crusader185
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Post by crusader185 on Dec 21, 2007 21:37:48 GMT -5
The DCAU was revolutionary when it came to adding character development to episodes, but Superman never seems to be more than a cookie cutter hero that has amazing powers. Although that was not true with Justice League and Unlimited, does anyone think that he should have more developed characteristics in STAS? He never laughs, rarely smiles, and always looks ramrod stiff. Whats up with that? Don't get me wrong, I love watching Superman, it's just that he doesn't have as much a personality as his co-stars, which always is upsetting. It was rare in the series that Tim Daly got to show his voice acting potential in the show rather than his ubercool grunting skills. Couldn't there be more behind Superman than superpowers used properly? http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/mainman1/17.jpg[/img]
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Dec 22, 2007 17:17:36 GMT -5
Well I see what you mean as far as Superman not having much personality. But how much personality does he have in the comics or the movies? From what I've seen there really isn't that much depth to him in any of these mediums. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't see where he has any personality at all. I think that is a big reason why I like Batman more than Superman.
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Post by Batlaw on Dec 22, 2007 18:45:48 GMT -5
Well I see what you mean as far as Superman not having much personality. But how much personality does he have in the comics or the movies? From what I've seen there really isn't that much depth to him in any of these mediums. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't see where he has any personality at all. I think that is a big reason why I like Batman more than Superman. I was gonna reply similarly. I dont believe Superman has ever had altogether that much depth or "layers" character wise. I agree he can come off as "one dimensional" (which is why I prefer reading Supes in team books), and he often did in STAS. But STAS's interpretation of Supes IMO wasnt any more or less "bland" than the character naturally is. I also think STAS did manage along the way to hit the high notes Superman can offer. The series 2part finale and The Late Mr. Kent spring to mind... but anything ongoing with Superman will run out of steam and options pretty quick IMO. And I LOVE Superman!
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Post by crusader185 on Dec 22, 2007 21:25:30 GMT -5
that's true. I loved how much they improved him for Justice League. In the whole unlimited show he is becoming darker and broods often. He has never shifted in personality before, and I thought that it was very interesting. Also, his monologuing (spelled wrong I bet) in the final episode really shed some light on the character. too bad the show's over. I see how his lack of character means that the episode focuses on villians or other characters.
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Post by crusader185 on Dec 22, 2007 21:56:56 GMT -5
more pictures of a stiff/emotionless superman. http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/feedingtime/08.jpg[/img] http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/thewayofallflesh/10.jpg[/img] http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/stolenmemories/05.jpg[/img] http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/mainman2/15.jpg[/img] http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/twosacrowd/29.jpg[/img] http://another batman site/WF/superman/reviews/ghostinthemachine/19.jpg[/img] while some of them are cool, I wish they at least showed him with anger or suprise or something rather than a hazy blank stare. Batman never did that!... he was always frowning.
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Post by J-Man on Dec 23, 2007 16:34:34 GMT -5
Batman and Superman are two completely different characters. I wouldn't want Superman acting like Batman, and I definitely wouldn't want the reverse. I don't know how to read into Superman's appearance on STAS, but I do agree with what's been previously said. Superman isn't the most emotional hero out there, but that's because he doesn't need to be.
Plus, in my opinion, the times Superman did show intense emotion (for example, in the episode where Darkseid obliterated Turpin in front of everyone) outweighed all the times he was "stiff" and emotionless. It shows us that, in some respects, there is a somewhat tragic character behind all those amazing superpowers-- it just isn't as evident with Superman as it is with someone like Batman.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Dec 24, 2007 23:31:36 GMT -5
Well what all makes up Supes character? He was raised by loving parents and he uses his powers for good. He usually follows the law moreso than Batman. There just doesn't seem to be much in his characterization. In STAS, the cop guy was killed by Darkseid. That is all that really happened to him. I don't know much about the character as far pivotal moments in his history. It seems to me that every non-Justice League comic, show, or movie is just him fighting an alien or him fighting some device of Lex Luthor. Am I wrong here?
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Post by crusader185 on Dec 25, 2007 0:35:12 GMT -5
not really, and though there are always exceptions.
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Post by blackmask on Dec 29, 2007 13:23:39 GMT -5
yes he does.
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Post by blackmask on Dec 29, 2007 13:26:32 GMT -5
i agree with dark knightwing
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Post by megagents on Jan 7, 2008 20:10:21 GMT -5
He does all of his smiling and laughing as Clark Kent. No need for such emotions when danger is afoot.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jan 8, 2008 2:23:32 GMT -5
i want that character to be killed off and not come back
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Post by Batlaw on Jan 8, 2008 2:40:01 GMT -5
i want that character to be killed off and not come back Who? Clark? Im still not 100% if this thread is about Superman's static physical appearance / rendering as animated on the show, or the character of Superman himself entirely?
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Post by megagents on Jan 8, 2008 14:51:53 GMT -5
i want that character to be killed off and not come back Who? Clark? Im still not 100% if this thread is about Superman's static physical appearance / rendering as animated on the show, or the character of Superman himself entirely? I think crusader185 is mainly targeting Superman from Superman: TAS. Are you talking Clark? Clark creates more personal drama for Kal-el, otherwise he's Superman 24/7.
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Post by Dusty on Jan 10, 2008 20:22:13 GMT -5
I agree that in STAS he was an emotionless piece of crap sometimes but does he look dull, stiff, or emotionless here? to you guys? http://another batman site/WF/jl/episodes/secretorigins/p1/28.jpg[/img] www.another batman site/WF/jl/episodes/secretorigins/p1/09.jpg[/img] www.another batman site/WF/jl/episodes/secretorigins/p1/27.jpg[/img] www.another batman site/WF/jl/episodes/injusticeforall/p1/Pan09.jpg[/img] www.another batman site/WF/jl/episodes/thesavagetime/p1/09.jpg[/img] I couldn't find too many pictures of him just standing there being stiff, in JL he has alot more character development and emotion than he did in STAS, and in the show "Smallville" he is deeper and has much more character development too, D.
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Post by crusader185 on Jan 11, 2008 0:07:44 GMT -5
this is true. Ah, JLU rocks. and this is about both his personality and physical appearance, and isn't limited to STAS, it can branch out a bit.
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Post by Dusty on Jan 11, 2008 8:34:39 GMT -5
but you get my point tho right? it all depends on the some of the writers and artist who handle Superman, otherwise he is a pretty deep character IMO, and if you don't belive me watch Smallville from seasons 1-7 and on, D.
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Post by crusader185 on Jan 11, 2008 17:41:08 GMT -5
This is true. Thanks for your contributions!
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jan 11, 2008 22:40:48 GMT -5
I agree with the above statement. Superman in STAS= bland. Superman in JL & JLU= awesome. I think as a character, Supermann needs other heroes to interact with and point-counterpoint with. His and Green Arrow's intereaction in the Cadmus arc in JLU.
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Post by Shadow on Feb 12, 2008 18:26:43 GMT -5
Superman is best when he is under serious competiton and danger. The Doomsday saga is a good example. He has to use all his powers to next to none effect, and is being hurt by the other combatant. That is much more interesting and gripping to watch or read, it also brings out his courage and will to protect the people.
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Post by iangus911 on Mar 21, 2008 9:47:15 GMT -5
i hate supes as a title character personally but i like him om the JL shows & in books like Superman/Batman. he's so much more witty & sarcastic in that book when he's in an argument w/ batman & he also shows a lot of emotion like early on in the series when he battled a kryptonite/steroid pumped up lex luthor or when he got all overprotective of kara zor-el
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Post by jasontodd2 on Mar 22, 2008 17:13:03 GMT -5
I agree with the above statement. Superman in STAS= bland. Superman in JL & JLU= awesome. I think as a character, Supermann needs other heroes to interact with and point-counterpoint with. His and Green Arrow's intereaction in the Cadmus arc in JLU. Agreed, Superman in the JLU was an entirely different guy from Superman The Animated Series and in some episodes of Justice League. Some moments that stand out are his battles with Captain Atom, and Captain Marvel (Shazam) and how he was a bit torn with what is right and wrong, these story arcs really gave Superman depth and worked really well
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Post by SuperPa on Apr 3, 2008 16:55:22 GMT -5
I think if a person thinks that Superman is a bland Superhero they just dont see the depth of the character or understand the character.
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Post by To The Batcave! on May 12, 2008 21:02:06 GMT -5
i think that the superman animated series was based more on action than story and emotion.
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Post by Jack the Skull on May 17, 2008 10:31:19 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]Wow! Superman sure has changed over the years! I hated the STAS version. It was like they were trying to create a dark show about Superman which acted against the Character.
I enjoyed the JLU and "The Batman" versions of the Character.
What do you guys think?[/shadow]
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Post by Lucky Ladybug on Aug 20, 2008 10:15:27 GMT -5
(Is it still okay to reply to this? I didn't see anything in the rules about bumping threads, but most forums don't like when people do that. Judging by the gaps between posts, though, I'm guessing that's not a big issue here....)
I can't really comment on him in STAS, as I haven't seen that version. But I do really like him in JL/JLU and The Batman. If he's bland in some series, he definitely isn't in those. I really love how George Newbern interpreted his character. An awesome voice actor goes a long way in breathing life into a character, by how they say certain lines and the amount of emotion that's put in.
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Post by SuperPa on Aug 23, 2008 20:27:36 GMT -5
I think Timm in STAS showed the character of Superman to contrast to his Jlu version really well,Superman is starting off in STAS,he's doing the whole Superman thing for the first time and he's new to it.That played out so well in the series and Timm just gets the characters in both STAS and BTAS. In Justice League and Just League Unlimited Superman isn't really any older just maybe a few years but the character is wiser and more experienced and more together with himself and his role as a hero and Timm showed that really well in the League cartoons.
I think the character was great in all the Series's that Timm put him in.
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Post by batman1973 on Aug 24, 2008 8:25:27 GMT -5
I don't see what all the fuss is. Batman in any of his animated adventures wasn't an effervescent ray of sunshine either. Superman has a lot on his mind to really be chipper, He's always looked to as a leader when he doubts his role, the people see him as a "god"(as noted by Kara in the Batman/Superman comics) a role I'm sure he doesn't want, Deep down, although he is an alien, because of his Kansas upbrining, he's human, plauged by doubts and fears like us all
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Post by SuperPa on Aug 24, 2008 11:44:20 GMT -5
Yeah i mean like Batman said in the Superman/Batman series,"Superman is the most human of us all" which is what a lot of people don't understand about the character.
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Post by darkfire1978 on Aug 27, 2008 11:28:39 GMT -5
Superman, is one of those "morphable" characters...much like Tofu, takes on any flavor you cook it in. To me, I can't relate to Superman. He is too trusting and tends to be a big "kid" when it comes down to how to handle things (Read the most recent issue of Brave and the Bold, co-starring Catwoman). Batman to me, is a normal guy...with a little pet peeve against wrong do-ers...oh and yeah, he doesnt trust anyone. In the cartoon, they worked great together, because it was the good guy, bad guy...Odd Couple feel to it. Batman alone works, Superman alone doesnt...he needs substance, a cast of characters to help him be, well...super. If you put superman, in a world of other "super" types...he would be completely boring.
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