I fell asleep during Pokemon *gag* and missed the first minute or so of the episode! Gah!
As one who remembers Mr Freeze in the comics pre-TAS (back when his real name was still listed as Unknown), I really didn't mind the absense of Nora. On the other hand, the origin created for TAS gave the character heart and tragedy, elevating him from gimmick-thug. And now he's back to being a gimmick-thug. Ah well, things could be so much worse. At least they aren't calling the Joker Jack Napier!
Overall, I enjoyed this episode. So much so that I'm going to break my own rule and buy the anti-freeze Batman figure!
[glow=blue,2,300]I had my reservations about this episode, but I have to say it was actually very good. I liked seeing the new Freeze in action, and the look is just so cool. The Anit-Freeze Bats looks so much better in the show, but it still made me want to pick up the figure version. The flashback scene was my favorite part. I really love how we are getting parts of the origin here and there throughout the series.[/glow]
Thought it was ok. not really any better or worse than whats come thus far. liked the cold-costume and the near capture of Bats. The new take on Mr F's origin wasnt bad at all but the lack of any further motivation or deeper inspiration of his character (no Nora or otherwise) made him less than spectacular. The Gilligan nod nearly ruined it for me it was so bad. and the "nightmare" scene didnt really work for me, seemed a little forced. good things were the high batman and batmobile presence. thus far with this show, (personally) it lags / loses "the sense" and me whenever Batman isnt on screen. not the best not the worst. I think this series has a long way to go and needs some tweaking before really working for me. altogether though, still fun and enjoyable.
[shadow=green,left,300]Ya know it was a very good episode...Clancy Brown was brilliant as Freeze. No shock there, though.
I think we aren't having as much talkback on this one is that there really isn't much to talk about! The story went pretty quickly with little character developement on Freeze. We get to see him briefly as a thief and from there its simply someone taking advantage of the "gift" he's given.
A great ep, but definately not Traction or Man who would be Bat quality!
I like everything about the batman so far: Batman, Alfred, Joker, Penguin, Catwoman, Manbat, it all works fine for me.
This Mr. Freeze, I just don't dig.
Every villain has a cool motive for their crime sprees, but this new Mr. Freeze is just a thug JUST A CROOK
sorry, but i feel it is unimaginative and kind of a cop out. It's boring, I don't care for him any more than a two bit Gotham mugger.
Someone in an earlier post said it best. People really didn't come around to Mr. Freeze until BTAS. And why...because the Mr. Freeze written in that series is deep and disturbed. You care about the character. This guy is just diamond hungry.
We are ALL sick of BTAS and "the Batman' comparisons, heck I sure am, but this one villain warrants that comparison. All the other villains were re-imagined. It's like they got to Mr. Freeze and were like "heck we're out of ideas..., ahh to hell with it, let's just make him a freakin bank robber and go get a beer"
Post by Drizzt2218 on Nov 10, 2004 17:32:39 GMT -5
I think people may be judging this one a little too harshly. I think one of the things we have to take into account, and this goes for the series as a whole, is the political climate and the stricter censors that Saturday Morning cartoons now face. Simply put, we won't see anymore guns (that look like actual guns), we won't see a dead wife (or even one in permanent "deep slumber"), and in all, we won't, at this time or for a long time, see a Saturday Morning show with the darkness and maturity that "Batman: The Animated Series" had.
These days it really is a tightrope to walk, as more than ever before we (and the censors) have to be aware of what goes on the television when the kids are watching. And the things we wouldn't think would be a problem may just have a way of surprising us when we're told "No, we can't do it."
With that said, I do have to take issue with the lack of depth given to Freeze. I understand why one would shy away from his tragic background given him by Mr. Dini, but I also think that one could search and find a good alternative motive, Nora or not. This Freeze has all the makings of a good villain: Clancy Brown's chilling vocals, a great design, great usage of his powers...but his motives fall flat. There needs to be more to him, especially if we are to see him in future episodes.
In all, I think I have to repeat what I've been saying all along. We all want this series to work. It has all the trappings of a great animated series. But something still hasn't clicked yet, hasn't elevated it to the full potential of what Batman should be. Teen Titans took awhile to hit its stride, JLU hasn't yet hit its stride (and may never fully, not like the original Justice League did in its second season), but I still have faith that somewhere down the line we'll have that one moment that brings "The Batman" together and makes us all go "Wow."
I look at like this. "Batman: The Animated Series" had some early episodes that made our jaws drop. It also had some early episodes that were downright horrible. "The Batman" hasn't inspired either response. It's solidly, consistently "good," and seems to have a set pattern in these early episodes...you tune into "The Batman" and you know what you're going to get right now, and thankfully its a program of quality. But what we're all waiting for is the surprise episode that knocks our socks off. I think, sooner or later, we're going to get it. There'll be that one episode that gets every single note right, takes it easy on the puns, etc. The closest we've come to a downright perfect episode may be "The Man Who Would Be Bat," and I think given time this series will only get better. This episode, like the series as a whole so far, gets a solid "B" from me.
I gotta admit, this was not my favorite episode. Yes, Nora Fries is gone from the legend, and Mr. Freeze is just a common criminal. He's no longer the lonely, dramatic scientist that we have known for so many years and for 2 movies (Batman & Robin, Subzero).
Sadly enough, he's now ICEMAN from the X-Men with superpowers instead of an ice gun. Which I don't mind, I think he looks cool, he seems more in control of his powers. The old Mr. Freeze, if he loses his gun, he's screwed. The thing about this incarnation is that he doesn't really have a big weakness, aka heat. He could just freeze back his body in an icecube if there is any heat, so I guess he won't be panting much in this series.
Post by ProfessorHStrange on Nov 11, 2004 21:41:04 GMT -5
Mr. Freeze is one of my favorate Batman villians especially since BTAS. Now Clancy Brown and Jeff Matsuda has made me a bigger fan. I like now he has ice powers instead of a gun! I just wish my tv did not mess up some the airing!! UGH! I hope we see more of the past life of Mr. Freeze and Nora.
I just wish my tv did not mess up some the airing!! UGH! ProfessorH!
My TV taped, like, half the episode w/o sound! Now I can't see it again unless it's soundless. Plus, every now and then on the tape, the screen goes blue for a second or two. Very annoying! And I really don't know what this has to do with anything. ;D
This episode finally aired in Canada this past Sunday. Although (like many others), I'm not too fond of Mr. Fezze's "new" origin (Batman: TAS' "Heart of Ice" is one of my all-time favorite cartoon episodes), I really liked the winter armor Batman wore in the episode. So much so that I actually bought my first bat-variant, "Anti-Freeze Batman". I'm painting him all white and grey to match the cartoon version.
Want List: DCUC Orion Penguin The Batman Green Lantern Hawkman
Post by ICECREAMAN on Dec 11, 2004 12:01:24 GMT -5
This was the first time seeing it. I missed it the first time. I liked it. I think it is my favorite so far. At first I wasn't sure if I liked how they wrote out the back story of Victor's wife and made him a thief. But I found myself liking it. It was almost like the first Batman movie with Keaton and Nicholson. Batman couldn't help but drop Jack into the chemicals, etc.
Darkness is my home. Fear is my weapon. I am Batman.
Still good despite the new orgin...still hard to swallow.
[shadow=green,left,300]Its not really a new origin though, is it. Its more like the original origins of Freeze...this whole series harks back to pre-crisis era Batman lore. BTAS dramatized everything, which was great, but no one can top that, so why bother. I think its fun to see a simplified universe where there are thick lines of good and evil again.[/shadow]
majorhoy: Where is everybody?
Apr 30, 2014 15:20:16 GMT -5
aikidodoc: Adopting a 13 year old boy from Bulgaria who is a huge batman fan (which is how I came on this site by a google search. Any help in finding a bulgarian batman comic source would be greatly appreciated. The DC Comic website said they couldn't help me.
May 6, 2014 9:29:31 GMT -5
manstink: hey has their ever been a like origin story on martha wayne. I think it would be cool if she were like in some kind of cult, and she was like ritualistically murdered for trying to leave the cult. Anyways thats my opinion.
May 31, 2014 15:02:51 GMT -5
batmanfan1: Did you guys see what Gotham TV did with Poison Ivy? like their poster has her name as Ivy Pepper not Pamela Lillian Isley.
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