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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 20, 2008 16:52:38 GMT -5
www.another batman site/news.php?action=fullnews&id=66 "The Brave And The Bold" - DC's Next Animated Series? February 18, 2008 by James Harvey
The classic team-up comic book The Brave And The Bold could be the next DC Comics-inspired animated series from Warner Bros. Animation.
While nothing is confirmed at this time, the The Brave And The Bold animated series will apparently center around Batman teaming up with a different DC superhero in each episode. The series will also apparently have no ties to any previous animated incarnations. The Brave And The Bold is rumored to premiere next fall though, once again, nothing is confirmed at this time.
News on the next DC-inspired animated series should start trickling out soon. Stay tuned for further developments.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Feb 20, 2008 17:12:29 GMT -5
It doesn't really make sense not to have it connected to THE BATMAN. You already have a popular show that has already designed alot of the characters you are going to use anyway for the new show. It should be a no brainer from just a money/cost perspective. Also would help in cutting down on preparation and filming time.
Also, over on worlds finest message board. There is a small rumor - A SMALL RUMOR - that there is an anime Batman show in development. They might just be confusing it with the upcoming Gotham Knight, but it says something about 13 eps. Thinking about it though, wouldn't an adult Batman cartoon that would need to be on adult swim or something like that be awesome.
I'm starting to kinda agree with the people that say there are to many incarnations of the character in the electronic media alone that it might confuse people. Although Batman is up there with characters that people can see it in any form and automaticly know who it is. (I love how the same people that gave us the embargo's so as not to confuse people are now doing something that could be even more confusing. But thats a whole other topic.)
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Post by All Star Batman on Feb 20, 2008 17:48:16 GMT -5
Also, over on worlds finest message board. There is a small rumor - A SMALL RUMOR - that there is an anime Batman show in development. They might just be confusing it with the upcoming Gotham Knight, but it says something about 13 eps. Thinking about it though, wouldn't an adult Batman cartoon that would need to be on adult swim or something like that be awesome. That would be cool.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 27, 2008 23:05:06 GMT -5
It doesn't really make sense not to have it connected to THE BATMAN. You already have a popular show that has already designed alot of the characters you are going to use anyway for the new show. It should be a no brainer from just a money/cost perspective. Also would help in cutting down on preparation and filming time. i disagree. if the show was to have ties to any show it should be JLU. 5 non batman heroes were on The Batman. he's not just going to team with the same heroes over and over again. i recommend getting the Showcase Presents: Brave and the Bold - The Batman Team-Ups vol. 1 and 2 and you'll what the series was made for. the goal was to team Batman with characters that he normally would never team with. on JLU a whole ton of characters were introduced in JLU, the majority of which will most likely be on this show.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Feb 27, 2008 23:55:59 GMT -5
I never said he would team up with only those heroes. But in any case those heroes intro'd in THE BATMAN would be the first ones he teamed up with at the begining of the show just to help get it established. Do you really think that WB would have the first eps with Batman teaming up with Sgt. Rock, The Metal Men, or Deadman. Heroes that the general public doesn't know anything about. Heroes that little kids (the audience this show will go for) would know even less about. Granted as the series progressed, lesser known heroes would debut. Believe me, Id love to see Ragman, Black Lightning, Blue Beetle, and some of the heroes from JLU that deserved actual lines instead of background cameos. But not in the begining while the show is trying to gain an audience AND ratings.
Which takes me back to my point of why it should be connected to THE BATMAN. DrGreenEvil
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 28, 2008 0:31:53 GMT -5
the first episode is obvious that it'll be Batman/Superman. but from there it really could be anyone. it also depends on when they base it. if it's going to be modern age then it cant be based on The Batman as the other heroes were from the Silver Age. i'd love to see a Batman/Hawkman team up, but not Katar (especially how he is on The Batman), it's got to be Carter and how he is currently (not the JLU version either, which is also horrible). also Batman teamed with The Creeper alot in BATB, and Creeper is known in the DCAU to all viewers. we'll have to wait and see, but i really cant see it being based on The Batman and i wouldnt want it based on that series. they should stick with the modern age. if they gear it towards kids, then expect it to be moden age. i'm thinking it may be like Super Friends (the toy line and comic, not the original cartoon).
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Feb 28, 2008 0:52:22 GMT -5
the first episode is obvious that it'll be Batman/Superman. but from there it really could be anyone. it also depends on when they base it. if it's going to be modern age then it cant be based on The Batman as the other heroes were from the Silver Age. i'd love to see a Batman/Hawkman team up, but not Katar (especially how he is on The Batman), it's got to be Carter and how he is currently (not the JLU version either, which is also horrible). also Batman teamed with The Creeper alot in BATB, and Creeper is known in the DCAU to all viewers. we'll have to wait and see, but i really cant see it being based on The Batman and i wouldnt want it based on that series. they should stick with the modern age. if they gear it towards kids, then expect it to be moden age. i'm thinking it may be like Super Friends (the toy line and comic, not the original cartoon). That the thing though. The public at large does not know the modern age. They know and respond to the classic version of the characters. Thats why in THE BATMAN and even somewhat in JLU, the versions of the characters were basically there classic versions. Most people do not read comics. And us that have watched the DCAU and its formation, although a good portion, won't be the main audience this cartoon is going for. Alot of the people that tune into this wouldn't have been around for the DCAU. They would know THE BATMAN though. And even the Super Friends toyline is based on the classic versions. This cartoon it seems is being used to try and promote the DCU as a whole without rehasing or falling back on the JLA concept.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 28, 2008 2:00:35 GMT -5
the first episode is obvious that it'll be Batman/Superman. but from there it really could be anyone. it also depends on when they base it. if it's going to be modern age then it cant be based on The Batman as the other heroes were from the Silver Age. i'd love to see a Batman/Hawkman team up, but not Katar (especially how he is on The Batman), it's got to be Carter and how he is currently (not the JLU version either, which is also horrible). also Batman teamed with The Creeper alot in BATB, and Creeper is known in the DCAU to all viewers. we'll have to wait and see, but i really cant see it being based on The Batman and i wouldnt want it based on that series. they should stick with the modern age. if they gear it towards kids, then expect it to be moden age. i'm thinking it may be like Super Friends (the toy line and comic, not the original cartoon). That the thing though. The public at large does not know the modern age. They know and respond to the classic version of the characters. Thats why in THE BATMAN and even somewhat in JLU, the versions of the characters were basically there classic versions. Most people do not read comics. And us that have watched the DCAU and its formation, although a good portion, won't be the main audience this cartoon is going for. Alot of the people that tune into this wouldn't have been around for the DCAU. They would know THE BATMAN though. And even the Super Friends toyline is based on the classic versions. This cartoon it seems is being used to try and promote the DCU as a whole without rehasing or falling back on the JLA concept. Super Friends toyline has John Stewart as Green Lantern and Wally West as Flash, same as JLU. those arent the classic versions of either character. JLU was very modern and rarely was their a classic version of any character, especially not a main one. the show is based off the modern age, with the occasional nod to the Silver Age thrown in. The Batman had to use Silver Age versions due to it taking place early in Batman's career. also people dont need to know characters for them to make a show using them. Legion of Super Heroes is a prime example of that. i dont think any kid knew them before the show aired. JLU ended only 2 years ago, so why wouldnt the kids that would watch this show not know about it? why only viewers of The Batman, which came out before JLU began?
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Feb 28, 2008 11:03:16 GMT -5
I dont care anymore.
But you have to remember. TV viewers are not encumbered by the backstory and identity of the characters that are known in the comics. To them the Flash is the Flash. Aquaman is Aquaman. And with the exception of Batman and Superman, Id argue that the people at large dont know the secret identities of the heroes they are watching. They couldnt tell the difference between Barry or Wally. Heck even in JLU, Wally was basically an amalgam of Barry and Wally. He was a happy person but also worked at the police crime lab. And John Stewart has only been used to promote diversity, thats it. Not an attempt to make it more modern. They could have done that with Kyle Rayner. And the silver age argument doesnt really hold up in THE BATMAN because the Flash was Wally. People don't know the difference between silver age and modern age. Lowest common denominator.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 28, 2008 14:17:57 GMT -5
I dont care anymore. But you have to remember. TV viewers are not encumbered by the backstory and identity of the characters that are known in the comics. To them the Flash is the Flash. Aquaman is Aquaman. And with the exception of Batman and Superman, Id argue that the people at large dont know the secret identities of the heroes they are watching. They couldnt tell the difference between Barry or Wally. Heck even in JLU, Wally was basically an amalgam of Barry and Wally. He was a happy person but also worked at the police crime lab. And John Stewart has only been used to promote diversity, thats it. Not an attempt to make it more modern. They could have done that with Kyle Rayner. And the silver age argument doesnt really hold up in THE BATMAN because the Flash was Wally. People don't know the difference between silver age and modern age. Lowest common denominator. what episodes of The Batman were you watching with Wally West as Flash? the fact that Mirror Master was Sam Scudder should have tipped you off that it's Barry, and also the fact that every other character was Silver Age. Wally West never met or faced Sam Scudder ever, and i believe the producers of the show also stated that it was Barry Allen. in JLU, it was Wally West, and it was stated many times. he even unmasked and was clearly Wally West on the show. he stated his own name as such. there was no amalgam. clearly you didnt watch much of the show. Kyle Rayner was on JLU as well as John Stewart. again, you must not have seen all of the episodes, just a few. and you seem to have a very low opinion of people, particularly comic fans. any comic fan knows the difference between the Silver Age and the Modern Age. alot of comic fans do watch these shows, this forum and the Worlds Finest forum should show you this.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Feb 28, 2008 18:08:53 GMT -5
I'm arguing from the wb standpoint. Your arguing from the comic book standpoint.
And the Flash was never stated to be either or in THE BATMAN. The only hero to not have his identity revealed. And the producers only said that they liked to think it was Barry. They didnt even decide among themselves. And only comic book readers would know what Mirror Master that was. Kyle Raynor was nothing but a cameo.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 28, 2008 19:46:09 GMT -5
I'm arguing from the wb standpoint. Your arguing from the comic book standpoint. And the Flash was never stated to be either or in THE BATMAN. The only hero to not have his identity revealed. And the producers only said that they liked to think it was Barry. They didnt even decide among themselves. And only comic book readers would know what Mirror Master that was. Kyle Raynor was nothing but a cameo. every one knows what Mirror Master it was, his name was stated many times. what comic book standpoint am i arguing? i clearly stated that in JLU Flash was Wally West, you stated that it was a mix of Barry Allen and Wally West. that's not the WB standpoint, that's nonsense. in multiple episodes the Flash was revealed as Wally West in that show. and in The Batman, the producers did say it was Barry, but if that's not enough to prove that, then look at the costume he is wearing. it's Barry Allen's Flash costume, not Wally West's. as much as you'd like to believe that these are original characters created for their set programs, they are not. each character is based off of the respective comic character. so you can think people are moronic and dont know that these characters are from comic books all you like, but you'd be mistaken. ask anyone what Flash is and they'll tell you he's a comic book character. not one person will say he's a character from the show, The Batman. same thing with Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, and every other well known character. this began because you stated that these characters are more known from the show, The Batman, then from anywhere else, so it would be best if Brave and the Bold was set in the same universe as The Batman. i disagreed, and still do. these characters are all well known without having been on a show prior. also, the fact that they're naming the show, The Brave and the Bold, should tell you who their intended audience is. not too many children and everyday people know what that is. ask any comic reader though, and everyone of them can tell you, plus tell you their favorite issue and also what they thought was the strangest team-up ever from that series.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Feb 28, 2008 19:55:50 GMT -5
you win
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Post by darkfire1978 on Feb 29, 2008 18:46:50 GMT -5
Im kinda over WB already. You fall in love with a show and they pull it. So Brave and the Bold, will be great for a few years, release toys and then boom...cancelation. Over it.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Mar 3, 2008 17:18:16 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the possible toys for this upcoming toon...
After reading in the THE BATMAN threads how that it was really mattel that cancelled the show do to lack of toy sales. I wonder if going to the Brave and the Bold format was more from Mattel's request than wb actually wanting to make a show like this. Its common knowledge in the action figure world that heroes sell better than villians. This show will have Batman teaming up with a new hero every ep. The toyline could very well be nothing but heroes which in Mattel's eyes could help sell it better.
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Post by jlavaia on Mar 3, 2008 17:31:21 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the possible toys for this upcoming toon... After reading in the THE BATMAN threads how that it was really mattel that cancelled the show do to lack of toy sales. I wonder if going to the Brave and the Bold format was more from Mattel's request than wb actually wanting to make a show like this. Its common knowledge in the action figure world that heroes sell better than villians. This show will have Batman teaming up with a new hero every ep. The toyline could very well be nothing but heroes which in Mattel's eyes could help sell it better. DrGreenEvil heroes dont sell better than villains. look at the Select Sculpt line from Mattel. every hero fig except Azrael shelf warmed, but every villain sold out the day stores stocked them. the new line of The Batman figs arent moving in any of the stores around Durham, NC. Wal-Mart has the whole series in abundance and has for a few weeks now. Target has everyone but Hawkman, and TRU has them all as well. it's strictly a heroes line, and it isnt moving. look at Marvel Legends as well, i walk into a store and i see all heroes. Danger is like the only villain who hasnt sold well from that line. in the Fantastic Four Marvel Legends line, which has alot of villains in it, the only figs you'll see from that line are Mr. Fantastic and The Thing. i can go on and on.
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Post by ayenlou on Mar 4, 2008 22:34:03 GMT -5
They should make a Nightwing series =P
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Post by TheQuestion on Mar 6, 2008 17:54:48 GMT -5
They should make a Nightwing series =P Psh....what we really need is a Batmite cartoon.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Mar 6, 2008 19:31:04 GMT -5
Hey... Maybe we'll see Batmite in this new show.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Mar 7, 2008 13:27:31 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of a Nightwing cartoon. They could even do it as a continuation of TB. Bring on The Nightwing!
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Post by jlavaia on Mar 8, 2008 1:23:43 GMT -5
this is starting to get way off topic. this thread is for the current upcoming animated series, The Brave and the Bold. yes a Nightwing series might be cool, but it is very doubtful that it will occur anytime soon. Nightwing's rogues gallery isnt quite suited for children anyway and i wouldnt want the characters to be dulled down and ruined just to appease a show. anyone can easily start up a Suggestion Thread about a Nightwing show or just a thread like: who wants a Nightwing show? or something like that and we can keep this thread for BATB. i really doubt Nightwing will appear on Brave and the Bold, but who knows. it all depends on what era they base this series on. we might not even see Robin. the goal of this show is to expose viewers to different characters that they may not have seen before or know about. it's also designed to showcase unlikely team-ups and classic team-ups.
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Post by Batlaw on Mar 8, 2008 2:42:51 GMT -5
Do we know ANYTHING about this supposed show? Honestly? A couple random Internet postings ("rumors") is all we know. Nothing confirmed. Nothing verifiable. Nothing absolute.
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Post by darkfire1978 on Mar 8, 2008 12:05:32 GMT -5
Who knows anymore. They are killing off DC shows one by one. I thought the WB had owned or had a partnership with DC...why are they taking on Marvel shows? ANother Spiderman show??? why??
Whatever, im done complaining.
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Post by jlavaia on Mar 8, 2008 18:29:34 GMT -5
Who knows anymore. They are killing off DC shows one by one. I thought the WB had owned or had a partnership with DC...why are they taking on Marvel shows? ANother Spiderman show??? why?? Whatever, im done complaining. Warner Brothers the company owns both DC and the television station CW. it's money for them to air a Spider-Man show. Marvel pays them to air the show. once again though this is way off topic. there already is a completely seperate board for the new Spider-Man animated series. Matt even set up a new site completely for that show. Spider-Man will not be on The Brave and the Bold.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Mar 8, 2008 18:35:41 GMT -5
this is starting to get way off topic. this thread is for the current upcoming animated series, The Brave and the Bold. yes a Nightwing series might be cool, but it is very doubtful that it will occur anytime soon. Nightwing's rogues gallery isnt quite suited for children anyway and i wouldnt want the characters to be dulled down and ruined just to appease a show. anyone can easily start up a Suggestion Thread about a Nightwing show or just a thread like: who wants a Nightwing show? or something like that and we can keep this thread for BATB. i really doubt Nightwing will appear on Brave and the Bold, but who knows. it all depends on what era they base this series on. we might not even see Robin. the goal of this show is to expose viewers to different characters that they may not have seen before or know about. it's also designed to showcase unlikely team-ups and classic team-ups. This thread is getting a bit off topic. But the only reason for that is because we have not been given any more information. I would consider this speculation and seeing as we don't have anything else at the moment, it is perfectly fine voice our opinions.
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Post by coliv1977 on Mar 8, 2008 19:56:15 GMT -5
I'm always looking forward to new DC cartoons that show the various JLA characters in diffrent ways. This "team-ups" thing should be great! Something I've thought of, and would love to see is: A DC animated program that goes into the origins of many of the different heroes. It would showcase a different hero every week and show how they became who they became. One show deals with Superman and shows the impending destruction of Krypton and how his parents put him in a rocket ship and send him to earth, the next ep would show Batman's origin, etc. All the obscure characters that were shown in JLU would be highlighted and their origins detailed. God knows there are a ton of characters to cover, and then after the heroes, start doing the villains
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Post by All Star Batman on Mar 12, 2008 16:31:32 GMT -5
Do we know ANYTHING about this supposed show? Honestly? A couple random Internet postings ("rumors") is all we know. Nothing confirmed. Nothing verifiable. Nothing absolute. Well, it's confirmed: www.another batman site/news.php?action=fullnews&id=95
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Post by jasontodd2 on Mar 18, 2008 9:24:32 GMT -5
YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
I have been waiting for a show like this for years. (I was hoping for a live action TV Series, but cartoon form works just as good)
The Brave and The Bold has endless possibilities for team ups with Batman and I for one am looking forward to seeing an entirely new revamp of Batman, something far away from The Batman, which was a fun and entertaining show, but I think The Batman twisted around alot of the characters that we all knew and loved, I hope with the new show they keep to how the characters are supposed to be represented.
It would be great to see a Jim Aparo influence to the animation to this show, for some reason I think it would fit in perfectly. I also wouldn't mind seeing a Mark Bagley, Neal Adams or Norm Breyfogle approach to the animation either.
Teams Ups that I am totally hoping for:
Batman and Robin (Dick Grayson) Superman and Batman Deadman/Batman The Creeper/Batman Metamporpho/Batman Wonder Woman/Batman Swamp Thing/Batman
I also hope with the Wonder Woman team up that they somehow further or start up a romance between Bruce and Dianna. I thought it played out pretty good in the Justice League cartoons and it would be neat to really see it played out.
Also if the episode with Metamporpho works better with a Batman and The Outsiders tie in I wouldn't mind seeing that one either.
If this show does happen and they also feature superhero team ups other than Batman and ? I would like to see the following:
Green Arrow & Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) & Booster Gold (Micheal John Carter) and along with Fire & Ice The Question & Elongated Man
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Post by Ruseri on Mar 23, 2008 23:54:23 GMT -5
Based on a reliable source (a writer who worked on several episodes of The Batman), it's looking like The Brave and the Bold will, in fact, be a continuation of The Batman's established universe, rather than the entirely new version we've previously been led to believe it would be. The following are statements made by said writer;
"The Batman wasn't cancelled, it was the Kids WB network that was "cancelled" -- The Batman is continuing onward as The Brave and The Bold and switching to the Cartoon Network. It will feature the same designs, voices, etc. It's simply Batman doing superhero match-ups somewhat like some of Season five."
"My point in writing here is to offer what I do know about the upcoming Brave and The Bold version of Batman. It will be airing on the Cartoon Network in the late fall. There is a 26 episode commitment at this point. As you know or expect, it will be a Batman-based superhero match-up show. But The plan is NOT to use the same old superheroes. For instance, one of the first match-ups will be Batman and Blue Beetle. Robin and Batgirl are not expected to figure in the show. It's being story edited by Michael Jelenic who was in charge of the writing on Season 4 of The Batman."
"The match-ups will be different. Not the same old Justice League members. As I said before, the match-up focus will be on less known figures such as Blue Beetle. This is all in the planning stages, but there's always a chance that the Cartoon Network could get nervous and demand more familiar superheroes show up. We'll see..."
I've been given flack for throwing his name around in prior message forums I've released this information at, so you'll have to excuse me for not revealing his identity. But trust me, he would know what he's talking about.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Mar 24, 2008 13:02:02 GMT -5
My thing about that report from the supposed writer is that it conflicts with every other rumor we have heard about this show.
We orginally heard that it would not be in continuity with THE BATMAN and be a whole new show. We even got some evidence of this from the guy who said he auditioned for the role of Batman. He said he didn't get it, BUT did hear the guy that did. Said it was different.
But now we have this writer who says its basically just THE BATMAN renamed and moved to Cartoon Network. His report goes against everything we had heard up till then.
It just seems that we don't know which one, if either, is credible. The guy saying he auditioned or the guy saying he is a writer for the show.
Really wish something official would come out about this show. DrGreenEvil
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