but know i remember that they just called him Jack in the Tim Burton film. i was just asking because every other villain has a real name and Joker doesn't. But if its a mystery then I'm OK with it. Every other villain in the movies does you mean.
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