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Post by All Star Batman on May 25, 2006 19:51:56 GMT -5
Well, I finally got parts 3-6 and am now caught up on everything. But I think I've narrowed it down to three possible suspects:
1. Harvey Dent- His Two-Face persona is reemerging and he's scarred himself once again in part 6.
2. The Tally Man- Recently killed Orca's husband and possibly Jason Bard at the end of part 5.
3. The Question- Hasn't appeared in this story yet, but has been said to have protected Gotham before Batman chose Harvey Dent.
This is what I think. But we'll finally find out next month when it all ends.
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Post by blinker on Jun 8, 2006 0:28:05 GMT -5
DETECTIVE COMICS #820:
REVIEW:
Story: Gordon listens to why Batman thinks Harvey Dent didn't murder those villians as Batman & Robin are fighting the Thomas Wayne Batman and the Earth 2 Robin with Superboy-Prime thanks to Scarecrow's gas. But as the Dynamic Duo return to Gotham Police HQ, Two Face announces his return.
On the Jason Bard side of things: he subdues the hitman that killed Orca's husband. As he reports back to Batman, he sees the news on Two Face.
Here is the gearup to the finale of the arc that is the next issue. Two Face returned in the previous issue, you knew it and he knew it. Now in this one: EVERYONE KNOWS IT. Now this could destroy Batman's idea that Harvey did not do those crimes but his idea (& my theory) still stands out.
In this issue: Batman tells Gordon that after examining the gun, the screws were taken off and rescrewed back plus the prints of Harvey were placed on. Now the question is: who is framing Harvey? With the theory of Two Face doin' the crimes to get Harvey back in the "good olde' days" in my brain, I believe Two Face did all this. You would have to wonder why the title of this arc is "FACE THE FACE", as in Harvey's face FACE-ING Two Face. Make sense.
Now that the Crisis happened, even the current DCU knows the multiverse and the differences of even themsleves and the world they live. Due to Scarecrow's gas: Batman fights the Thomas Wayne Batman. The whole thing behind his dad as the caped crusader was that around the '40s and '50s, Batman remembered that his dad wore a bat costume on one halloween night and thus would be one of the influences he had becomin Batman. And Robin fought two people: first was Earth 2 Robin, which fought defending Gotham alongside Earth 2 Huntress after Batman of Earth 2 died. And finally; he fought Superboy-Prime. How he fought him leads more into what Batman's plans for Robin (I'll get back to you on that) as Robin did not do anything in the killing part of fighting, he just fought him. Nothing more, nothing less. Proving he can control his anger.
Also, on Scarecrow: talk about a Batman Begins reference. His design is that of the Cillian Murphy Scarectrow from the movie. I wonder if they did that for fun, or its related to the New Earth result of the end of Infinite Crisis, I don't know. I thought it was a good thing pointing out.
As for Batman's plans for Robin: what happened in this issue? He told Robin he had plans for him....that's it. Not much but at least he knows. And Batman said he wants to talk about it after the Harvey thing is taken care of. With only one more issue to go, we will FINALLY know what will he has in store.
Also, we have development on one of the new cops in Gotham: Harper. Batman found out she is the grandniece of the Guardian from the Golden Age. And something he kinda avoided in Detective Comics #817: he greets her and tells her its nice to have her in Gotham. Why he didn't do that when he returned is on my mind: one reason is prolly THE reason is that he was light now but when he returned he wanted to still make the same impression that he was still dark Batman and nothing lighter, and less of a dick. So that might have been the case.
Overall; this was a good issue. Now one more issue to go to finish the run and all our questions will be answered!
RATING: 8/10
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 8, 2006 10:17:38 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Oh this is going to be good intrade Paperback!!!  ;D[/glow] |
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 8, 2006 12:13:24 GMT -5
So did the guy whose killing these villains kill anymore villains in this one?
And like I said before, the following three that I wrote above are my prime suspects: Two-Face, Tally Man, or Question. While I have a gut feeling it's always been Harvey, I can't help but think it's Question.
I think it's cool that they gave Scarecrow his Begins look though.
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Post by blinker on Jun 8, 2006 12:32:27 GMT -5
No villians died.
(Play nice. - Reideen)
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 8, 2006 12:38:37 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Well is there supposed to be a villain that dies?!!![/glow]
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Post by Batman Prevails on Jun 10, 2006 0:40:24 GMT -5
Honestly am I the only one who is totally disappointed with Two-Face's return? He scarres himself...again! How lame is that? He did it before. I wish the writers came up with something more original and more creative especially because the Harvey Dent character had so much potential. This was a golden opportunity to show sides of the character we have not seen yet but the writers totally blew it. Personally I think is return is as lame as the reason why Todd is still alive.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 10, 2006 8:30:52 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Yeah I slightly agree the starting in hush was pointless if they have done this!  [/glow] |
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Post by TheQuestion on Jun 11, 2006 21:17:07 GMT -5
I have a feeling it's Dent.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 21, 2006 21:06:36 GMT -5
We are just one week away from the shocking conclusion of FACE THE FACE. Our questions will finally be answered. Who has framed Harvey Dent for the killings? And what is Batman decision that will affect his relationship with Robin? The answers to these questions, plus the final showdown between Batman and Two-Face, will all take place in one week!
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Post by TheQuestion on Jun 21, 2006 21:26:15 GMT -5
Ahh! Cliffhangers!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 27, 2006 22:32:48 GMT -5
The final chapter will be released tommorrow. Hold back no spoilers! We have all waited for months wanting to know who framed Harvey and what Batman's decision is about Robin! Oh, the suspense!
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Post by blinker on Jun 28, 2006 17:55:16 GMT -5
BATMAN #654:
REVIEW:
Story: Harvey is now Two Face again and he has taken control of Gotham Zoo. The hostages includes the people who work there at night and animals. Batman & Robin head on to stop him, while feeling guilt, Batman knows he's innocent. After some beat downs, Batman finally confronts the real man who framed Harvey and tells his proposal to Tim.
The finale is here. Its hard to do finales to storylines in comics. This is a final confronation tied to an epilogue of the story. What Robinson decided to do with this arc was tell a true detective, mystery story featuring Batman. The ending has a sherlock holmes/Law & Order: Criminal Intent feel when he confronts the real killer. Now I could be saying this because of this arc and this may have happened before and I just don't remember so bear with me.
Now I know what peole want to know first from this finale so I'll do that first. What is Bruce's plan for Tim: well its what everyone thought it would be. Bruce wants to adopt Tim as his ward since he has no family anymore, and while Bruce himself converted a stable to be Tim's new home , since they are a family and a team, he wants to adopt him so he won't be alone forever. But he can't do that if he wants, he wants to hear if Tim wants to be a ward and asks him. Tim's answer...its a yes. Is this a problem? I don't think so. Bruce Wayne after Infinite Crisis is a changed man. Not a dick anymore. Having Tim Drake as a ward is a good idea since Bruce knows he die this to Dick Grayson, worked out well but the darker times were kicking in and seperated the connection. He probably wants to fix that, number one. And two: he wants to help Tim to have a family again after he loss his father and his friend due to the Crisis.
Him being a changed man has been shown throughout this arc and other OYLs (ex. Robin). Before IC, if he thought Havey did these crimes, he would've stayed on that to the very end, not even for a second thinking otherwise. And then be pisted off that he was wrong. Now; he knew Harvey didn't do it and just what: he was right. Yet, he has some guilt if he had done it which he didn't (pointed out by Robin, another reason why he needs him).
And who was the real culprit? At first we all thought it was Two Face doing the crimes to force Harvey back, thought I did, but it wasn't the case. It was someone else and we didn't have ANY clue whatsoever that it was this guy. The real culprit was Warren White aka The Great White Shark. Reason? He was one of those guys who would ruin people's lives. But he didn't have anythign against Dent at first. He has been setting up to be Gotham's new Crime Boss from Arkham. Something that even made Penguin leave. He had business with the villians that apepared in this arc but Dent was in their way as he was stopping them from moving. To counter this, Warren White hired Tally Man to kill and frame Dent. Thus making Dent believe he was the killer and losing trust with Batman that made him become Two Face.
THAT was unexpected. And I'am sorry if that spoiled you.
Overall; this was a good issue. A new villian, return of an old one, and finally a new beginning for Tim Drake's life as this is a new beginning for Batman & Robin. With this issue, Batman OYL is over and its time to move on from that. This was a great start for new readers and it worked out well.
For those who didn't get these issues, then get the TPB.
RATING: 9/10
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 28, 2006 18:46:09 GMT -5
What a twist. I don't even know who this guy is. Wait, what happened to Harvey?
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Post by blinker on Jun 28, 2006 19:16:49 GMT -5
Thats because he's a new villian.
As for Harvey, he's waiting for the next time he'll strike next. The last shot of him, he's standing on top of a building that reminds me of the famous shot of BTAS.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 28, 2006 19:22:07 GMT -5
Well, the story's over. Which means this thread will sink to the next page soon, or at least until someone waits to get the TPB to read it. But it's the beginning of a new era for Batman and Robin, as brand new creative teams begin their run next month on BATMAN and DETECTIVE COMICS.
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Post by blinker on Jun 28, 2006 19:56:43 GMT -5
As far as I know, you didn't get these issues. Or did you? If not, then is the TPB on your "to buy" list?
Plus, on your opinion from my reviews since I explained in full detail to the review of the lasest issue, what did you think of this arc?
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 28, 2006 20:24:09 GMT -5
I have been getting the issues. But I don't usually get them until I go to pick up my monthly haul. I was just referring to those who were going to wait and get the TPB to read it.
As for the arc, I thought it was pretty good. Alot of mystery for me, so many suspects and it was someone we didn't even know. Plus it was nice to see some of the old villains back like Croc, Scarecrow, Killer Moth, Ivy, Hatter, and the return of Two-Face. And it's great to have the Dynamic Duo as a team again.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 29, 2006 19:40:50 GMT -5
I got the final chapter today, and nobody said that this Great White Shark took it literally. He has no nose and sharp teeth. I mean wow, I was kind freaked out when I saw him.
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Post by ProfessorHStrange on Jul 25, 2006 16:41:29 GMT -5
I loved Face The face!
Great White Shark looked awesome. I hope he returns!
Two-Face is back!
Good to see Killer Moth in an updated costume. I hope to see more of Killer Moth!
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Post by Jed Raven on Aug 11, 2006 18:43:41 GMT -5
What a twist. I don't even know who this guy is. Thats because he's a new villian. Not that new. He was the protagonist in the 'Arkham Asylum: Living Hell' series by Dan Slott a few years back. I thought that character had potential at the time, so I'm glad to see him return. I was still disappointed with this arc overall, though... |
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Post by twistedangel9 on Aug 20, 2006 15:49:07 GMT -5
I think the Toyman should create a new advanced robotic Scarface and control him romotely. I'd love to see more of Toyman in Gotham. Didn't I say this? And now what? Robotic Scarefaces! If it's the Toyman, i'm going to be happy but shocked. |
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Post by Severen on Sept 10, 2006 20:42:37 GMT -5
Given the general reception to this in most places I must be one of the only ones disappointed by this arc. I mean it was well written by James Robinson to a point (much, much better than Bruce Jones recent Man-Bat mini for example), but the choices made, and the happy fluffy time softening of certain characterizations to such a degree, particularly Batman's and Bullock's, just kinda left me with a bit of a "meh" taste in my mouth. I have no problem with reigning the darkness back a bit, particularly in regards to his most trusted friends and allies, but Batman should never be as approachable and happy go lucky as they now seem to have made him. It doesn't feel like Batman, it feels like a generic clone knockoff. Bugs me.
Also wrapping up the mystery with the "twist" of bringing in an, until now, pretty obscure character who wasn't even referenced or hinted at in any way in the previous seven issues of the story (or elsewhere in recent DCU-land) isn't the answer to a mystery, it's merely a cheat. A mystery isn't a real mystery if it's impossible to predict and there is no hope at all of the reader solving it, or even having the broadest of ideas of who it might be, and the way this unwound the reader deliberately had no hope of that. In fact I still don't even buy how Batman suddenly solved it, felt more like a quick wrap up than a natural unfolding of events. Also it doesn't help matters that The Great White Shark is now seemingly being written and turned into Black Mask v2.0, Hell, he even looks like Black Mask, only paler.
As for the deaths, killing off Magpie and Orca I can live with, hell I can even live with them killing off a more known character such as the KGBeast, though it doesn't exactly thrill me. But killing off The Ventriloquist and Scarface out and out sucks. Still, when was the last time that the killed off a Bat-villian who had any level of history to their character and who actually stayed dead...
On the upside, even though it was a pretty predictable and obvious way to go about things, the Two-Face stuff was pretty good, especially his tortured conversations with himself. And overall I guess it did what it was clearly there to set out to do, and that's to return Gotham to a certain status quo, for good and for bad, fixing some past mistakes and returning some classic charcaters, while simultaneosly making a couple of new mistakes all it's own.
Overall I'd give it a 7/10 - certainly worth a read, but not all that, and frankly I expected better from someone of Robinson's calibre. Other's mileage may of course vary.
Sev.
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