"Batgirl Begins, part Two" TALKBACK!

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Discuss part two of Batgirl Begins here!

its halfway through the episode, and I'm LOVIN' it. Batgirl is hilarious...Ivy is amazing!

[JokerInc]

I liked the part about the "doggie dog"

[/\/\att]

I loved the mean little shrubs near the end that attacked batgirl. LMAO!

Can someone help me out and describe the ending from that point..I had to get to class!

[Eric]

Time for another episode of Niteshades The Batman bashing.

just joking.

i liked Ivy. The basic principles of the character are still intact, but some of the behavior was changed, but it fit the "age" of the character in the show, so it worked. the "living" banzai trees i chuckled at, but could have done without. i really like hearing Mitch Pellegi (sp) as Gordon. Batgirl. um. didnt like her at all. i would have preferred Robin. a kid in a costume delivering one liners. she just struck me as the type of character that would be killed her first night out. and, imo, Batmans reaction to her, especially knowing who she is, was no where near stern enough. it was as if he was half accepting her from the very beginning.

again, there were aspects that i liked and didnt like. i have seen other episodes that i enjoyed alot more. 6/10.

[jasontodd2]

I gotta lean more towards what Nightshade is saying about part 2 of this episode.
I am not a HUGE Batgirl fan, and Robin would be a better fit for the show right now, this might be the one part of the Batman myth that they are changing on the show that I actually don't like. Everything else Jeff Matsuda and crew have done with there own twists and turns with the characters is great, but introducing Batgirl over Robin doesn't seem right.

But onto the episode good points and bad points

I felt they really rushed Batgirl into the fold...perhaps they could have waited a few more episodes before throwing her into the mix. Other than that the episode was really good, The Commish is awesome, the Poison Ivy character will definately grow on me, especially because it's not the Joker or Penguin week in and week out.

I would rate this a 6.5/10

[arkhaminmate]

It was a very good episode. I thought that the small banzie nija tree things where funny. I love the way the entire episode plays out. Even the narration of Batgirl. I love the way Ivy looks. I thought Piera got the voice to a t. But after she became Ivy I thought she needed to refine some of her dialogue. Just the way the lines where said. My only major complaint is I didn't hear the phrase "Get Lost!" Where was that? The new theme is starting to grow on me

[J-Man]

[shadow=purple,left,300]This episode had its high points and its low points for me. I loved Ivy and how she was introduced to the series. It's one of the best origins of the character to date. Pierra Coppola does a great job voicing her, too. The Batman-Gordon relationship is unfolding at a decent rate of speed. I'm just hoping Ellen Yin doesn't disappear from the show now that the commish is in the picture. The episode was essentially well-written and well-animated, sprinkled with some suspenseful moments and some little bits of humor.

However, my gripe with this episode deals with how Batgirl is portrayed. I think it's the teen-angst that doesn't do it for me. She's a decent addition to the show, but something tells me that if she appears in every episode from now on, the series might not be as enjoyable for me as it used to be. BUT, this is not to distract from my opinion that this episode was almost as good as it's predecessor.

I give it an 8/10. [/shadow]

[MasterofFear]

it was a good episode but i was hoping for a different typr of ivy mory like if she touched a plant she could up its growth but not telepathicly. she fit the age and worked well.

i was also wishing for more temblor, even if he fought ivy it would be good.

Batman and batgirl shouldnt be so good just yet, batgirl still has a lot to learn before shes ready to become his partner.

[vishman007]

I thought this episode was ok. I liked the first part much better. I think its the characterization of Batgirl. I thought she was fine as Barbara, but Batgirl just didnt do it for me. And Batman accepted her way too easily. Ivy was fine, except for her power. She seemed too powerful.

I liked the part where Gordon sees Batgirl without his glasses, just like in Year One when he sees Bruce Wayne.

[jasontodd2]

admin said:

I loved the mean little shrubs near the end that attacked batgirl. LMAO!

Can someone help me out and describe the ending from that point..I had to get to class!

Batgirl and Batman basically teamed up and took down Poison Ivy. Batgirl ends up saving her Dad from being eaten (dissolved) by the plant as she throws a batarang with perfect aim upside down, busting the plant open and causing that acid that was rising inside the plant getting close to her Dad to spill out.

Gordon sees Batgirl without his glasses on as they have a quick converastion, Batgirl refers to her Dad as a "citizen" and Gordon as Batgirl is walking off says something like "another red, what are the odds of that"

Batman and Batgirl have a conversation ontop of the roof about what to do about her, and Batman isn't going to say anything to Gordon about Batgirl because he feels it is her responsibility, and that it must be a great feeling to be able to save her Dad, hinting at the fact that he wishes he could have done the same for his parents.

[SRA]

/\/\att could you post some screen grabs for the over seas LOG members? I am soo pleased that Ivy has some really big powers for Batman and Batgirl to fight against!!

[/\/\att]

Personally, I was energized by this episode. I can't think of much I didn't like about it. I think that rooftop scene between Babs and Batman really showed what I felt last week...Batgirl is GREAT, because she will push this Batman to a grimmer place by being the smiley, perky one.

For those that are looking for grabs, our guy that does that, peev34, is having PC issues this weekend, so I recommend visiting Batman: YTB later on tonight...they should have lots of grabs up by then!

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[ayenlou]

A good episode Poison ivy was amazing and the rooftop scene at the end was great. I loved how they showed Batgirl prepping up.

[gatubela]

to all those poeple who keep saying "she accepted her way too quickly", he didnt accept her!! all he said was it would be better if barbara told c. gordon who batgirl was instead of him!!

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

i love batgirl!! shes just so funny!!!

"hey comissioner, wanna go bowling?" lol

"maybe i should practice some more!" lol

piera did great as ivy and i liked the character but not as much as batgirl!! 10/10

[Batdan]

I liked the episode a lot. I like what Batgirl has brought to the show but I hope it won't be too long before Gordon figures out it's his daughter. He's not dumb.

Ivy was handled well and she was definitely dangerous.


Great start to the new season.

[BatmAngelus]

gatubela said:

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

I beg to differ that Robin ruins Batman.
At the core of the character is someone who experienced the same tragedy as Bruce did long ago and whose life was changed, arguably, for the better by Batman himself. Fighting crime provides him an outlet that young Bruce Wayne never had.
Who knows what Grayson could've become without Bruce Wayne. Perhaps a thug on the streets. Or a vengeful young man with a gun, like Bruce in Batman Begins's flashback.

Robin doesn't ruin Batman, but he does change him. And for the better, IMO. We get a Batman with more compassion. Not exactly lighter, but definitely more human. A father-like figure, you could say, that wants to make this kid's life better.
The Batman in this show, who is meant to be young and just starting out, isn't prepared to be that type of figure, IMO, so I agree with you that Robin shouldn't be introduced yet.

I think your distaste for him comes from the protrayals you've seen of him and not that you actually hate the character. He hasn't had the best protrayals, especially not by Burt Ward in the sixties, but that could easily be altered a bit to make him more acceptable, yet still not stray away from the core of the character.


Anyways, liked this second part. The ladies were even cuter. Batman was very much in character. I love the part when he tells Batgirl "Not every child gets to save their parents."
The jokes were actually funny and not lame at all. I loved Batgirl's secret identity code line after Batman reveals that he knows who she is. Overall, I enjoyed it a lot.

[Dark Nightwing]

gatubela said:

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

Batman has never been ruined by Robin unless if you are thinking of the Adam West Batman. Robin is an integral part of Batman. To the people who do not know anything comics, Robin is the only sidekick that they can think of. They don't know Speedy, Kid Flash, or Aqualad. Everyone knows Robin. B:TAS had a great rendition of Robin. Robin did not ruin that show. Plus, Robin is an essential part of Dick's life. It is also needed so that we can have Nightwing. Nightwing needs to be in The Batman.
On to my review, I thought this episode was so-so. Ivy was too powerful. I thought that she was cooler before, when she was still Pamela Isley. The hole thing with the plants just coming out of the ground seemed like it did not fit. I like realistic versions of her. Gordon's short interaction with his daughter, while cute, any parent would notice there child just by speech. Batman's conversation with Alfred was one of the better things. The "doggie-door for the bathound" was awesome. I thought the look for Ivy and Batgirl was quite good. I like the new intro. Gordon and Barbara have a great relationship. I liked part one better than part two.

[Dark Nightwing]

Hero BatmAngelus!

[BatmAngelus]

^ Hero you back.

[Batrez]

hmm dont like the new theme, its too cheesy..as for the episode, I enjoyed it but was lacking somthing..I give it a 6.5 /10

[Hush Riddler]

gatubela said:

to all those poeple who keep saying "she accepted her way too quickly", he didnt accept her!! all he said was it would be better if barbara told c. gordon who batgirl was instead of him!!

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

[shadow=green,left,300]i agree, he didn't accept her, she just took his answer for a no.This was good but Ivy has to much power, not even a chemical could give her total control over plant life... also i didn't like how she was born inside of a plant... and i also also also hated the fact that when she pulled her leaf off of her outfit, it just grew back... that was stupid. ivy was never super human... she was just merely born with a super-immune system and she developed toxics that would be super-formulas for plants! she was never like the Wonder-Plant-Woman...

But Batgirl was great, I liked how even though Robin I (dick grayson) was always batman's favorite, it doesn;t necessarily mean that robin had to be batman's first sidekick... this episode receives an 8/10



ALso, would anyone mind sending me a memo as to who the ToyMaker villain is? Please i'd be very greatful[/shadow]

[RobN]

I like it...renews my interest in the show for sure. Batgirl's "He's awesome!" and the ending conversation re: saving ones parents got me in a way that this show has only rarely and reminds of what I love about BTAS.
I agree with others, I liked Pam as Pam better than as Ivy but she's still pretty strong. I loved Gordon immediately but he's gonna seem like a real dope if he can't figure Barb out quickly. Both parts here were strong and definitely fun to watch.

[jasontodd2]

gatubela said:

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

You may be right he might not need to be in this series ever, but the same can be said about Batgirl.

I just recently rewatched Robin's Reckoning Part One and Two from the animated series, and if you haven't seen those two episodes, pick up Batman The Animated Series Volume Two, and check those two episodes out. They really play out what Dick Grayson/Robin brings to the table and how he helps Batman/Bruce Wayne.

But I can see where you are coming from if you don't like a certain character like for me I DON'T like Batgirl at all! And the same can be said about The Tim Drake Robin, but to say Robin ruins Batman is going a bit far....

[All Star Batman]

gatubela said:

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

How long have you been a Batman fan exactly? Robin does NOT ruin Batman. If anything, Batgirl may ruin Batman. There I said it.

Anyway, I liked this episode. Especially when Batman knew it was her right away.

[jmat]

I would love to have Robin on the Batman show. I've always loved the dynamic of a little kid runnin around with Batman, it kept Bats from going over the edge. When you look at Batman and his motivations, his techniques, he's a really dark character,( it's hard to translate it to kids television however). So it was good to keep Robin around so Batman could see the world from his less jaded eyes. I have a one year old, and it's definately refreshing to see the world from his point of view.

[jasontodd2]

jmat said:

I would love to have Robin on the Batman show. I've always loved the dynamic of a little kid runnin around with Batman, it kept Bats from going over the edge. When you look at Batman and his motivations, his techniques, he's a really dark character,( it's hard to translate it to kids television however). So it was good to keep Robin around so Batman could see the world from his less jaded eyes. I have a one year old, and it's definately refreshing to see the world from his point of view.

Great to have you here Mr Matsuda, one question are you hinting at the fact that Robin might indeed show up someday on the show?

Keep up the great and amazing work! ! !

[MasterofFear]

iamthenightwing said:

gatubela said:

and robin does not need to be in this series at all!! ever!! he alwways ruins batman!!

Batman has never been ruined by Robin unless if you are thinking of the Adam West Batman. Robin is an integral part of Batman. To the people who do not know anything comics, Robin is the only sidekick that they can think of. They don't know Speedy, Kid Flash, or Aqualad. Everyone knows Robin. B:TAS had a great rendition of Robin. Robin did not ruin that show. Plus, Robin is an essential part of Dick's life. It is also needed so that we can have Nightwing. Nightwing needs to be in The Batman.
On to my review, I thought this episode was so-so. Ivy was too powerful. I thought that she was cooler before, when she was still Pamela Isley. The hole thing with the plants just coming out of the ground seemed like it did not fit. I like realistic versions of her. Gordon's short interaction with his daughter, while cute, any parent would notice there child just by speech. Batman's conversation with Alfred was one of the better things. The "doggie-door for the bathound" was awesome. I thought the look for Ivy and Batgirl was quite good. I like the new intro. Gordon and Barbara have a great relationship. I liked part one better than part two.

see how quick he changed the point of the discussion from robin to nightwing.

it was like magic ooooooh lol lol

[All Star Batman]

jmat said:

I would love to have Robin on the Batman show. I've always loved the dynamic of a little kid runnin around with Batman, it kept Bats from going over the edge. When you look at Batman and his motivations, his techniques, he's a really dark character,( it's hard to translate it to kids television however). So it was good to keep Robin around so Batman could see the world from his less jaded eyes. I have a one year old, and it's definately refreshing to see the world from his point of view.

PLEASE PUT ROBIN ON THE SHOW! I know Robin's doing enough on TT, but it would really make this diehard Batfan to see Batman and Robin unite to take on Gotham's fiendish foes on THE BATMAN.