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Post by JotaEse on Dec 28, 2004 17:20:09 GMT -5
Think of what BATGIRL means to you...as a character, his motivations, his purpose, and his skills, and vote on who you think is the better FEMALE BAT.
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Post by Longbowhunter on Dec 28, 2004 17:29:30 GMT -5
I've gotta vote for Babs-hands down the best sidekick Batman ever had.I like her because you can relate to her-shes just a really smart,really dedicated person who wanted to do good by following in Batmans footsteps.Either as Batgirl or now as Oracle,Babs has got heart and you cant help rooting for her...plus shes a redhead  |
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Post by JokersGalPal on Dec 28, 2004 17:30:04 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]tough between Cassandra and Helena...
Barbra was a good Batgirl...but she's even better as Oracle, so I can rule her out easier...[/shadow]
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 28, 2004 17:31:41 GMT -5
I think Babs is MUCH better as Oracle...she started off good as Batgirl....but was always plagued with too much Self-Doubt and wanting to please everyone else....
Cassie gets the job done, is a better fighter, instills more fear (as a Batgirl should, much like Batman)....she IS Batgirl to a lot of people...
Besides being my Wife's favorite character!
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Post by HUSH on Dec 28, 2004 18:19:20 GMT -5
Cain, if only because she is the most bad@$$. Barbara Gordon was great, but I like her being Oracle more. Helena Bertinelli...when was she a Batgirl?!  |
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 28, 2004 19:00:44 GMT -5
Helena Bertinelli...when was she a Batgirl?! She originally wore the current Batgirl's costume during the No Man's Land arc. |
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Post by HUSH on Dec 28, 2004 19:02:45 GMT -5
She originally wore the current Batgirl's costume during the No Man's Land arc. Ah. Thanx.  |
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Post by Robin on Dec 28, 2004 19:57:29 GMT -5
Cassie for me. Probably only because shes a better fighter. But doesn't it bother you that they made it that shes better at martial arts then Batman? That just bugs me for some reason.
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Post by HUSH on Dec 28, 2004 20:14:54 GMT -5
But doesn't it bother you that they made it that shes better at martial arts then Batman? That just bugs me for some reason. Yes! It bothers me a LOT! But somehow, even if she is supposedly better, I doubt she could take Batman. I just can't believe that. |
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Post by JotaEse on Dec 28, 2004 22:40:59 GMT -5
She has a training edge on him...not a desire edge or the smarts to put it to use...he has all that.
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Post by HUSH on Dec 28, 2004 23:21:59 GMT -5
She has a training edge on him...not a desire edge or the smarts to put it to use...he has all that. Exactly. Training is her advantage. Batman has the drive, the intelligence, the desire, and the endurance to use his skills. |
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 28, 2004 23:38:01 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]I enjoyed Helena in the roll, but Cassie has really come into her own! Especially shining in that new 'Fresh Blood' mini-series.[/shadow]
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 28, 2004 23:50:25 GMT -5
I voted for Cassie.
Really, we're only talking about Barbara and Cassie here. Helena really, IMO, doesn't count as Batgirl. I much prefer Babs as Oracle.
As far as Cassie - I really enjoyed the first arc of the Batgirl series before she learned to speak. I thought it was very interesting to see a character go thru the book without talking - the story really had to be told via the artist. Now that she can speak, I think my interest in the character has diminished. She still fits the role quite nicely, I just would have preferred to see her remain mute.
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Post by Batdan on Dec 29, 2004 0:30:35 GMT -5
Going with Barbara. I'm old school.
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Post by Batlaw on Dec 29, 2004 0:31:48 GMT -5
Reeaaly tough call. I ultimately vote Cain for various reasons. However; in my heart I would say Babs but I like and enjoy her more as Oracle with her Batgirl and tragedy background. I love the character she is now as a result of who she was and what she endured. She's far more interesting, enjoyable and even mor "heroic" now. I love love the concept and character that is oracle and wouldnt want to see anyone "lesser" fill that roll.
Babs is kinda like Hal Jordan or Barry Alan, great clasic / traditional "Heroes". But not until Bary died and Hal went bad, did their characters really have any deapth or "weight" so to speak.
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 29, 2004 1:18:01 GMT -5
I voted for Cassie. Really, we're only talking about Barbara and Cassie here. Helena really, IMO, doesn't count as Batgirl. [shadow=green,left,300]Stephanie counts as a Robin...sure its a technicality..but the time spent in the suit is fairly comparible.[/shadow] |
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Post by re on Dec 29, 2004 1:20:28 GMT -5
I voted for Cain, as I am too young to remember Babs in the comics, although I have seen her as Batgirl on TAS, though I am not sure if they acted the same in the comics and the cartoon. |
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Post by reideen1313 on Dec 29, 2004 1:22:18 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Stephanie counts as a Robin...sure its a technicality..but the time spent in the suit is fairly comparible.[/shadow] But there was more made out of Stephanie being Robin - it was an 'event' like everything is these days. It was something that could be seen in the foreshadowing of the book well in advance. Helena being Batgirl was more of a plot device to bring in a new character. |
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Post by darkknight0970 on Jan 6, 2005 1:07:43 GMT -5
Definitely Cassandra (trying to talk the wife into naming our future daughter after her). Barbara is so much better as Oracle as Helena is great as the Huntress. Cassie on the other hand is able to go up against the likes of Lady Shiva and Bats himself...she's a total badass! (oops...can I say that?)....really she is though!  |
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Post by JotaEse on Jan 7, 2005 12:09:04 GMT -5
I agree, Matt...Fresh Blood really helps to show Cassie's growing personality.
My wife and I have a name for our first 2 boys and 2 girls ready, as well as a possible 3rd (not full name).
Boys:
1: Richard Grayson (Called Dick)
2: Remus Sebastion Bartholemeaw (Remy)
3rd possible 1st name: Alexander (called Alex or Xander)
Girls:
1: Helena Grace
2: Cassandra Kay (Cassie)
3rd possibility: Paulette
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Post by Josh on Jan 7, 2005 12:10:31 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Cassie  [/glow] |
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Post by X~ Harley Quinn ~X on Jan 8, 2005 9:48:59 GMT -5
I voted Barbra. Does that mean I dont like her as Oracle? Of course not! I love her as Oracle, but I dont think Cassandra cant ever compare to Barbra as Batgirl, IMO.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 8, 2005 15:03:18 GMT -5
cassie cain for me too.....she is badass,a dark soul like Batman and capable of being really dark.i really liked the mute thing too.but what swang me to liking her was her defending of the gas station in NML....she kicked butt and took names there to beat the band!!!cant wait for her action figure from DCD i would have prefered mattel do her but itl be ok as long as DCD make her compatible with Hush Batman
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Post by Roback on Jan 8, 2005 22:43:08 GMT -5
I'd have to go with Cassandra as well since I prefer Barbara as Oracle. Whats funny is that I was just glancing through Batgirl Year One just a few minutes ago at my local FYE which didnt make this choice any easier. ;D
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Post by Batboy on Jan 9, 2005 2:02:41 GMT -5
Cassie for me. Probably only because shes a better fighter. But doesn't it bother you that they made it that shes better at martial arts then Batman? That just bugs me for some reason. As I was reading this thread I was thinking the same thing ;D I would have to say Cassandra, but we all know if Batman had to take her.. he could  I don't think there REALLY needs to be a Batgirl but Cass does a great job of jumping into a fight just in the nick of time. |
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Post by JotaEse on Jan 9, 2005 2:56:57 GMT -5
I like the discussion between her and Robin in Fresh Blood where Tim reiterates he does not WANT to be Batman, and she says she does. Great scene.
I could really see Tim becoming a Senator or something after his Robin days (like he did in Armageddon 2001) to help people.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 9, 2005 3:15:32 GMT -5
I like the discussion between her and Robin in Fresh Blood where Tim reiterates he does not WANT to be Batman, and she says she does. Great scene. I could really see Tim becoming a Senator or something after his Robin days (like he did in Armageddon 2001) to help people. that was a great scene and i agree about the senator thing too |
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I don't think there REALLY needs to be a Batgirl but Cass does a great job of jumping into a fight just in the nick of time.