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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Jun 4, 2006 20:37:27 GMT -5
Just read this over at Newsarama:
"It was again explained that Nightwing was originally intended to die in Infinite Crisis, and that you can see the arc that was supposed to end with his death in the series. After long discussions, the death edict was reversed, but the decision was made that, if they're keeping him, he would have to be changed. The next arc of the ongoing series will further explain the changes, it was said"
Were they serious...I mean we're talking Dick Grayson! The heir to the mantel and one of the coolest characters in comics!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 4, 2006 20:49:32 GMT -5
Dick: "Holy crisis, Batman! They were going to kill me!"
My god, they were actually serious about killing Dick freakin' Grayson? They were planning to kill Nightwing? This would be like killing Bruce off. My god. What were they smoking when they came up with this idea?
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Post by wavedash on Jun 4, 2006 20:54:28 GMT -5
You never know these days...with Didio in charge.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jun 5, 2006 9:59:34 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Kill Dick!!! 
Well im gald they did'nt 
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Post by reideen1313 on Jun 5, 2006 12:33:20 GMT -5
Just read this over at Newsarama: "It was again explained that Nightwing was originally intended to die in Infinite Crisis, and that you can see the arc that was supposed to end with his death in the series. After long discussions, the death edict was reversed, but the decision was made that, if they're keeping him, he would have to be changed. The next arc of the ongoing series will further explain the changes, it was said" Were they serious...I mean we're talking Dick Grayson! The heir to the mantel and one of the coolest characters in comics! Yep. I've been saying all along that Dick is expendable. As a matter of fact, I commented on it AGAIN at LOG's comic blog last Friday. |
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Post by Batlaw on Jun 5, 2006 13:14:01 GMT -5
While I agree with a lot of your perspective on Dick Grayson Reid, I dont believe there is enough involvement or interest by the "general public" to classify Dick as expendable. I dont think there is much at all of a "casual audience" anymore with comics. The hobby is being held together IMO nowadays by the purists and longtime/hardcore fans and those being postured into becoming such. I'm not naive enough to believe Dick's demise wouldve been anything more than pure (temporary) "spectacle", but I still wouldve been furious. It stunk when they killed Hal, but there were valid points to it. It was stupid (IMO) to resurrect Jason Todd, but despite it all there were/are wild, creative and possibly powerful potential stories that could come from it and even it out... hasnt really happened yet though IMO lol. But killing Dick would serve no purpose beyond spectacle and controversy... like a Lesbian Batwoman lol.
Im just glad they didn't do. Not because I dont wanna see him die (which I wouldn't) but because it would only serve to cheapen a such a great and important character IMO.
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Post by wavedash on Jun 5, 2006 13:51:43 GMT -5
He's important, but his comic has been pretty bad for a long time. The writers seem to like making him lose constantly to people he should be mopping the floor with and also get sexual with every woman around. I don't think that makes him great.
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Post by /\/\att on Jun 5, 2006 16:35:17 GMT -5
I think the problem is that Dick Grayson is important...but Nightwing...he's not so much. DC seems to think of it the other way around. They seem to think that the mantle of Nightwing is valid without Dick, which I don't feel it is in the slightest.
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Jun 5, 2006 17:55:55 GMT -5
I think the problem is that Dick Grayson is important...but Nightwing...he's not so much. DC seems to think of it the other way around. They seem to think that the mantle of Nightwing is valid without Dick, which I don't feel it is in the slightest. Bingo Matt, right on the money. Dick Grayson is important regardless of the costume he wears. It's his connection to much of the DCU that makes him both interesting and relevant. In addition he's one of the few characters who actually "grew up" in the comics. |
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Post by Batlaw on Jun 5, 2006 23:30:52 GMT -5
I think the problem is that Dick Grayson is important...but Nightwing...he's not so much. DC seems to think of it the other way around. They seem to think that the mantle of Nightwing is valid without Dick, which I don't feel it is in the slightest. Bingo Matt, right on the money. Dick Grayson is important regardless of the costume he wears. It's his connection to much of the DCU that makes him both interesting and relevant. In addition he's one of the few characters who actually "grew up" in the comics. Double bingo! thats round about what I was trying to impart. Theres a difference between the Persona and the Person and at least a degree of difference between expendable and "replaceable"  The persona of Nightwing is certainly expendable and replaceable... Dick Grayson however is neither imo. Another example: Robin is replaceable, but not expendable. |
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Post by Severen on Sept 10, 2006 20:55:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I've gotta agree, killing off Dick Grayson would be not only a huge mistake, but a huge, rediculous and gimmicky mistake. I mean it'd be like thinking Batman "should get over it, lighten up and have a little fun already" to paraphrase Joel Schumacher...and they'd never do that in the comics...Oh. Right. Damn it. Sev. |
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Post by blinker on Sept 10, 2006 22:27:24 GMT -5
I think he was planned to die since if you think about it: Superman losing Conner, Wonder Woman losing her home, with Batman losing Nightwing it would be equel witht eh other two and would explain and fit with right now as Tim Drake is now his ward. Now that Batman didn't lose anybody, he got off scott free while the other two experience loss.
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Post by /\/\att on Sept 10, 2006 23:44:54 GMT -5
I think he was planned to die since if you think about it: Superman losing Conner, Wonder Woman losing her home, with Batman losing Nightwing it would be equel witht eh other two and would explain and fit with right now as Tim Drake is now his ward. Now that Batman didn't lose anybody, he got off scott free while the other two experience loss. Well, with all due respect, I don't think its fair to say that Batman has ever got off "scott free". He carries pain and guilt with him on a daily basis. In my mind, the loss experienced by the other two members of the 'trinity' simply brings them closer to the world that Bruce lives in every day. Evened the playing field a little. Its more difficult to judge him like they do when their lives are being turned upside down. |
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Sept 11, 2006 15:32:14 GMT -5
How could they even consider killing off Dick Grayson? That is just a stupid idea all together. As far as Nightwing not being important but Dick is, I disagree to an extent. Nightwing is his declaration that he is no longer a sidekick. He is his own man at this point. I don't think the name should be separated from Nightwing because Dick Grayson is either Robin or Nightwing, and he is too old to go back to Robin.
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Post by batkit on Sept 11, 2006 19:05:23 GMT -5
Aside from Selina Kyle I think Dick Grayson is my favorite character in comics. the Nightwing book isn't really that great, though. i only read it from time to time and i started reading again after OYL, but the creators just don't seem to put as much into it as some other books IMO. It would be nice to see something changed up to make the book better or to do more with Dick as a character, but killing him would be t e r r i b l e.
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Post by Hush Riddler on Sept 16, 2006 6:02:22 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]They're killing off so many important villains and heroes... I actually have a book containing the information of thoses that were killed and those whom are MIA. It's amazing what they do these days. [/shadow]
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Post by darkfire1978 on Sept 17, 2006 10:15:37 GMT -5
Nightwing dead would have brought up a lot of conversation and saddness within the comic world. I am glad that they scrapped the idea but a little concered about how the characther is going to change. Bludhaven is gone, thanks to Chemo...so Dick Grayson is homeless...unless he moves back in with Daddy Bruce. Which city will Nightwing relocate to now? Star City, Central or Metropolis? Will he stay in Gotham? Im hoping the drastic chance with him, will be nothing more than a location change and a focus on fighting crime...perhaps be more aggresive and less "weak". The whole being beat up to get up and fight again works with Superman, but with Dick Grayson it shows that maybe he needs a little more training.
Grayson might retire alltogether and live life as a cop. The engagement to Babs seems off, but they might be getting ready to tie the knot...he would be married making him a different man, with different goals. I think the future is up to the writers. Heros change and as upsetting as it is, it is very needed. We wouldnt want the same hero, living a boring life without tragedy or obstacles to face.
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 17, 2006 13:13:40 GMT -5
Nightwing dead would have brought up a lot of conversation and saddness within the comic world. I am glad that they scrapped the idea but a little concered about how the characther is going to change. Bludhaven is gone, thanks to Chemo...so Dick Grayson is homeless...unless he moves back in with Daddy Bruce. Which city will Nightwing relocate to now? Star City, Central or Metropolis? Will he stay in Gotham? Im hoping the drastic chance with him, will be nothing more than a location change and a focus on fighting crime...perhaps be more aggresive and less "weak". The whole being beat up to get up and fight again works with Superman, but with Dick Grayson it shows that maybe he needs a little more training. He's working in New York now. |
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