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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 12, 2004 15:38:23 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]Post any and all of your comments on the newest issue of Nightwing by the talented Ms. Devin Grayson right here.
Written by Devin Grayson; art and cover by Patrick Zircher and Andy Owens
The final chapter in the year-long saga that has seen Nightwing lose his job, his love, his home and several of his closest friends! Tonight, it's just Nightwing vs. Blockbuster - the deadliest of adversaries in their final face-off. This is an issue people will be talking about for years - don't miss this shocking story!
BATMAN | 32pg. | Color | $2.25
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Post by Drew on May 12, 2004 15:40:59 GMT -5
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Post by Darknight on May 13, 2004 10:19:31 GMT -5
This was an unbelievable story. After all the loss that Nightwing has been through, Blockbuster takes away the last thing that he truely has. This is a must read for even the casual comic reader.
Spoiler Warning Read ahead with Caution
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Anyone think that this may cause Dick to quit for a while, or force Bruce to make him quit. How different is what he did from what Jean Paul did to Abattoir?
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 13, 2004 11:51:21 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]I don't think Bruce will make him quit, but Dick's own guilt might. [/glow]
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Post by Drew on May 13, 2004 14:11:34 GMT -5
[glow=teal,2,300]Yeah, he was really freakin' out about it [/glow]
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Post by Punisher on May 13, 2004 16:32:13 GMT -5
I'm glad Nightwing let Tarantula do it. It isn't believable that he'd just lock Blockbuster up like Batman does with the Joker. Nightwing took it personally and it makes him a lot more human than Batman has been portrayed in recent years, shrugging off the deaths of Jason Todd, and Sarah Essen and still just locking Joker up.
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Post by Darknight on May 14, 2004 8:52:10 GMT -5
I'm glad Nightwing let Tarantula do it. It isn't believable that he'd just lock Blockbuster up like Batman does with the Joker. Nightwing took it personally and it makes him a lot more human than Batman has been portrayed in recent years, shrugging off the deaths of Jason Todd, and Sarah Essen and still just locking Joker up. Did you read Knightquest and Knightsend? A main selling point for getting rid of Jean Paul was that he did nothing to save Abbattoir. All life is sacred. The heroes took an oath to do what they can stem the loss of life. Now, Nightwing has broken that. That is what made this such a great issue, Blockbuster made Nightwing rethink one of his core beliefs. That hesitation allowed Tarantula to do her thing, and Nightwing broke his oath because of his hesitation. These next few issues should be really good. |
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 14, 2004 10:19:10 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]Yeah, I have to say these issues of Nightwing are just great! I love 'em! [/glow]
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Post by Punisher on May 14, 2004 15:54:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I read the comics and the novel. Jean Paul was brutal and a psycho from the start, killing as Azrael. There was no real reason Abbatoir couldn't have been apprehended.
In this circumstance, Dick would have been a walking palgue forever, with the possibilty of everyone he loves being a victim. It wasn't vicious like Jean Paul's letting Abbatoir die.
Batman has set out to kill the Joker in current continuity at least twice(after Jason Todd and after Tommy Elliot's apparent death), He was stopped by Superman(who later executed the phantom zone criminals) and Gordon(who has shot people in the line of duty)
I don't think anyone in the Batfamily should kill as a rule. That's why they've trained not to use guns like tradtional law enforcement. But in an extreme circumstance where it's a choice between saving an innocent and killing a villain, there is only one choice. That's a choice faced every day by real life law enforcement. The Batfamily, through their training might face it less, but still would have to face it eventually.
Though it wasn't a concrete kill Blockbuster or an innocent dies right there, it would equal out to that or worse in the long run. Devin Grayson didn't weasel around the decision like Last Laugh did when Joker died for a few minutes or like Luthor getting his memory erased after finding out Clark is Superman.
This issue was the best Bat-book I've read in a while.
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Post by PJ on May 14, 2004 16:47:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed it, but I wasn't to surprised with the ending...
As it wasn't the first time he did something like that. I think it was pt. 6 of Joker: Last Laugh. But I must say the Nightwing title has been my favorate book for the past year now.
PJ
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Post by Batboy on May 19, 2004 22:42:30 GMT -5
Finally got around to picking this one up. It was really sweet, I liked it a lot. Although I must say I was surprised that they killed off Blockbuster.
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 19, 2004 22:51:42 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]I gotta say it's kinda tough to recover from a point-blank gun shot wound to the head...but hey, it's still comic books---he could come back[/glow]
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Post by Batboy on May 20, 2004 22:34:43 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]I gotta say it's kinda tough to recover from a point-blank gun shot wound to the head...but hey, it's still comic books---he could come back[/glow] Lol, good point. I guess if they really wanted to bring him back they could use his size as the reason for his survival. I imagine his skull must be pretty think. |
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 20, 2004 23:11:27 GMT -5
Lol, good point. I guess if they really wanted to bring him back they could use his size as the reason for his survival. I imagine his skull must be pretty think. [glow=purple,2,300]Heck, Marvel has done that more than a few times with the Kingpin; might as well take a page out of their book.[/glow] |
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Post by Roback on May 21, 2004 5:05:47 GMT -5
I've been a Nightwing fan from the beginning and i feel that Chuck Dixons work portrayed the character the best. Devon is doing a fine job but i feel its a bit out of his character to do some of the things Dick is doing.
Now dont get me wrong i am enjoying her run but its a bit far from the core of the character.
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Post by reideen1313 on May 21, 2004 8:54:57 GMT -5
I wonder how this will impact the character in other books, like Outsiders for example. Something like this would really mess up someone's head, I would think. I'll be interested to see how it's handled not only in the regular series, but in other Nightwing books as well.
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 21, 2004 13:14:42 GMT -5
I've been a Nightwing fan from the beginning and i feel that Chuck Dixons work portrayed the character the best. Devon is doing a fine job but i feel its a bit out of his character to do some of the things Dick is doing. Now dont get me wrong i am enjoying her run but its a bit far from the core of the character. [glow=purple,2,300]True...there are some departures character-wise from what Dixon established in his run.[/glow] I wonder how this will impact the character in other books, like Outsiders for example. Something like this would really mess up someone's head, I would think. I'll be interested to see how it's handled not only in the regular series, but in other Nightwing books as well. [glow=purple,2,300]That really depends on the writer IMO. I mean, remember back during the whole massive Joker crossover when Dick beat the Joker almost to death? The next month it really wasn't addressed, and still remains one of those things in Batman continuuity that hardly anyone touches. So it will be interesting to see if Judd wants to do something with it...personally, I don't think he will.[/glow] |
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Post by Det27 on May 21, 2004 14:54:29 GMT -5
Last Laugh was just a really bad storyline, so I don't think a lot of writers even wanted to acknowledge it. It was just an event to tie into low selling books and boost their sales. No story arcs were progressed or any new ground covered. The last real good "evenT" was No Man's Land, at least for the Batbooks.
Batman has set out to kill the Joker at least twice in current continuity(Death in the Family and Hush), so he'd be a hypocrite to look down on Nightwing.
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 21, 2004 15:48:23 GMT -5
Last Laugh was just a really bad storyline, so I don't think a lot of writers even wanted to acknowledge it. It was just an event to tie into low selling books and boost their sales. No story arcs were progressed or any new ground covered. The last real good "evenT" was No Man's Land, at least for the Batbooks. [glow=purple,2,300]Yeah, I didn't care for Last Laugh either.  [/glow] |
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Post by Darknight on May 21, 2004 15:54:24 GMT -5
Last Laugh was just a really bad storyline, so I don't think a lot of writers even wanted to acknowledge it. It was just an event to tie into low selling books and boost their sales. No story arcs were progressed or any new ground covered. The last real good "evenT" was No Man's Land, at least for the Batbooks. Officer Down was a pretty good story, and it's effects are about to be felt in a round about way in the current Gotham Central storyline. |
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 21, 2004 21:04:12 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]My only gripe with officer down is the whole Jim Gordon retiring and being replaced with this Akins guy. Not having Commissioner Gordon is like not having jelly to go with peanut butter.
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Post by aneurysm on May 22, 2004 12:28:04 GMT -5
I've been a Nightwing fan from the beginning and i feel that Chuck Dixons work portrayed the character the best. Devon is doing a fine job but i feel its a bit out of his character to do some of the things Dick is doing. Now dont get me wrong i am enjoying her run but its a bit far from the core of the character. With all due respect that is what makes this arc the best of the entire run on nightwing comics. The things that are happening to nightwing are forcing him to change, thats what makes it so intriguing. Its believeable that nightwing let tarantula kill blockbuster because he has been driven to despair, almost to the point of insanity by blockbuster. The end leaves so many unanswered questions that im sure devin will address. What will dick do next? What will Bruce's reaction be? Will dick give up nightwing? Will amy offer him his job after she finds out blockbuster is dead? Would dick take it back? Will amy try to arrest him for the murder of blockbuster? remember, she doesnt know much/anything about tarantula... All I know is, the next few issues will be amazing...I CANT WAIT! |
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Post by Deadshot on May 22, 2004 12:38:08 GMT -5
I have connections to a site that is having a live chat with Devin Grayson later this month if anyone is interested.
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 22, 2004 13:23:01 GMT -5
I have connections to a site that is having a live chat with Devin Grayson later this month if anyone is interested. [glow=purple,2,300]I'm interested! I would love to hear what Devin has to say about her run on Nightwing. What site is it?[/glow] |
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Post by Deadshot on May 22, 2004 13:30:22 GMT -5
www.jlauniverse.comNot too long ago there, we also had a chat there with Tom Nguyen. You have to be registered to enter the chat.
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Post by PPAIN aka Michael on May 22, 2004 22:36:38 GMT -5
[glow=purple,2,300]Thanks man!  [/glow] |
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