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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 20, 2006 23:19:06 GMT -5
This thread is talkback for the One Year Later story, "Face the Face", taking place in DETECTIVE COMICS#817-820 and BATMAN#651-654 for the next few months. Here's what the story is about:
It's been one year later since the Infinite Crisis ended, and someone has been murdering Gotham villains and that person now has a relationship with the police commisioner. All the clues seem to be pointing to Harvey Dent, who was seemingly cured of his "Two-Face" persona, or has he? Also, Batman must make a decision about Robin that will change their partnership forever.
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Post by crazyhatter on Feb 22, 2006 20:51:26 GMT -5
This thread is talkback for the One Year Later story, "Face the Face", taking place in DETECTIVE COMICS#817-820 and BATMAN#651-654 for the next few months. Here's what the story is about: It's been one year later since the Infinite Crisis ended, and someone has been murdering Gotham villains and that person now has a relationship with the police commisioner. All the clues seem to be pointing to Harvey Dent, who was seemingly cured of his "Two-Face" persona, or has he? Also, Batman must make a decision about Robin that will change their partnership forever. I am curious as to what the decision will be regarding Robin. Will he ask him to take over the Batman mantle, tell him to go his seperate ways, or something compleyely different. I may have to follow this closely... |
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 27, 2006 18:03:29 GMT -5
Since part one is out this Wednesday, those who're getting it, don't hold back on spoilers. If you want to be surprised when you get this issue, don't look at this thread until then. If you're planning on getting it but don't have it yet and want to know what's happened, you can go ahead. Otherwise, wait to be suprised.
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Post by blinker on Feb 28, 2006 14:50:38 GMT -5
The way story is to between Batman and Robin, it makes think that I would HAVE to get Robin OYL which I was going to, but didn't want to.
Oh man, what to do, huh?
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 1, 2006 19:42:24 GMT -5
TURN BACK NOW....HERE THAR BE SPOILERS...AND NOT THE DEAD BLONDE KIND!! Still Here?? Good.First of all,let me say its been a long time since I've enjoyed a Batman comic this much.I REALLy have not dug much of Ruckas or Winnicks runs and HUSH was a complete letdown storywise(Jim Lee rocked though).Dont even get me started on that Return of Hush crap that seemed to go on forever.Detective 817 puts everything right in the world of Batman.Old Friends return,Bats and Robin look better than ever,and the writing..well James Robinson writes Batman and Gordon and it SOUNDS like Batman and Gordon.Too many writers write these characters without ever capturing their voices.A major Rogue is back from the dead(YAAYYY)but a b-list Rogue bites it...really the death of a certain russian was my only complaint.Cant writers today tell a story without killing someone? Oh well,at least Judd Winnick can bring him back in totally ridiculous way in a year or so.Overall,this is a GREAT book and I cant wait for the next issue-been awhile since I could say that about ANY Bat-book.BATMANS BACK....NOW BRING ON PAUL DINI!!! Sounds good Longbowhunter, but can you give us a little more insight? There wasn't much of any spoilers here. |
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Post by Longbowhunter on Mar 1, 2006 19:56:35 GMT -5
Yeah....sorry I posted elsewhere,I didnt reallize the title of the story was Face The Face!Since you guys asked for spoilers.....
It opens with Jim Gordon in bed.He gets a mysterious phone call and says Its Good to hear your voice.We then see KGBeast about to make a hit.Someone attacks him and at first we think its Bats but its...Harvey Dent? Harveys apparently Gothams protector now(how this came to be I'm sure we'll see in 52).He beats the crap out of Beast and throws him off a roof,killing him(my only complaint).Harvey Bullock is called to the scene,he's cleaned up and back on the force.Apparently,something happens during 52 and he goes all Serpico on the GCPD.We see Gordon in Police HQ,he's commissioner again,and he gets the call that Poison Ivy has taken over an Office Builiding ala Hans Gruber.He then walks up to the roof and fires up the old school Bat-signal...this was a GREAT scene.Bats and Robin show up and Robin has a new costume.The scene with Batsand Gordon is CLASSIC and something we havent seen in a long time.Bats and Robin whistle up their Bat-wing and go off to save the day.Not a lot of action this issue,but it sets things up GREAT and gets all the main characters back where they need to be.Oddly enough,I had planned to pass on 52 but obviously a lot is gonna happen with a lot of Bat-characters so I might just pick it up...I'm curious as to the backstories of Gordon and Bullock and how they made it back to Gotham.Like I said before,for the first time in a long time,I'm excited to be reading a bat-book ;D
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 1, 2006 20:00:16 GMT -5
Sweet! So it is Harvey. (So much about that Question rumor). Nice to have Gordon and Bullock back on the force and it's old school Dynamic Duo. Can't wait to get this.
remember, this story continues in BATMAN as well. So stay tuned.
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Post by Green Ghost on Mar 2, 2006 17:02:52 GMT -5
Best news: PAMELA ISLEY/ POISON IVY is ALIVE ;D  ;D HOOOORAY!!!  |
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Post by Eric on Mar 2, 2006 22:14:19 GMT -5
i absolutely loved this first chapter, i read the spoilers but it didnt ruin the story for me. It, to me, had such a classic feel to it, especially seeing some of the old supporting cast. Im very much looking forward to this story arc.
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Post by crazyhatter on Mar 3, 2006 8:34:39 GMT -5
Is Bruce Wayne still Batman? Iknow there was talk of Dick Grayson possibly taking over the role...
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Post by Batdan on Mar 3, 2006 9:19:00 GMT -5
In late 1992, after about 20 years of collecting, I gave up reading comics. A hardcore Batman fan, the stories had become routine and tiresome.
About 18 months or so ago, for a number of reasons, I started becoming interested again but I avoided taking the plunge on monthly titles.
I spent time reading up on what had been going on with Batman and wasn't all that impressed. There was some good stuff but on the whole, I really wished they could strip him down to his core elements.
That time has come.
I decided that OYL was the time to give Batman a spin again on a regular basis and I gotta tell you, I really dug the first part of Face the Face.
It had so many great elements:
-- Gordon back in charge.
-- The Dynamic Duo.
-- The image of the Batsignal lighting up the Gotham night -- and crowds cheering below.
-- Batman unambiguously heroic, just by his words and demeanor.
-- Harvey Bullock, Harvey Dent, Poison Ivy.
-- Loved, LOVED, the shot of Batman and Robin swooping down onto the roof of HQ.
Ahhhhh, he's back.
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Post by blinker on Mar 3, 2006 13:31:15 GMT -5
Is Bruce Wayne still Batman? Iknow there was talk of Dick Grayson possibly taking over the role... Bruce is still Batman, Tim is still Robin, Dick is still Nightwing, but since Jason is back he's another Nightwing, twin Nightwings. |
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Post by jimgordon on Mar 7, 2006 19:52:10 GMT -5
I think the entire DCU is going through some really weird stuff now with the apparent return of the multiverse. Personally, I think it's a big mistake to bring it back. But all that aside, where the rest of the DCU is getting messed up, everything is just perfect in good ol' Gotham. The various Batman titles are never bad but when I read an issue like the first part of this arc, it just reminds me why I love Batman so much. Seeing Batman up on the roof with COMMISSIONER Gordon and seeing that Bat signal just felt so good. I enjoy comics in general but nothing brings it home for me like Detective and Batman.
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Post by blinker on Mar 16, 2006 23:46:20 GMT -5
DETECTIVE COMICS #817
REVIEW:
This is it! One Year Later (OYL). This point is a new beginning for old readers but THE beginning for new readers. In terms of Batman, setting him up in OYL, they mentioned what they wanted to do with him. I didn't want to listen to their plans so I can read this freshly.
Let's go, TO THE BATMOBILE!
Story: In the year where "he" has been gone, Harvey Dent has been keeping Gotham clean the best he can. But after KGBeast's death, and the return of Poison Ivy, Gordon, back as Commissioner, goes up to the rooftops and activates the old bat signal. Upon admiring the hearing of the cheers of Gothamites, a familar voice is heard; "Hello Jim. You called, I came."
The best Batman story? The old fashion detective story. Does this have it? OH YEAH IT DOES! Despite the fact that this just a setup for the arc, this IS the Batman we are grew up on. From the old books, Batman: The Animated Series, and the current season of The Batman, this was great.
This issue still gives us some shockers to pass the time of the next couple weeks til the next chapter: KGBeast dies as stated in the story paragraph, Bullock returns after a long absense, Ivy, thought to be dead, returns, and finally Gordon is commissioner...again. I knew it was gonna happen but since this was an arc, I must've thought he was gonna be commissioner by the end of the arc. Guess not. Again, OYL for new readers too.
To end this, this was a great issue. Despite the fact it was a setup, its still good for old readers from the things like shockers to the stuff that was BATMAN. As for new readers, same thing. OYL is looking good.
RATING: 8.5/10
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 21, 2006 22:15:10 GMT -5
Part Two is out tommorrow! Once again, hold back no spoilers!  |
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Post by blinker on Mar 21, 2006 22:38:37 GMT -5
I can't get it til Thursday or Friday. No matter what on reviews like on ign.com, I will get it.
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 23, 2006 19:42:43 GMT -5
I'll start discussion for part two then. Here's the rundown for BATMAN#651:
-We start out with the people of Gotham's reaction to when the Batsignal goes up in the sky. Some are glad, some are mad.
-We then get to the building where Ivy's plant exploded out of with Batman and Robin jumping out of the Batwing down to it. They then split up.
-Robin has a runin with some of Ivy's man-eating flytraps, while Batman searches for Ivy. An explosion happens, but Batman is able to jump threw the fire and Robin escapes down an elevator shaft.
-Batman finds Ivy with her hostages, but is then trapped by her plants. Ivy then goes on about how Batman isn't her main enemy anymore. She now wants to stop big businesses from destroying the planet, so if Batman and her cross paths, so be it.
-What Ivy doesn't know was that Batman was buying time for Robin to get into the building's water system and release a defoliant killing all her plats. Batman said that Robin was ready to light a fire unless Ivy surrendered. Ivy of course surrendered. Back to Arkham.
-Bats, Robin, and Gordon are now in his office about how things went, which were pretty easy. But Bats has a feeling that this night isn't over yet. The phone then rings, and it's Bullock. Another villain has been murdered: Magpie.
So far now, the villains killed now are KGBeast and Magpie. Who will Harvey's next victim be? Find out in DETECTIVE COMICS#818.
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Post by Batdan on Mar 24, 2006 10:30:35 GMT -5
I was less impressed by this installment. I loved the first part but this second part was a little simplistic. In addition, some of the art sequences were difficult to follow.
In any event, did anybody else notice that Robin's costume changed in the middle of the story? It started out looking much like his last costume then changed to his new one.
My guess is some of the pages were done before the artist got the memo. That's pretty weak, tho, especially when DC is bending over backward to relaunch. Sheesh.
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 24, 2006 21:39:05 GMT -5
Has anyone seen anything refering to that big decision about Robin Batman's supposed to make? I've seen nothing in parts one and two.
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Post by blinker on Mar 24, 2006 21:55:05 GMT -5
I don't know if they made a mistake because if I read right, Robin #148 is the issue where the big desicion is.
Unless, the last issue of this arc which also says that IS the issue where they comes up.
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 24, 2006 22:35:00 GMT -5
I don't know if they made a mistake because if I read right, Robin #148 is the issue where the big desicion is. In Robin#148-149, Robin is asked to join the League of Assassins. I don't think that's what they're talking about in this story. |
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Post by blinker on Mar 26, 2006 14:55:02 GMT -5
BATMAN #651
REVIEW:
Detective #817 opened with a setup issue for the arc. From it, we saw classic old fashioned Batman returning and we were about to see a fight with Ivy in the next one (next one being THIS one). I heard couple negetives about this issue but let's see...
Story: When the bat-signal was lit, every single person in Gotham reacted. People who love, liked, and even hate the Batman were on it as Batman & Robin fought Ivy as their batplane exploded from Ivy's plants. Inside, the changes Batman has went through even surprises Ivy. But the night isn't even doen yet....
What surprises me in this issue is Batman. He's loosen up, more trusting with his partners like Robin, and instead of before where he was very dark, he's lighten up a bit. Another thing is that while this still is the Batman we are grew up on from the old books to Batman: The Animated Series, I can't help but see that this Batman is also like the dark knight from the new The Batman.
To end this, this was still a good issue. The arc is still starting and Batman OYL is more different that isn't bad. Even if what this arc is about isn't in this issue, its still needed and good in its own right. OYL is still looking good.
RATING: 7/10
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Post by wavedash on Mar 26, 2006 17:16:21 GMT -5
He's lightened up? In what sort of way - jokes, general grim frown, more delegation of responsibility?
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Post by blinker on Mar 26, 2006 17:29:35 GMT -5
Before IC, he was obessed, really dark, and he didn't even trust any of his members like Robin or Nightwing. Now, he's lighten up so he's not obessed, he trusts Robin to do his thing when they're out and trusts him to do his own cases and while he is dark, its not like REALLY or PITCH BLACK dark.
You know how Batman was in BTAS and how he chnaged in TNBA. Now in OYL, the Batman which was darker like in TNBA has moved back like in BTAS.
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Post by jimgordon on Mar 26, 2006 19:31:11 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly compare the OYL Batman to Adam West but there is definitely a difference in his character. It's probably all going to be explained in that ridiculous 52 series. I think Batman works very well playing off his supporting cast. It should be especially interesting to see how he functions with Jason Todd back in the DCU.
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Post by wavedash on Mar 30, 2006 11:27:55 GMT -5
I've heard criticisms that Batman seems almost "Ten Years Ago" as opposed to OYL; that his character development came totally out of left field. For those of you keeping up with the comics (not me!) what do you think of that?
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 30, 2006 19:02:09 GMT -5
I've heard criticisms that Batman seems almost "Ten Years Ago" as opposed to OYL; that his character development came totally out of left field. For those of you keeping up with the comics (not me!) what do you think of that? Well Batman has grown darker over the years and he seems to have lightened up now and able to work with his partners again, ala Robin. Something must've happened when he was gone during the year. I have no problem with this though. |
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Post by blinker on Mar 30, 2006 20:02:11 GMT -5
I believe this has something to do with Earth 2 Superman telling him about Batman on Earth 2 and his wife and family and realizing that what he wanted but believed couldn't could happen.
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 30, 2006 20:43:42 GMT -5
I believe this has something to do with Earth 2 Superman telling him about Batman on Earth 2 and his wife and family and realizing that what he wanted but believed couldn't could happen. Could this have something to do with Selina's new baby in CATWOMAN? Think about it. On Earth 2, Bruce and Selina had a daughter named Helena, and the baby's name is Helena.  |
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Post by blinker on Mar 30, 2006 21:54:27 GMT -5
Hey, Selian being the one, and the baby's name is Helena, 2/3 ain't bad. Let's see if the third is right.
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