[shadow=purple,left,300]I am a bit mixed on this episode, too. I think its great to see Firefly as a crook for hire, but I wanted an origin story. I want to know if he is indeed Garfield Lynns or somebody else. I want to know about his past. It just seems like the writers needed to throw a villian in the episode, and they chose Firefly. I give this episode a 5 out of 10.[/shadow]
I actually liked this episode a lot for the same reason some others didn't like it...there was no huge "re-creation" of the Firefly except for his costume, which IMO looked pretty darned good. I was very glad that we didn't get a back-story; from what I've seen of this series so far, sometimes more is less. Firefly did pretty much what he has always done, and acted very similar to what the character is supposed to act like. He's an arsonist for hire...that pretty much has always summed the character up, so a big to the creative team for nailing this minor villain. I would have liked to have seen some flame, instead of just "heat rays", but I can understand why they might not want to do that, as it may encourage some children to do a little role playing with fire, so that's not really a big issue.
Overall this episode rates almost as high as the Catwoman episode in my book, which is the one I've liked the best out of the entire series so far. I don't think we need all of the villains back stories right up front...it takes a lot away from the mystery of the character sometimes, and to be honest I've not really liked a lot of the back stories they've "re-imagined". Good job on putting this one out there and letting it stand "as is". BTW, it was great to hear Adam West in it as well.
Slightly off topic, here's a question I've always wondered about. Throughout the comics, BTAS, BGK, and now in the new series, the Batman has used a jet pack or personal flying device of some sort...it doesn't make much sense as to why he doesn't use it all the time. I know that would really detract from the character if he did, but I don't get the reasoning as to why they have him use it some of the time and not others. I mean, logically speaking Bruce has access to some of the best technology in the world, and it would make his night job a lot easier if he put that tech to good use, right? So is this limitation on how much he uses the personal flyer just a way for them to maintain the character integrity or what? Any thoughts?
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"We all walk in the dark and each of us must learn to turn on his or her own light." ~Earl Nightingale
[shadow=blue,left,300]Until today, I have never really cared for Firefly in the least. This particular version of him, however, was very acceptable. Can't put my finger on it, but I liked the way he was depicted. I look forward to when they go further into his background, but I have no issue with the lack of an origin story as I feel they are mostly unnecessary for the two groups that watch the show...kids and Bat-fans!
Always good to hear Adam West involved in any bat-project!
Overall, not the best ep, but certainly far from the worst!
Still in love with the art and the writing continues to make notible strides![/shadow]
I thought the episode was one of the worst, no offense, but I thought the dialogue was so bad, after other episodes seem to keep taking steps forward, this one took a step back, I did like the fight scenes, and Firefly as a character (well not his dialouge). Over all: 5/10 , well there is always next week, cant wait.
I rather liked it. . . it was great hearing Adam West, and I liked this take on Firefly. There was no drastic re-working of the character (I really have to admit I do not like Mr. Freeze's new origin concept at all, so this is refreshing to me.)
But Firefly was very well done, and cooler then he was on B:TAS/TNBA, I think. I was convinced for the episode that Will Friedle was doing the voice, but when I realized it was Jason Marsden, I wasn't all that far off! ;D
"Gosh, Batman...the nobility of the almost human porpoise!"
"You know what happens to gate-crashers, don't you? They have to match with with...the Riddler!"
I'd give this about a 9 out of 10. I LOVED it for many reasons, one I liked how FireFly was incorportated into being a "undercover agent" so to speak for GothCorp in sabotaging other industries, and I also liked the civillian/Bruce affairs, it adds more to each ep. Firefly's costume was neat, and Mayor Grange was a nice touch, too bad that Yin and the other cop (can't recall his name)didn't make an appearance. This is how I liek my eps though, not ALL action packed every 3 seconds. Oh, and Chief Rojas hasn't really been too much of a character, will we see him soon? Just curious...
I guess its a sign of my getting old...I need story. This episode, while interesting and action packed...lacked story. Fancy graphics and fight scenes don't get it for me, I need to know the whys and wheres concerning FireFly. The old Batman show..."Torch Song" I think it was kept you engrossed with its story of the love affair between the singer and the special effects guy going sour...thus "FireFly" was born.
Once again...and I've said this a thousand times...I (30+ years old) am not the target audience...so perhaps thats why these orgins of character on this new show are severely lacking (with the exception of Cobblepot).
Post by The Dinoboy Wonder! on Nov 13, 2004 15:15:17 GMT -5
it wa sok..but ive got to agree with robotron...
hell, i AGREE with him! TT are beter than this...
a thing about todays episode looked really familiar about the past episodes.
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[glow=red,2,300]I loved this ep. I have no real issues with the no-backstory. It is pretty simple, he's a corporate sabeteur. It was nice to hear West's voice (he's hillarious in Family Guy). It was great to see some new gadgets and toys. The part with the cab driver sayin' he should move to Metropolis was great. But what i loved about the ep. didn't involve cape and cowl but a designer tie. IMO it was great to see the trials of Bruce Wayne and to know there is more to him. Overall i liked it 7.6/10[/glow]
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I quite liked today's episode. I love FireFly's design, in my opinion the best ever for this character, I also like the fact that he buzzes like a fly when he's moving in the air. I don't mind the fact that there was no back story for FireFly, they can get around to that when he appears again, I mean he's an arsonist for hire what more did you really need to know this time around. I like that they dealt with the way Bruce's public persona effect's the way he's viewed as a businessman and how his nightly activities as Batman also effect his business from time to time. I must say, I thought we were going to see Lucius Fox in this episode when Bruce said he might need someone to run Wayne Enterprises, oh well, maybe some other time. It was good to hear Adam West pop up finally, although I would like to know whether the Mayor is for or against Batman operating in Gotham especially since Bruce holds him in such high regard. Overall a solid episode, in my opinion.
Post by Drizzt2218 on Nov 13, 2004 20:11:38 GMT -5
It's funny, I was expecting a far more positive reaction to this episode than what I've seen written so far. It never ceases to amaze me how people can take such different reactions to the same story, and it always seems to make great discussion.
After last week's overall disappointment and the general pacing of the majority of the episodes, I'd almost given up hope of this series being more than popcorn entertainment, all flash with little depth. I'm glad I didn't completely lose faith, because episodes like this come along and prove just how wrong that perception is.
This episode had a PLOT, and not just that, but the sort of plot we should see in a Batman story...Batman investigating corporate sabotage by a corrupt Gotham company, while also struggling with the perception people have of his Bruce Wayne image...how he must perpetuate the image of idle playboy to keep people off his trail as The Batman, but how this sacrifice can occasionally come at great cost. Adam West voicing Grange as a disappointed family friend was fantastic, and who could forget the line "He's no Thomas Wayne," as a dejected Bruce leaves the council meeting?
This wasn't a "Firefly" episode, this was a Bruce Wayne episode. This series is far more concerned with focusing on Bruce's character, and it makes for great storytelling. In a day and age when Batman is usually depicted as cold and emotionless, I am loving this portrayal. In some cases though, I think we *must* see more pathos from the villains...but in this case, I have to disagree. We got to know Firefly as much we should have in this episode, and this version is far more interesting to me than previous incarnations because of his motivations (as freelance mercenary, basically) and his relatively fearless attitude. I think he was handled exceptionally well for this story.
I'm going to give this one a 10/10, and hope we see more episodes with this sort of depth and maturity (and overall lack of bad puns).
[shadow=green,left,300]Larry really took the words right out of my mouth with his reasoning. We feel the same.
If you didn't enjoy this ep, I think its because you were looking for Firefly character development. What Chris Yost (the writer) managed to do was create a larger picture for us. He really added depth to it this time by not just having a singular story focusing on batman vs. a villian. The villian was there, but in the backdrop...and honestly I really enjoyed that!
Outstanding Job Chris! I know Mr. Yost frequents our forum, so if he'd like to put in his two cents about the ep and his motivation in writing it I know we'd love to hear from you![/shadow]
I liked it. Considering that I missed last week's episode I had to see this week's. Firefly looked pretty cool and the buzzing and funky angle flying he did was good. I also liked how they opened the door for Lucius Fox. And I also want to say that I am disappointed that they didn't go into Firefly's past but I think if they did that with every villian they introduced each episode would have to be two parts. Which wouldn't be that bad.
Darkness is my home. Fear is my weapon. I am Batman.
Post by reideen1313 on Nov 14, 2004 10:23:53 GMT -5
Slightly off topic, here's a question I've always wondered about. Throughout the comics, BTAS, BGK, and now in the new series, the Batman has used a jet pack or personal flying device of some sort...it doesn't make much sense as to why he doesn't use it all the time. I know that would really detract from the character if he did, but I don't get the reasoning as to why they have him use it some of the time and not others. I mean, logically speaking Bruce has access to some of the best technology in the world, and it would make his night job a lot easier if he put that tech to good use, right? So is this limitation on how much he uses the personal flyer just a way for them to maintain the character integrity or what? Any thoughts? ~Tim
I don't think that it is done to maintain the history of the character. I think that is done to show that he does not want to rely on anything but himself in the end. Batman has always been seen swinging thru Gotham. If he used a jet pack, he'd be Adam Strange - not Batman. ;D Batman uses the tech that he does, only when he needs to. If he can do something with his bare hands or his wits, that's the method he prefers, IMO because that's all he has in the end to rely on. He doesn't have the ability to shoot laser beams from his eyes, he can't turn invisible or morph into another person, he's not super fast. He's a human that has trained and conditioned his body to the peak of athletic prowess. He is highly intelligent. Those are the tools he prefers to use. Otherwise, he becomes soft, which could possibly in his mind, lead to him becoming Sofa Man if he starts using tech all the time.
Wouldn't it be easier for him to just put together a legion of Batbots (IE Kingdom Come) and patrol the streets that way? It would save the wear and tear on his body - he'd get more sleep and be able to have a life as Bruce Wayne. That's not how Batman works though. He's obsessed and must continue to rely on himself and himself alone.
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Thanks for your input on that. I myself never liked the idea of him using the jetpack, as I feel like you do, that the character would be objectionable to using such a device on a normal basis, as it is something he has to rely on that he cannot controll. I see your point tough, I believe what you're saying is that he uses it out of necessity and would prefer not to use it if the situation were not dire. That at least make sense out of a subject that I've thought about for a long time. Thanks for that bro.
"We all walk in the dark and each of us must learn to turn on his or her own light." ~Earl Nightingale
After seeing 'The Big Chill', I think it's wise to make FireFly's Origin a mystery for now. At least we know what the 'Employee of the Month' looks like (if that's the unmasked Firefly). His costume does look cooler than the one in Gotham Knights. The buzzing sould, I think is a very nice effect, if Batman suddenly starts squeeking I wouldn't be happy though. ;D
Anyway, like all the past weeks, this episode is alright. Not exactly the best, not exactly the worst. But it is definitely fun to watch.
I wish the episodes were longer though. In my opinion, although it's a lot of work, I think every show should be an hour long (~45 minutes w/o commercials).
It was my understanding that this Batman series was going to deal with "Beginnings"...not only Bruce Waynes, but the villians as well.
Most of the people who really liked this episode didn't seem to mind the fact that they didn't explain where he (Firefly) came from, I disagree. I think it is just as important to develope the villians stories as much as Bruce Wayne's. To me powerful villians like Firefly popping up randomly without explanation is irritating. I know the shows writers only have a half hour to do it, but somehow the Dini/Timm team managed to do it in the original Firefly episode "Torch Song" quite well...and did it in a way that made it very enjoyable. Randomly tossing characters about without proper character developement is sloppy and shows a lack of writing skills/creativity. I feel we should have at least gotton a taste of who he was like they did with Bane and The Joker. The Penguin whole life story was given to us in a half hour along with a plot and a nice amount of action. All the episodes should be of this calibur.
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