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Post by /\/\att on Nov 28, 2004 6:22:27 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I just finished reading GK #59...and next month Hush will return to the book....now, in the back of each issue they give a little teaser you can't read anywhere else...here's the latest...
"Our resident weirdos AJ Lieberman and Hush return! Alfred learns that no good deed goes unpunished, Poison Ivy makes a fateful cameo, and we reveal something truly shocking about Dr. Thomas Elliot. And that's no lie!"
Now I have never been happy with Elliot being Hush..it was just lame. I've been counting on DC to further expand and show that Elliot never was HUSH. This is my personal theory and always has been.....now note how they refer to Elliot seperately from Hush in their little teaser...I think Elliot has been dead all this time...he never was Hush....or something to that effect.
I mean, It would've been great if they introduced him a year or so ahead of time...even six months in the continuity..made him out to be great, then we didn't see him again all thru HUSH until the very end...that would've been great.....but thats not what they did, and I just don't think Loeb is lame enuf to introduce a character in the first issue and make him the villian.....your thoughts?? [/shadow]
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Nov 28, 2004 20:31:07 GMT -5
I think that you may be on to something Matt. I mean why keep his face hidden now that his identity has been revealed? Let's look at other bat villians- Catwoman, mask or no mask-optional, Scarecrow mask is functional, Joker-no mask, Penguin-no mask, Riddler-mask optional, Two Face no mask, Mr. Freeze -no mask, Ventriliquist, Mad Hatter, Poison Ivy, Bane......well anyway you get the idea. Things I don't want to see: Tommy being Bruce's half brother (don't tarnish the Waynes) Wouldn't mind the whole Jason Todd thing revisited though.
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Post by HUSH on Nov 28, 2004 20:37:47 GMT -5
/\/\att, that theory is awesome! I really hope that is how things turn out.  It is a great point that Hush's mask was never removed, even tho his identity was *supposedly* revealed. I was wondeing about that, why he didn't let batman take it off.  Fascinating! I must have this issue!  |
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Post by Roback on Nov 28, 2004 22:39:20 GMT -5
Nice theory Matt but I'm still up in the air regarding Hush's identity.
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Post by BDG on Nov 29, 2004 1:27:12 GMT -5
i just read thru the hush arc this wkend. a good story, but i agree its a bit odd to introduce a new character to seemingly reveal him as the villian. loeb is just better than that. so yeah im of the opinion as well that theres more to this and it'll probably be revealed thru a few twists and turns in the sequel to hush. anybody know when we can expect it?
-BDG
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Post by Faithfulbutler on Nov 29, 2004 2:15:22 GMT -5
You told me this theory a while ago Matt and to me it still makes a lot of sense.Things were still way too much up in the air and the resolution of the whole arc wasn't really there IMO.
I'm looking forward to seeing this pan out This really has a long way to go and a lot of questions to be answered.
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Post by Darthm on Nov 29, 2004 13:32:56 GMT -5
I like your theory Matt, and it makes sense. Also, something that I noticed but did not pay much thought to was that there wasn't a character description for Hush in the "DC Comics Encyclopedia." He was mentioned but he did not have his own section. It was probably done so that when it is revealed that Hush actually isn't Elliot the book would not have something wrong in it.
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Post by re on Nov 30, 2004 1:07:06 GMT -5
I like your theory very much Matt, and you may be up to something. |
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Post by Longbowhunter on Dec 3, 2004 13:45:04 GMT -5
Does anybody else think that HUSH might have worked better if they had just left the character alone until Loeb finished the story? I had heard that he wanted to come back and do a sequel of sorts,but now it seems like DC has WAAAYYYY overused this character-he's been popping up in the Bat-books all over the place since the original story ended and no one has really done much with him thats worth reading
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Post by Darthm on Dec 3, 2004 15:38:41 GMT -5
Does anybody else think that HUSH might have worked better if they had just left the character alone until Loeb finished the story? Maybe the reason I don't mind him popping up so often is that he is my favorite bat-villain, but it hasn't bothered me. I enjoyed the Gotham Nights stories when Hush first returned. And I don't think he has appeared in anything since early on in the War Games series (which is why I can't wait for GK #60). |
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Dec 8, 2004 16:39:39 GMT -5
Jason Todd is Hush.
Since Clayface first put on the Jason Todd guise in the Hush storyline I have suspected as much.
I tell you this:
Tommy Elliott is a red herring, as /\/\att suspects, and JT has been Hush this whole time.
It was waaaaaay too easy to introduce a character who was supposedly Bruce's best friend since youth, about whom we've never previously heard, and then introduce a new bad guy. It's too obvious.
And remember in the Scarebeast story after Hush in Batman 620-630 something? Alfred finds the Json Todd mask in the Batmobile after the hallucination about Jason.
I may be wrong about this, but think: Jason was shown as being grown when Clayface portrayed him, and there's been a lot of referrences to the character lately. I think that moody young Jason really IS Hush.
If I have overlooked any glaringly obvious details to prove me wrong, please point them out to me.
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 10, 2004 0:07:17 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]man, I'm with ya Ralph..I've though Jason was involved for a long time...I mean how would Clayface know what an adult Jason Todd would look like anyway? He has to see or touch something to become it right? He couldn't just make up something that intricate![/shadow]
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 10, 2004 21:07:25 GMT -5
Jason as Hush would be incredible, maybe he's an alternate universe Jason or maybe Joker secretly "saved" Jason and brainwashed him whatever the case I never liked him as Robin, but he'd be great as a villian.
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Dec 11, 2004 14:59:48 GMT -5
There's no Brainwashing necessary. I can see Jason blaming his near-death on Batman. Batman always gets there in time to save other people, but why couldn't he save his own Robin, eh? I think that's all the motivation JT would need. Plus, Hush was able to hold his own ina fight against Batman, how would a plastic surgeon be able to do that? Makes much more sense if it's someone who was trained by the Dark Knight himself.
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 11, 2004 19:49:36 GMT -5
Ralph, I don't remember how Death in the Family ends, is Jason's body found or not. If he's found dead then..well.. no more resurrections please.
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 12, 2004 1:46:07 GMT -5
Yes, his body was found, and he was very dead.
However, the Lazarus Pit has been stated to be able to regrow dead bodies...Ra's offered to bring Thomas and Martha back from the dead with it, and they'd be little more than bones and worms...so...it could do it, and Ra's would know. So if Jason is back...that's how.
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 12, 2004 7:41:28 GMT -5
Yes, his body was found, and he was very dead. However, the Lazarus Pit has been stated to be able to regrow dead bodies...Ra's offered to bring Thomas and Martha back from the dead with it, and they'd be little more than bones and worms...so...it could do it, and Ra's would know. So if Jason is back...that's how. Thank you. That does work nicely. Now more than ever I really hope it's Jason. |
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Dec 14, 2004 21:00:13 GMT -5
It's comic books, Bloccko, we all know how permanent death is in the DCU.
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 15, 2004 0:43:40 GMT -5
Jason's coming back, its just a matter of how..I'm thinking he may be the new red hood....how ironic would that be! |
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 15, 2004 8:11:51 GMT -5
I think Barry Allen holds the record for the DCU character
that has remained dead the longest so far.
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Post by anthonywayne on Dec 15, 2004 13:30:46 GMT -5
Yes, his body was found, and he was very dead. However, the Lazarus Pit has been stated to be able to regrow dead bodies...Ra's offered to bring Thomas and Martha back from the dead with it, and they'd be little more than bones and worms...so...it could do it, and Ra's would know. So if Jason is back...that's how. I don't think the Lazarus Pit could restore life to people dead that long...Batman had said that he thought better of using a pit to restore Jason because "the trauma to the boy's head was so severe, there was no guarantee he would ever be capable of rational thought" - in essence, in order for the pit to work, there has to be something for it to work with. Now, to get in my two-cents, I don't think Hush is Jason, and I don't want to think it's Tommy Elliot, either, even though the Riddler's comments at the end seem to confirm that it was. There is also the peppering of memories from Bruce throughout the series regarding Tommy's behavior towards him - he did seem to be a little s**t from go. Personnally, I think it's someone who was close to Tommy and Bruce - close enough to know a great deal about both of them. As it's been stated, Mr. Loeb is too good for us to accept what we've been given, especially character motivation. Tommy wants revenge for not being a rich orphan as a child? Both parents are dead now - TEXT he has his fortune - why is he still mad? And how could a doctor - a TEXT - suddenly have such disregard for life? If he did spend the time and exhert the effort to "fix" Harold, how could he just kill him so callously? And if he has been mad all these years, why not just kill Bruce? Why didn't he kill him years ago? There's got to be more going on, and I certainly hope Loeb and Lee give us a sequel that wraps everything up. |
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 15, 2004 17:28:00 GMT -5
I don't want to think it's Tommy Elliot, either, even though the Riddler's comments at the end seem to confirm that it was. It's not. See Gotham Knights #60. Out on comic book store shelves as of today. I'm not going to spoil it here (unless y'all don't care...) so go read it! It's actually one of the better Hush issues I've read. |
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Post by jlavaia on Dec 15, 2004 19:19:55 GMT -5
speaking of that issue, any thoughts on who hush is? Jason Todd can't really be Hush and the Red Hood, though it's possible, but doubtful. he may not be either one. though I'm leaning toward jason being Hush, because of the beating he gave to the Joker. though Tommy might not really be Tommy at all, if we all remember Clayface. I'm thinking Hush is really Dent., yeah they fought, but clayface could have been hush, in the past dent's surgeries have been botched before, and that would explain the bandages and scars, and if Tommy did the surgery, that would fit into GK 60.
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Post by BlackBat on Dec 15, 2004 20:46:15 GMT -5
Hush is the Riddler...he's finally went over the edge and developed a split personality ala Fight Club ;D
~Tim
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 15, 2004 22:23:47 GMT -5
GK 560---Jaw dropped...read it now. Trust me...you'll be happy you did!
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Post by BlackBat on Dec 15, 2004 23:22:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I just read it earlier... all I can saw is wow!!! Who would've figured that Hush was really Jean Loring, Ray Palmer's wife... I never even saw that coming ;D
~Tim
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 15, 2004 23:25:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I just read it earlier... all I can saw is wow!!! Who would've figured that Hush was really Jean Loring, Ray Palmer's wife... I never even saw that coming ;D ~Tim And Tommy was really Ambush Bug! |
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Post by BlackBat on Dec 15, 2004 23:34:22 GMT -5
Ok, I've got one more...Hush was really Mr. Witherspoon, and he would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids. ;D
~Tim
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 15, 2004 23:59:16 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I knew it I knew it I knew it!!!!
I've been saying this for over a year now! Its nice to be right for a change lol.
I just knew Tommy couldn't be HUSH! Now the fun begins...who the HELL is he?!?!
I have now forgiven DCs sins from the Hush arc! yay![/shadow]
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Post by BlackBat on Dec 16, 2004 7:43:14 GMT -5
LOL...geeze Matt. I've told ya who it was like 3 times already ;D
Seriously though, I couldn't agree more. I loved the Hush story right up until it ended (or didn't as the case may be), but thought that is was the most dissapointing, overly-hyped, anti-climatic wrap up to a story of this magnitude that I had ever seen at the time. I'm glad it's not over and they're going back to tie up the lose strings. Let's just hope they finally finish it out with the same flair they started it with.
~Tim
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