crusader185
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Post by crusader185 on Jan 7, 2007 2:32:56 GMT -5
I noticed that in TNBA, Bruce Wayne is a lot more stiff, and cold. It's almost like he's Batman all the time. There's no contrast between his seporate Alter Egos. Even his voice seems to get more "Batman-ish". For example, listen to Bruce Wayne at the begining of "The Worry Men" and then listen to Bruce Wayne in "Never Fear". His voice just seems to loose all it's warmth. If you're in the dark about what I'm trying to say, just compare these two images from The World's Finest: From BTAS: The more "Human" Wayne www.another batman site/WF/batman/btas/bios/batman/53.jpg From TNBA, the always Stiff or angry Wayne. www.another batman site/WF/batman/tnba/bios/batman/24.jpg In the old series, if Bruce Wayne was this angry looking, you would think he was about to change to Batman in an instant. Does anyone else miss the old Bruce Wayne?
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 7, 2007 13:06:24 GMT -5
Not me. I personally really liked the evolution of the show and it's characters. Especially Bruce Wayne. I much prefer his look and in most ways his portrayal in TNBA. Though if there never had been a BTAS Bruce, I would likely agree TNBA Bruce as the first version would be stiff and lacking.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 7, 2007 15:45:11 GMT -5
Eh, I didn't really mind the change.
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crusader185
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Post by crusader185 on Jan 7, 2007 20:00:58 GMT -5
okay, maybe i'm just conceited
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 7, 2007 21:12:15 GMT -5
naahh. To each their own. And you are right. The Bruce of BTAS had more humanity and dimension/depth, but by the time of TNBA, Bruce had changed. As did the focus of the show. It was a common and natural progression.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jan 8, 2007 1:30:23 GMT -5
I think it works. In BTAS, he was still a little wet behind the ears. I think his change was a result of his falling out with Dick. As far as the voice, it also shows that Batman is becoming his dominant ego and it has seeped into his subconscious. This is further supported by his Beyond personality. Even though he does not wear the suit, he is still Batman. Over the years he tries to protect people, but the harder he tries the further he has to distance himself from others. I wouldn't be surprised if after what happened to Tim Drake in ROTJ, that he quit the JLU. This is just my interpretation of his character development and it is certainly up for debate.
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Post by crazyhatter on Jan 8, 2007 20:16:03 GMT -5
I noticed that in TNBA, Bruce Wayne is a lot more stiff, and cold. It's almost like he's Batman all the time. There's no contrast between his seporate Alter Egos. Even his voice seems to get more "Batman-ish". For example, listen to Bruce Wayne at the begining of "The Worry Men" and then listen to Bruce Wayne in "Never Fear". His voice just seems to loose all it's warmth. If you're in the dark about what I'm trying to say, just compare these two images from The World's Finest: From BTAS: The more "Human" Wayne www.another batman site/WF/batman/btas/bios/batman/53.jpg From TNBA, the always Stiff or angry Wayne. www.another batman site/WF/batman/tnba/bios/batman/24.jpg In the old series, if Bruce Wayne was this angry looking, you would think he was about to change to Batman in an instant. Does anyone else miss the old Bruce Wayne? If you get the chance rent the DTV Batman: Mystery of Batwoman and listen to the commentary. Bruce Timm and company actually talk a few minutes about how Kevin Conroy's voice evolved over the entire evloution of WB animation.
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Post by wayneson on Feb 19, 2007 19:28:44 GMT -5
naahh. To each their own. And you are right. The Bruce of BTAS had more humanity and dimension/depth, but by the time of TNBA, Bruce had changed. As did the focus of the show. It was a common and natural progression. While I agree with Batlaw that it is a natural progression that probably needed to happen (especially when the progression gets to the elderly Wayne in BB), I do prefer the BTAS version of Wayne, for several reasons. First, it establishes a contrast between Batman and his alter ego, in order to make sure that no one can see a similarity between Batman and Wayne. Secondly, it reflects Bruce's role as Dick's surrogate father, who needs nurturing, not cold, hard resolve. Third, it honors the memory of Thomas Wayne (and his surviving friend, Leslie Thompkins), who was about kindness and a helping hand, rather than the dark obsessions of justice and revenge that Batman often embraces. In other words, it was a delicate balance that seemed to tip towards "the dark side" by the time TNBA were created.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Feb 19, 2007 22:52:30 GMT -5
I think you're right about the change, but I dont care much to it. But I definately agree. This is what made B:TAS more enjoyable: the depth. TNBA's characters all lacked a lot, we just didnt get what was up to par in B:TAS and it really fell. We got a little back in BB from the old man.
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Post by BruceBatman on Jun 1, 2007 22:27:59 GMT -5
Actually I kind of like the change!
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