scabs
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Post by scabs on Sept 12, 2004 0:10:41 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300] I liked it.
Only thing I didn't like was the artwork. I was not aware the "Jackie Chan Cartoon People" were doing this show.
Eh, it'll be ok I think, just has to grow on me...I've always been a story driven person...as long as the story is tight...I can forgive the crummy choice for artwork.[/color][/shadow][/quote] Um,.......then why do you have artwork that Jeff Matsuda (art director for "The Batman") and Dave McCaig (BG paint for "The Batman") did as your avatar? Also, I wish people would stop with the "Jackie Chan people" thing. Everbody on the show has worked for other shows besides JC.
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Post by Peev34 on Sept 12, 2004 0:24:37 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]Let me preface this by saying that I am thrilled that so many of you have offered your opinion. In some cases, multiple times, which is fantastic to see. In addition, I respect everyone's right to their opinion, no matter how much I may agree or not. With that said, I offer one more opinion of my own.....
The one thing I would tell folks who do not care for the supposed "Jackie Chan" feel of the show is this....IT IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE "JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES!"
Sure there are similarties in artistic style (duh), but be serious....it is not the same type of show nor does it have any similarites to it other than the art, which is still very different IMO, as character designs are only one facet of the package. The content, backgrounds, and storylines are not even close to JCA and anyone who thinks so is either not paying attention or are looking at the show with the close-minded "don't like it cuz it's not BTAS" attitude. To call it "crummy", simply because you do not like the other show this creative team has worked on is just plain silly. There...I'm done.[/shadow]
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Post by DARK KNIGHT on Sept 12, 2004 0:32:23 GMT -5
Well I loved it ! A few points I noticed and Maybe someone more "in the know "can confirm this, they seem to have edited out the scene with Joker holding up the "jokerized "fish . If I remember correctly Bruce is operating out of a loft in the city at this point and not Wayne Manor (this was actually ion the comics briefly anyone else remember his penthouse at wayne enterprises ?) The "Batwave didn't bother basically a mini uplink to the computers in the cave and he has been remotely summoning the vehicles for awhile now so that was cool to see also as for not recognizing Joker .... well as forar as the books it was the Red ood he tossed into the acid he didn't find out it was the Joker till later (check the last issue of Batman year one or the killing Joke if you don't believe me ) I liked the idea of a new Joker sneaking into Arkham ! they really are playing with continuity though 3rd year and no Gordon Still loved it and it was cool to see a Joker fighting like that it's a new take on the character while still keeping him utterly insane and DANGEROUS !!
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MOTUfan
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Post by MOTUfan on Sept 12, 2004 0:44:19 GMT -5
Another thing that will be great with this series that is not for jackie Chan Adventures sadly is that this series will get the episodes as aired on TV The Jackie Chan Adventures DVDs that were released a few years ago we chopped up, with scenes missing and thrown into one long "Movie". And I also bought the Jackie Chan Adventures Season one DVD set from the UK to see if it was any better NOPE It was chopped up just the same and put together as one long movie all thirteen episodes, with NO begining scene that takes place before the opening credits So The Batman can be a LOT worse, I think we got a great show here. Brent
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Post by HUSH on Sept 12, 2004 0:44:35 GMT -5
[shadow=blue,left,300]The one thing I would tell folks who do not care for the supposed "Jackie Chan" feel of the show is this....IT IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE "JACKIE CHAN ADVENTURES!" Sure there are similarties in artistic style (duh), but be serious....it is not the same type of show nor does it have any similarites to it other than the art, which is still very different IMO, as character designs are only one facet of the package. The content, backgrounds, and storylines are not even close to JCA[/shadow] Yes! I agree! I said earlier that I liked how the animation had similarities to JCA, but that they were not too prominent. I think even if you don't like the JCA animation, you can still like The Batman. They aren't that similar. Still, I respect that some just don't like it. I do, but that's not why I like The Batman.
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Post by BaTfReAk25 on Sept 12, 2004 0:45:35 GMT -5
it was 20 out 0f 10......crazy and jaw dropping .but just didn't like the jokers voice.....to deep
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Post by HUSH on Sept 12, 2004 0:48:38 GMT -5
The Jackie Chan Adventures DVDs that were released a few years ago we chopped up, with scenes missing and thrown into one long "Movie". That really, really sucks. It's terrible!
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Post by BlackBat on Sept 12, 2004 1:26:07 GMT -5
Overall I liked it. I loved how Batman looked, his voice was ok for a younger Batman, and he moved perfectly IMHO.
The Joker on the other hand was just "ok". I didn't have a problem with his voice, drawing him different was acceptable, and I'm glad they kept him scary, but....he's not the Beast for crying out loud. (see classic X-men comics if you don't know who the Beast is) He shouldn't be able to cling to, or swing around a rope with his toes, or stick to walls, or have amazing agility and super martial arts fighting skills. It's just not what the character's about and I'm not feeling it for him...at all.
I miss Gordon, and I'm glad to hear the Batwave isn't going to be as prominent in every episode.
Like I said, overall I thought it was pretty darn good, and I hope it gets even better, but I am worried that noting the direction I've seen so far the stories may be a bit rushed, and the tone a bit too "hipped up" for my tastes.
~Tim
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Post by /\/\att on Sept 12, 2004 1:55:56 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Guys..let me first say WOW..did you ever come out in full force for this talkback! I'm so happy most of you enjoyed the show! Its great to hear from an industry pro like Batman Strikes artist Chris Jones so much on this thread...Chris a huge bat-fan, so his insight is fantastic. as for those that miss Gordon...just be a little patient...this time next year, you may be a little.......happier. as for the art style...Matsuda is a god among men. 'nuff said.[/shadow]
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Post by hitman04 on Sept 12, 2004 2:00:52 GMT -5
i really liked it. the art was great, joker was so loony toony(btw, i like the straightjacket) and the fact the joker used the card blades, awesome.
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Amie
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Post by Amie on Sept 12, 2004 2:15:56 GMT -5
I just got home and watched the pilot which may have been a mistake because now I am too hyped for sleep. I loved the gadgets, especially the BatCar, the buildings, and the way the moon was not just a monochromatic circle. I hated the Joker (way too psycho for me) and the fact that an obvious effort was made to cast a ethnically diverse range of characters (so stereotypically fake). I mean, this is not a Jello commercial.
Thank goodness it is "The Batman" and NOT "The Bruce Wayne" because he looks way better in costume. Something about his head seems off; I think it's his nose. However, the animation was bold and strong and I know it will only get better.
My favorite line: Only a Ming. Only one who works for or is a billionaire would be so blase about that!
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Post by ICECREAMAN on Sept 12, 2004 8:39:29 GMT -5
I'll continue to watch it though it had a bit of Yo-Gi-oh feel which I didn't like too much, but I think it will grow on me. I liked the Batmobile and the Batboat but I thought the Joker was a bit too ghoulish. He looked less human. If Batman was fighting Solomon Grundy then the look would work. Batman also felt a little too young. As if he were more of a man in his early twenties instead of somewhere in his thirties. I also thought Alfred seemed a bit too much of a father figure and less of a butler the way he is in the comics. It was just not what I was used to seeing, but then it is a new generation of people watching. I'll continu to watch and see how it progresses. 3.5 out of 5.
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Post by Thunder on Sept 12, 2004 9:03:33 GMT -5
The animation was superb. I think Jeff Matsuda and crew have really hit their stride with this series. It is fresh and exciting mixed with a touch of the familiar. It's a perfect addition to the legend of Batman. My only criticism was that the final battle with Joker did seem a bit rushed. Other than that. i have no other problems. Okay here we go: - Alfred- I believe that this was a spot-on representation of bruce's surrogate father. His dry wit coupled with his concern for his young master only drive home that Alfred is the soul of the Batman universe.
- The G.C.P.D.- I like the characters: Bennet, Yi, and Rojas. They really work well as background characters. I like the fact that Bennett seems to see where the Batman is coming from, that's a great element. Rojas' dismissing of Batman as an "urban legend" was a great scene.
- Gotham City-The visuals for Gotham are no less than perfect. The architecture, the feel, and mood of the backgrounds only accentuate the characters and beautiful animatiion.
- The Batcave-The current cave will take a little getting used to, but I likethe design of the equipment and the new "batpole" was a great addition.
- The "BatWave"-I think it was handled pretty well. I don't think that it will take away from the show at all. It's a tool of the trade, just like the Batsignal. I think it really works for the show.
- The Batmobile & Batboat-I wasn't sure if I'd like the new Batmobile, but seeing it in action has made me a fan. The interior shots were handled brilliantly. The fact that this car is smaller than the others doesn't seem to even be an issue. When you see the car, you know what it is, it's an icon in the Batman mythos and a cool design as well. Even though it had limited screentime, The batboat design was extremely cool. I like the lines and look of the boat. Can't wait to see a batcopter or batwing next.
- Joker-A re-imaginig of the most classic comic book villains of all time. I LOVED this portrayal of the character. The voice was perfectly menacing and demented at the same time. I do think he could use a haircut, but the Joker is just beginning his descent into even deeper madness. The characterization was really well done and this made a perfect foil for...
- The Batman-All i can say is, "Wow!" The fluidity of movement, the hiding in the shadows, it was Batman, plain and simple. The voice acting was great, the visual was stunning. Batman appeared more like a force of nature than a human being. He moved like a ghost and fought like a man possessed. This will be this generation's iconic view of the character.
I firmly believe that this show could equal if not, at some point a few seasons down the road, surpass the Timm animated series as a legend in animation history. Some may call it "sacrilege" to the Bruce Timm legacy, but this show will be a major force as to how batman is regarded.
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Schemes
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Post by Schemes on Sept 12, 2004 10:30:51 GMT -5
I had just left the house when it aired. Well, sort of, I watched it until after the intro, and then had to run some erands with Mom, but luckily, I taped it, came back, and even SHE WATCHED IT AND LOOOOVVVEDD IT! AND SO DID I! It was awesome! The artwork was fabulous, and the fight on the air ballon was very nicely done. That alone was a work of art in itself. My only complaint was that it didn't last longer! Can't wait for next week's episode (the should show like a preview of next week's after the show).
Oh, and I love how the Joker explains Bat in the Belfry at the END of the episode, heh, cliche. But it was great, I love the movements, and characters, and when Alfred drops the vase, "Just a Ming", HAHA! Priceless, ahh, just 5 days until episode two!
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Post by HUSH on Sept 12, 2004 11:11:51 GMT -5
Batman also felt a little too young. As if he were more of a man in his early twenties instead of somewhere in his thirties. I also thought Alfred seemed a bit too much of a father figure and less of a butler the way he is in the comics. I believe Batman is actually supposed to be in his mid-twenties. I thought Alfred was done perfectly. I also thought it was a nice touch to give Joker acrobatic and martial arts skills. Makes it interesting! Besides, who knows where he came from in The Batman. He could have a history with martial arts and acrobatics.
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Josh
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Post by Josh on Sept 12, 2004 11:16:10 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Well, I just finished watching it, and it was great !!! I mean sure, I didn't "love" the Joker, but I didn't hate it either. Bruce/Batman I really liked. Alfred was also really cool. And I have to admit, after seeing it, I loved the Batcaved design. I really liked the Batmobile as well. Now if I only had the Batwave toys.... Only 7 more days until The Penguin ! Edit: And before I forget, Cheers To Jeff Matsuda and crew for an awesome show ![/glow]
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Post by TJM on Sept 12, 2004 11:33:55 GMT -5
Going into this show I wasn't sure what to expect, after seeing all the character designs I was really looking forward to it but then all the negative reviews started popping up on the Toon Zone boards and I started to get a little worried. Well now I have finally seen it and i can judge for myself and I have to say I thought it was really good. The characters looked just as good in action as I thought they would, Jeff Matsuda did a great job with the designs. I had some problems with the show, such as the pacing, I think they need to slow things down a bit, it seemed to jump from scene to scene a little to quickly for my taste. Also the whole BatWave thing seemed a little corny, from the way Alfred introduced it, to the way Bruce just whips this thing out at the basketball game right in front of everybody, I mean it has a huge Batsignal flashing on it, I think somebody would eventually put two and two together. If they insist on using BatWave then I think a handheld device that's a little less conspicuous is in order. Also I really think this show needs Commisioner Gordon, not only because he's a great character but because the early relationship between Gordon and Batman would be really interesting to watch. It's bad enough Gordon is no longer the commisioner in the comics, at least we should be allowed to have him as commisioner on this show.(Are you listening WB) I'm also not crazy about the whole Bruce and Bennett being college buddies thing, first of all Bruce wasn't even in Gotham when he was college age and secondly even if he was I doubt he would have been playing on the basketball team. Fortunately the good outweighed the bad. The Joker's voice was better than I thought it would be, same with The Batman. It's good to see a solo Batman again. I liked the way Alfred was portrayed as more of a surrogate father and not just an employee. I liked how even though the Joker was more physically imposing he was still no match for Batman's fighting skills. I'm also glad that this show really doesn't seem to be aimed squarely at kids, I think it retains enough darkness to appeal to adults as well. All in All I think this show is good and I have faith that it will only get better in time as this new crew really starts to find their way with the characters. I know I'll be tuning in every week.
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BenPixen
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Post by BenPixen on Sept 12, 2004 12:43:16 GMT -5
I though it was great, though I think Bruce looks like his is deformed.
And some times the voice was saying something but the characters mouth was not moving. BUt overall I will watch it.
I CANT wait to see the Catwoman episode!
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Post by lonewolff on Sept 12, 2004 13:43:04 GMT -5
direction=B+ animation=A voice acting=B+ theme music=A+ music=B+ story=C+ characterizations= B+, except Joker=C
very enjoyable overall. can't wait to see how things progress; i'll be there for every episode. SO happy this is on !!!!!
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Post by TheJoker on Sept 12, 2004 17:04:11 GMT -5
The thing that bothered me alot was that every civiallan on the show, like the news reporter, looked exactly like a person from Jackie Chan Adv. They didnt even try to change the way they loked. And also about Bruce's oh so corny line when he was at the basketball game "buying them lunch!" ?? But the batpoles were so awesome and also the Batmobile. The way it speed right out and almost hit Bruce when he used the remote device (maybe the batwave) was hillarious. Imagine Batman almost getting run over.
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Post by darkblade on Sept 13, 2004 1:01:25 GMT -5
that was some awesome animation! i love the joker's straightjacket.. i liked his long sleeves. i only wish batman didn't step on it and ripped it off for him. :[ only bruce wayne's nose bothered me.. or should i say matsuda's style on the nose. the story was kinda bleh.. i can't wait until the next episode!
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Post by Knightwing on Sept 13, 2004 4:47:22 GMT -5
thanks to the wonders of the internet i was able to watch this show even tho there is no news yet on when it will air in Australia. I loved it. Its gonna be huge amongst kids its perfect for them. Its exactly what is popular amongst kids nowadays. I don't know why people are picking on the humor. Its a frickin kids show for gods sake. And joker's voice was FINE. I just don't understand why people whinge about so many in significant things. This fresh approach is great. I like this new spin on things. Its not as 'realistic' as BTAS but its really cool to see batman another way. I also am so surprised that some people still don't understand why Gordon isn't on the show and that someone as prominent as Robotron who's avatar has the batman art all over it didn't know that Jeff Matsuda of the jackie chan adv. was doing the art and he's saying he doesn't like it! That confused the shtuff out of me. anyway I think its modern batman at its finest. great way to lead into next years film.
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Post by batman44 on Sept 13, 2004 12:41:34 GMT -5
I thought the show was pretty cool, I love most of the designs, but the Joker is still growing on me. As some one said, the pacing needs to slow down a bit. Overall I give the show a B. I would give it a B+, but Gordon wasn't there.
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Post by Batman Prevails on Sept 14, 2004 2:19:13 GMT -5
seems geared more toward the Pokemon, Yu-gi-oh, Power Rangers set than BTAS, JL, comic fans. It's kind of an insult to modern children to say they can't follow an actual story, but only fast cuts of action scenes directly tied to merchandise. Hey! Don't insult Power Rangers by comparing it to this show. At least Power Rangers managed maintain the same continuity for more than 12 years. "The Batman" was really medicore. I wasn't as bad as Batman Beyond or TNBA but it wasn't as great as BTAS. I hated the Joker, and I've always known I would from the second I saw his picture. It was entertaining had some highlights, but you can clearly tell that Mattel has its fingers involved. Well they aim this show towards children and I bet if I was still 8 that should would have been a blast. IMO it just doesn't feel like a Batman should. Every second of BTAS (note that does not include TNBA) gave me the chills. I'm kinda glad I don't dig this show, I have too many toys already ^^
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Post by /\/\att on Sept 14, 2004 2:24:16 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Ok firstly, Power Rangers may be long running, but its terrible garbage.
Secondly, BTAS is still honestly going on in JLU, so the continuity there is still alive after 12 years!
and I realize it has to be done a little bit, but I'm sick of hearing that "this toon isn't BTAS".....well, you deserve a cookie for figuring that one out! Its not TRYING to be BTAS..no one is disputing BTAS's place in bat-lore...but you don't say "oh that Jim Lee is just trying to be Neal Adams and he's not as good" when you read a comic book, now do you?! Guess what...all things Batman change...they MUST to stay alive....so get off this its not as good as BTAS garbage. You've seen ONE EPISODE. Sheesh.
....and geared towards the Pokemon, Yi-Gi-Oh crowds....OH YOU MEAN KIDS! Of COURSE it is! TNBA only had Robin and Batgirl in it to cater to kids! KIDS are the future of our beloved franchise, and I personally am happy someone is targeting new fans!
Anyhew, with that said, I can't wait to see the next ep on Saturday!
Check out toy forum for news on the mattel 'the batman' line![/shadow]
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Post by Batman Prevails on Sept 14, 2004 8:40:24 GMT -5
I was only referring to episode 1. I know it's not TAS but TAS set a standard fans compare new Batman material to.
I was kinda disappointed that we didn't get to see the Joker's origin, even BTAS deprived us from that 'pleasure'.
Some things in the show hurt really badly such as Alfred's Batwave infomercial line. I know I'm not the only one complaining about this. I liked Batman's gadjets and vehicles. Oh and Mattel if you're reading this:
PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU EVER DESIGN ANOTHER BATMOBILE! It *does* have a closed canopy.
BTW Power Rangers is not garbage (ok Wild Force and Lightspeed Rescue is), that's why it has been running for so long.
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Post by Peev34 on Sept 14, 2004 13:16:38 GMT -5
I was only referring to episode 1. I know it's not TAS but TAS set a standard fans compare new Batman material to. I was kinda disappointed that we didn't get to see the Joker's origin, even BTAS deprived us from that 'pleasure'. Some things in the show hurt really badly such as Alfred's Batwave infomercial line. I know I'm not the only one complaining about this. I liked Batman's gadjets and vehicles. Oh and Mattel if you're reading this: PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU EVER DESIGN ANOTHER BATMOBILE! It *does* have a closed canopy. BTW Power Rangers is not garbage (ok Wild Force and Lightspeed Rescue is), that's why it has been running for so long. [shadow=blue,left,300]This is the closed-minded thought process I am speaking of. You are welcome to have your differing opinion, but the entire BTAS argument is completely irrelevant. Different day, different show, different creative team. No comparison to BTAS makes a good argument....period. Apples to oranges and all that.... Power Rangers = Garbage. And please.....get over the open canopy of the Batmobile that Mattel released. You made your case on that months ago.....time to move on. [/shadow]
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Post by HUSH on Sept 14, 2004 16:00:46 GMT -5
Some things in the show hurt really badly such as Alfred's Batwave infomercial line. I know I'm not the only one complaining about this. Okay, sure that line was corny as @#&!, but is it really such an incredibly big deal, or something to hate the show over? I won't let a cheezy line ruin for me what is IMO a reasonably good episode and a good way to start a series. Also, I agree it feels more kid-geared than BTAS, which I do hold in high regard, but since when does that mean we can't still like it? And, IMO,(for the third time), [glow=red,2,300]POWER RANGERS IS GARBAGE![/glow]
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Post by hitman04 on Sept 14, 2004 20:36:24 GMT -5
And you're entitled to your opinion, but I love the bat-poles. As long as Alfred never uses them... Chris yeah, that's exactly what i think. i wish i had my own bat-poles ;D they would be so fun to slide down.
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superxero
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Post by superxero on Sept 14, 2004 23:01:29 GMT -5
I think the whole "buying them lunch" thing was just Bruce trying to act "normal" for a super-rich playboy type person. Lame jokes and all.
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