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Post by Batdan on Jan 8, 2005 21:17:33 GMT -5
OK, I'd like your nomination for the worst-ever DC hero. If we get a diverse enough list, we'll do a poll.
The rules:
-- Character must be one whom the creators obviously took seriously.
-- Character cannot be a satirical character like Ambush Bug or even Blue Devil. That's cheating.
-- Character cannot be a one-shot or so obscure as to be instantly laughable like Bwana Beast or Mr. Terrific.
Give your pick and state your reasoning.
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Jan 8, 2005 22:22:50 GMT -5
Um, I liked the original Golden Age Mr. Terrific. Anyway, I never liked TNT and Dan the Dyna-Mite. The costumes were beyond horrible. I also really hated the Vigilante of the 80s.
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Post by JotaEse on Jan 9, 2005 2:47:09 GMT -5
And I like the modern Mr. Terrific.
Let's see...worst...gimme a sec....
Kole.
Azrael (Teen Titans, not Jean Paul)
Anyone with Black in their name that is African American (Black Lightning, etc.)
Snapper Carr
CAt-Man
Copperhead
Cyborg Superman
Elasti-Girl
1/2 of the people with "Fire" in their name
Gunfire and most of the rest of Bloodlines
Natasha Irons (in Steel costume, ok as character)
Killer Croc (At least not as a Batman villian)
Lady Flash
Magenta
The Manhunters
Superman Red
Superman Blue
Mister America
Orpheus
Pied Piper
Supermen of America
T.O. Morrow
Vigilante II (the one mentioned above, V3 was cool though)
Danny Chase
Young Heroes in Love
Spectre
That should be all. I included villians, though.
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Post by /\/\att on Jan 9, 2005 3:22:05 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]lol Superman.[/shadow]
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Post by Batdan on Jan 9, 2005 12:26:18 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]lol Superman.[/shadow] Ha! I figured it wouldn't take long for someone to mention Superman! But actually, that's my point. I'm talking MAJOR characters here, not side characters. I mean I'm not looking for the Star-Spangled Kid and Stripesy. For example, my pick is Martian Manhunter. I know a lot of people like him but I find him inherently absurd, even if they have tinkered with his backstory. A green man from Mars with a bunch of powers that are not terribly original, whose name translates as John Jones. Ai yi yi. |
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 9, 2005 23:07:38 GMT -5
HHMMM I agree, Martian manhunter is ultimately pretty lame. Never really cared for him but he has grown on me quite a bit due to his portrayal in the JL toon. Same for John Stewart, never liked him in the books, but on the toon he's pretty tough, Hawkgirl on the other hand still has no real appeal for me.
As far as other less than stellar characters go, I would include supergirl, Elongated man, Blue devil, far too many disposables to list but I would definately erase any hardcore "themed" characters, ala any inspired by the old west, or military stereotypes Etc. LOL
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Post by JotaEse on Jan 10, 2005 0:30:18 GMT -5
I like MM!
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Post by Batdan on Jan 10, 2005 1:08:12 GMT -5
Batlaw, I agree with you on Elongated Man. I'm still not sure why he stuck around when DC also had Plastic Man in the fold. Bad ripoff.
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Post by /\/\att on Jan 10, 2005 2:18:20 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]You know I'm with batlaw on that one...I used to think MM was uber lame...until I saw him on the JL toon and now I kinda like him lol.[/shadow]
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Post by twistedangel9 on Jan 10, 2005 2:24:34 GMT -5
I feel the same, I saw him on JLU and he seems cool.
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Post by Severen on Jan 10, 2005 5:48:48 GMT -5
Snapper Carr, always an utterly pointless character in my opinion.
And personally I wouldn't limit either Blue Devil or Ambush bug as merely being joke characters, both, especially Blue Devil, actually kick much butt in my opinion. Then again I'd say that Mr Terriffic is far from obscure too in the DCU, but that's just me. Then again as a long time DCU fanatic I also like most of the characters mentioned thus far, so... ;D
Severen.
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Post by Batdan on Jan 10, 2005 20:35:08 GMT -5
I know MM has had a real resurgence because of JL and JLU. And I think they've done a pretty good job with him on the show, all things considered. I'm just saying that on general principle, he's a pretty weak character.
And in my definition of "major" I guess I'm thinking of characters who either have carried long-running titles, are central to long-running group titles or are familiar to non-comic fans. That's why I personally wouldn't consider someone like Mr. Terrific.
It's all subjective, obviously. I'm just trying to get at what drives people to read comics and what, pardon the pun, drives them batty.
Other nominations?
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Post by Batboy on Jan 11, 2005 12:29:57 GMT -5
I would have to say The Atom  |
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Jan 11, 2005 13:53:11 GMT -5
I'm gonna catch serious heat for this:
Huntress.
There. I said it.
WHADDYA GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
I'm sorry, but she just doesn't interest me at all, and the fact that whenever she shows up she's totally dismissed by Batman only makes me feel like I'm right.
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Post by BullocK on Jan 11, 2005 14:16:21 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]I've never cared for Aquaman. [/shadow]
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Post by Batdan on Jan 11, 2005 20:26:17 GMT -5
Wow, now we're cooking!
Atom, Aquaman and Huntress. Interesting picks all.
Re: the Huntress, I lost all interest in her post-Crisis. Without being Batman's daughter she is not at all compelling to me.
We may get enough soon for a legit poll. Keep 'em coming!
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Post by J-Man on Jan 11, 2005 20:30:54 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]The Huntress is not an especially great character, imo. Her history is rather convoluted.
But I think this thread is forgetting one important character: SPOILER. Ugh. What was the point of her? Thank God she got the boot, that's what was preventing me from stomaching those stories.[/shadow]
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 11, 2005 23:04:49 GMT -5
LOL Spoiler was worthless as anything other than maybe a minor supporting cast member in the Robin title and the Robin title only.
Huntress though, I actually like personally. In the same vain as Catwoman has evolved. It's interesting to have a character that toes the line while sharing Batman's "universe". I like her seeking his approval and getting shunned and the elements, stories and "openings" that offers. Plus her and Nightwing's relationship has been enjoyable too IMO.
When it comes to the upper tier characters. The higher you go, the more subjective it becomes. Example, plastic man or Aquaman could easily be considered the "worst character" by some, yet held in high regard by others? For me, Aquaman / Plas serve a purpose or has a "role" to play in the DCU. I.E. the only water based hero or the only stretch powered comic relief Etc.
But w/ plastic man, we dont need Mr. Dibney. Aquaman while reasonably not the most "powerful" does have some legitimate "reason for being". Likewise does the Atom. Not that I'm a big fan of either or not, but I accept their "roles". What I dislike are having these lessor heros forced uppon us and being told and "reminded" how really great, classic and important they are! and "people just dont realize so and so is the greatest scientist or chemist or whatever in the DCU". Know what I mean? A lame character is a lame character. There are reasons why some work and are liked and others arent. Why use em!? Thats just me. I prefer a clean ship. Yet, I believe there is room for all? and the sales (fan reaction) should dictate. No? (man, I mustve been holding that in a while?) LOL
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 12, 2005 11:22:46 GMT -5
Green Lantern John(PERSONALITY BYPASS) Stewart oh my god what an utterly terrible character,seems to have had a charisma transplant and that constant dissaproving look REALLY BUGS ME  how does this guy have the imagination to use that ring??it seems Hal or Kyle would use it better if they had received a lobotomy.and the final point of my rant......his inclusion in the JL cartoon is unforgivable :(absolutely UNFORGIVABLE.thanks for this thread batdan i needed to vent!!!
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Post by XeRAtOniN on Jan 12, 2005 12:53:46 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]green arrow IMO is the worst DC character... i think he is just a batman copycat... he was a rich guy, with a young sidekick (speedy), used to have an "arrowplane" and "arrowmobile", used to have a secret headquarters known as the "arrowcave", and used to be summoned by the police headquarters with a flamming "arrowsignal"...
well, thats just my opinion...[/glow]
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Post by Batdan on Jan 12, 2005 23:56:55 GMT -5
What I dislike are having these lessor heros forced uppon us and being told and "reminded" how really great, classic and important they are! and "people just dont realize so and so is the greatest scientist or chemist or whatever in the DCU". Know what I mean? A lame character is a lame character. There are reasons why some work and are liked and others arent. Why use em!? Thats just me. I prefer a clean ship. That's not just you. I'm a firm believer that comics and the DCU in particular are oversaturated with heroes to the point of damaging the medium. How compelling is a world with dozens and dozens of heroes, so many of whom just happen to have one particular power? I'd rather keep things to a choice few characters that are handled more expertly. The pool is diluted. I'll throw out another one: Hawkman. |
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Post by Severen on Jan 14, 2005 16:28:52 GMT -5
I honestly believe that with any character it all comes down to how well (or not) they are written at any given time and that most people can often be just one step away from becoming a fan of any given character, all it really takes is reading one great, truly defining story featuring that character to become a convert. Just my own theory anyhow. That said though I still hate Snapper Carr.  Severen. |
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Post by Batdan on Jan 14, 2005 20:54:42 GMT -5
all it really takes is reading one great, truly defining story featuring that character to become a convert... That's a terrific point. Good writing can save just about any character. |
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Post by Dan on Jan 15, 2005 9:21:46 GMT -5
okay....um.......lets see here......okay i got it.........two words...... SUPER MAN...........this guy is so corny......and he thinks he is so cool but i agree with matt, my friend keeps saying that supes could kick batmans butt, which is so untrue, sence bats has come close to killing him in a number of times |
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Post by Freddy PhatsaXXX on Jan 15, 2005 13:16:20 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]You know I'm with batlaw on that one...I used to think MM was uber lame...until I saw him on the JL toon and now I kinda like him lol.[/shadow] I know why you really love the man hunter fatty!!! The worst dc creation ever is the Bad Samaritan..nuff said, maybe Neptune Perkins, wait you guys want mainstream...how about Jimmy Olsen, he is lame. |
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Post by Dan on Jan 17, 2005 15:33:42 GMT -5
i dont know if he exists in the comics but I relly dont like that static shock show ....... ( does anyone know if he does exist in the comics?)  |
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Post by vishman007 on Jan 19, 2005 22:35:42 GMT -5
i dont know if he exists in the comics but I relly dont like that static shock show ....... ( does anyone know if he does exist in the comics?) Yeah he does. A while ago DC had a line called Milestone, which featured urban super-heroes, and Static was one of them. |
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Post by gotham95 on Jan 19, 2005 23:57:32 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]How about batmite? LOL[/shadow]
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 21, 2005 8:50:17 GMT -5
I thought Wild Dog was pretty lame. Anybody remember him?
He ran around with camo pants, a blue jersey with a red dog on it, wore a white hockey goalie mask, basically DC's answer to The Punisher, but super lame!
I think he was a mechanic by day and gun wielding super hero maniac by night, sometimes during the day.
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 21, 2005 9:11:32 GMT -5
I thought Wild Dog was pretty lame. Anybody remember him? He ran around with camo pants, a blue jersey with a red dog on it, wore a white hockey goalie mask, basically DC's answer to The Punisher, but super lame! I think he was a mechanic by day and gun wielding super hero maniac by night, sometimes during the day. Wow he sounds like Casey ones from the Turtles!!! |
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