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Post by reideen1313 on Nov 30, 2004 11:47:31 GMT -5
There's a rumor going around about a Crisis 2 series that will kick off in 2005. Geoff Johns and Phil Jiminez are said to be involved. Could this be the real "crisis" that Lex refers to at the end of Superman/Batman #6? I noticed a reference to a "crisis" in Teen Titans #18 - any other references that you've caught - outside of IDC?
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Post by jasontodd2 on Nov 30, 2004 21:13:55 GMT -5
could they be referring to Identity Crisis?
I hope they don't do another Crisis on the Infinate Earth deal which would wipe out what we know of our heroes again, I would hate that!
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Post by reideen1313 on Nov 30, 2004 21:25:07 GMT -5
could they be referring to Identity Crisis? No - the rumors I've seen (from a couple of sites) are saying that events after the 'crisis' will throw the DC universe about a year forward in time..... I don't know much more than that right now. |
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Post by HUSH on Nov 30, 2004 21:27:11 GMT -5
could they be referring to Identity Crisis? I hope they don't do another Crisis on the Infinate Earth deal which would wipe out what we know of our heroes again, I would hate that! Absolutely! It would be terrible! But I doubt they would do that again. |
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 2, 2004 10:55:30 GMT -5
this is from a post over at newsarama...from what I've been hearing all year, this really does make sense... ID Crisis Aftermath/Crisis 2005
PURE SPECULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's my theory re: how ID Crisis will effect the DCU long term...
In the aftermath of ID Crisis, when it becomes apparent that the heroes of the DCU have been mindwiped along with targetted villains, someone (Zatanna, Green Lantern/Parallax, The Spectre, whoever) will broadly and powerfully release all of the blocked memories among the heroes of the DCU. Unexpectedly this will also unblock all memories of The Crisis on Infinite Earths.
There already seems to be some immediate repercussions with Green Lantern and Flash from ID Crisis, but this will open up a Pandora's Box among the other major DC heroes maybe resulting in their reboot into an Ultimate-like Universe at the end of next year.
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 3, 2004 7:53:41 GMT -5
Probably a good year to be a therapist in the DCU. 2005: DC stands for the "Doctor's Couch"!  |
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Dec 7, 2004 16:55:31 GMT -5
Probably a good year to be a therapist in the DCU. 2005: DC stands for the "Doctor's Couch"! Ahem: ZING! |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 7, 2004 23:53:20 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I'm thinking more and more that all mind wipes will get reversed and some big things will be happening.
I think we'll see Barry Allen back for one. Mark my words right now.
I'm very interested to see what comes of this![/shadow]
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 8, 2004 4:56:07 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I'm thinking more and more that all mind wipes will get reversed and some big things will be happening. I think we'll see Barry Allen back for one. Mark my words right now. I'm very interested to see what comes of this![/shadow] Hey maybe Allen is the killer.....nah. But y'know what would be reallly coool? If, after ID, final epilogue page we see Iris Allen waking up in her bed, walking to the bathroom opening the shower door and there's Barry standing there and Iris tells Barry that she had the weirdest dream in which all the DCU heroes became darker, Hal went nuts, Bruce never smiled....ever, Clark and Ollie died and came back from the dead and Keystone city was on "earth one" etc. In effect the past 20 years of the DCU were a dream. Ahhh Dallas (or for those of you too young to remember...ahhh, Family Guy lol). |
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 8, 2004 9:28:13 GMT -5
And then, Blocko, the DCU would hit a point not hit in comics since...well...since Hal Jordan was brought back, but also since the Spider-clone saga.
Seriously...the dead DOES NOT NEED BROUGHT BACK! It cheapens their death...it makes comics WORSE. The only two that were semi-decent were Superman (super, not understood physiology, not understood by earth science...he was put by E in the Krypton regen suit to heal because he knew he wasn't dead...sure the death of Superman was a sales ploy, but everyone in comics KNEW it was at the time, only outsiders didn't) and GReen Arrow (the death was kinda blah at a time when DC was shaking up EVERY major DC character, and I'm surprised it wasn't retconned earlier. Also, the way KS brought him back made sense. I think it was meant to be changed as early as the other major changes 10-13 years ago in DC, but they just didn't get around to it.
For those not sure what I meant...DC plannned the following events at roughly the "same" time...within a 3 & 1/2 year span in their book, and from all reports, they were PLANNED at the same time and spread out.
Superman-Dead
Batman-Broken
Wonder Woman-dethroned to Artemis
JLA/JLA/JLI-Broken Down
GReen Lantern-Killed/Replaced
Flash-Tortured by (maybe Zoom, I forget) making him think Barry was back and Barry hated him, followed by Terminal Velocity
Green Arrow-Dead
Aquaman-1 handed
Titans-Hunted/Raven possession/Sellout/Total Chaos
All of these happened in the 1991-1994 time period. Can anyone think of any I forgot that happened in DC books at that period? Titans hunt may well have been the BEST of those stories, and Flash got off kinda light compared to the others....but that was still a good story.
That was all followed up with Zero Hour. All with major (and in many cases long lasting, at least a few years) ramification for all of the characters.
Superman-introduced Superboy & Steel, plus some others.
Batman-Bane, Batman not as involnurable, Azrael.More tension between Batman & Dick, leading to a Prodigal reunion.
Wonder Woman-Death and reintroduction of Artemis...reshaping of parental relationship.
JLA/JLI/JLE-new teams, Deaths, other stuff
Green Lantern-Kyle Rayner, Parralax, no more Coast City, DEath of corps/Guardians
Flash-Made into a better hero, less cocky and more down to earth, intro of Impulse
Green Arrow-Conner
Aquaman-The hand, maybe his baby died around then but I dunno
Titans-Cyborg screwed up, eventually sent into space, Jericho turns/dies, new characters, Team-up with Deathstroke, Raven evil for a time cause of Daddy-spores, Team Titans introduced, etc.
Zero Hour-lots of crap
There's lots of stuff that could be added. I am hoping Barry stays gone like I wish Hal had...if they bring him back that cheapens and ruins one of the few things left from Crisis....If they do a seperate Ultimate universe...ok...it can start with BArry, Hal, etc....and the Teen sidekicks, etc. But that is for another topic.
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 9, 2004 10:11:37 GMT -5
More news on the coming "Crisis" (from Rich Johnson's Lying in the Gutters column) Let me just say - I told you guys to start picking up Adam Strange! I also mentioned the reference to a "Crisis" in TT #18. www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13 |
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Post by Flamebird on Dec 10, 2004 5:27:41 GMT -5
you get the feeling something big is really going to happen... AGAIN
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 10, 2004 10:39:51 GMT -5
This could be a preview of things to come...  |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 10, 2004 11:09:39 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]great find Jeff! ALRIGHT now, I want to know what the hell is going on?!?!?
who's batman carrying???[/shadow]
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 10, 2004 11:28:55 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300] who's batman carrying?[/shadow] I don't think it's Nightwing. (I think you'll see that speculation quite a bit as this image makes the rounds a little more.) While Nightwing is athletic, the figure Batman is holding is too slim, IMO to be Nightwing. The jaw is huge, and it reminds me of some artists renderings of Ralph - that could be because of the exaggerated angle that the head is at though. We have the JLA, Titans (Starfire is the only member though), and JSA represented in the pic. A blue costume, dark hair - it's not Booster Gold. Could it be Blue Beetle? |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 10, 2004 11:33:04 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]here's a wild one....kinda remnicent of the death in the family position...what if its Jason?[/shadow]
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 10, 2004 11:35:37 GMT -5
Oooh! I didn't think of that! ;D
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Post by Batlaw on Dec 10, 2004 12:00:11 GMT -5
Reid:
After looking as closely as I could, Blue Beatle was my assumption as well. Since all we can really make out are some of the costumes "lines" and the eyes/gogles.
But who knows?
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Post by gotham95 on Dec 10, 2004 12:07:02 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]Oh man! What a cool cover! This looks to be a big event. I too am wondering who Batman is holding. I hope it's not Nightwing, but I think if it was Dick Bats would be very upset. remember how upset he was when Jason died (cover to death in the family) Now what if it is like Matt suggested, that it's Jason he's holding. Batman has a look on him like he's mad not sad. Like maybe someone has brought back old memories.
Also the whole picture is washed with blues so I think they are trying to make you think that it is a blue costume.[/shadow]
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Post by Det27 on Dec 10, 2004 15:09:44 GMT -5
Hope it's not a complete reboot.
At Emerald Dawn, a while back Dan Didio said they're not going to bring Barry back as he serves the story better dead. The Crisis is already scripted by Geoff Johns, Jeph Loeb, Judd Winick, and one other.
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 11, 2004 20:50:25 GMT -5
It could be Flash. I know what you're thinking..."Wally is in the back of the picture....not THAT Flash....BArry...just a guess, and one I would hate.
Could be BEetle....past that...dunno.
I'm leaning to BEetle..., because of the Blues.
It's clearly NOT the 'Winger...face, outfit, mask, head stuff...no.
Another possibility my wife and I have...Catwoman...
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Post by Peev34 on Dec 11, 2004 21:22:14 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]WOW! All of the possibilites are mind-boggling! This is going to drive me nuts with all the questions this is sure to bring![/shadow]
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 12, 2004 1:40:17 GMT -5
I do love a good mystery story....Hush, Identity Crisis, & TLH are some of my favorite stories. I don't want Crisis '05 to be one. Really. Big action story or something...we've had a number of huge mysteries. Let's try something a little different.
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 12, 2004 2:18:36 GMT -5
Better hint is available @ Jim Lee's web about who it is...I dunno why so many people would care, but Lee says there are a ton of thing to throw people off...maybe they have all just shown up, and are not there in a "oh--my-god way..... Go look at the pencilled cover....it looks VERY female....at least I think so....Lemme hear your opinion! gelatometti.blogspot.com/2004/12/final-countdown-for.html |
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Post by gotham95 on Dec 12, 2004 2:47:33 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]Again, I think they want us to think it's somehow related to Batman, but I don't think so. I think Batman maybe just found the person and remember the whole painting has a BLUE wash to it which creates the effect of blue costume. We should think outside the box.[/shadow]
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Post by Det27 on Dec 12, 2004 12:54:48 GMT -5
Lex Luthor.
Foreshadowed a Crisis in last appearance in Superman/Batman. Character on cover looks bald, could be in body suit from under his armor.. Messed with Batman and Superman in a real bad way recently(ordered a hit on Bruce's girlfriend,Vesper, that got her kiled, put a contract on Superman, etc.). Manipulated all JLA, heroes, US, world as President. ID Crisis has Luthor's armor suit in the background in the first issue. Could be a whodunnit like ID Crisis, with Batman and Superman being the prime suspects. The two main JLAers as murder suspects is a big deal. This ties into ID Crisis's wake of where the line is. All of the writers orchestrating this book keep putting in Luthor references (Loeb's Superman/Batman's "crisis" line, Meltzer's Luthor armor in ID Crisis, John's Luthor DNA in Superboy in Titans, Winick's Outsider's dealing with a cache of Luthor's nukes, etc.)
They current creative directors of DC pretty much stated they know no one believes a main character will stay dead(Luthor could fake his death to screw with the JLA, he's done it before).
-Nightwing has a popular ongoing book. It's not him
-The Flash has a popular ongoing book, there's one Flash on that cover,editors said Barry wont be back (at least until current team's contracts expire, new editors come in, sales dip, and want some big event to attract silver age readers, though there's no big demand among Flash fans. Wally is a sidekick from the late 50's, well fleshed out, and well liked. Not controvertial like Kyle) Didio said it wasn't going to happen, and there's no H.E.A.T. for Barry.
-Blue Beetle, who would really care? An inactive, 3rd tier hero's death doesn't have crisis-level aftershocks unless it's an ID Crisis rehash. I like him, but it's not earthshattering.
-Jason Todd - Died once already, has nothing to do with JLA and nothing to do with books leading into this event (ID Crisis, Flash, Superman/Batman, JSA, Teen Titans). He is resurrected to die again? Speaking of Titans, Luthor is involved there too. Someone tipped Superboy off that half of his genes are from Luthor.
-Adam Strange- Who would care?
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 12, 2004 20:40:40 GMT -5
This look familiar? remember, just 'cause he's carrying someone doesn't mean they're dead......YET!!  |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 13, 2004 1:03:47 GMT -5
too true blocko! well with March solicits out monday, perhaps we'll get more clues to our little mystery here!  |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 13, 2004 6:10:07 GMT -5
ONLY LoG has the first peek at this afternoon's solicits! Here's the synopsis for Countdown!!!! DC COUNTDOWN #1
Written by Geoff Johns,
Greg Rucka and Judd Winick
Art by Rags Morales, Ed Benes, Phil Jimenez, Ivan Reis, Jesus Saiz, and various
Cover by Jim Lee & Alex Ross
Three of the most acclaimed and popular writers in comics — Geoff Johns (TEEN TITANS, JSA), Greg Rucka (ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN, WONDER WOMAN) and Judd Winick (BATMAN, OUTSIDERS) — join an all-star roster of artists for DC COUNTDOWN, an 80-page Spectacular with the incredibly low cover price of $1.00!
Artists Rags Morales (IDENTITY CRISIS), Ed Benes (BIRDS OF PREY), Ivan Reis (ACTION COMICS), Phil Jimenez (WONDER WOMAN, New X-Men), and Jesus Saiz (MANHUNTER) each pencil chapters of a story that follows a member of the JLA through a mystery that touches on nearly every character in the DCU!
Topped with a cover pencilled by Jim Lee (SUPERMAN, BATMAN) and painted by Alex Ross (KINGDOM COME, JLA: LIBERTY AND JUSTICE), DC COUNTDOWN is an essential project that features nearly every major character operating in the DC Universe. It’s a project that will resonate for months to come and is a perfect jumping-on point for readers who’ve been wondering where the people who helped deliver IDENTITY CRISIS could possibly be going next. You won’t want to miss it! And the clock is ticking…
On sale March 30 :: 80 pages :: $1.00 US :: Edited by Dan DiDio
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Dec 13, 2004 9:32:39 GMT -5
BTW, Who's to say it isn't a villian? After all none of the heroes are crying , they just look serious.
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