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Post by reideen1313 on Oct 27, 2004 17:46:30 GMT -5
Here's a pic - I want to hear your thoughts!  Is it BTAS, The Batman or *shudder* George Clooney? |
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Post by trashsmasher on Oct 27, 2004 20:40:34 GMT -5
I get all warm and fuzzy when they throw these bones to the real observing fans......like when that little Robin in season 2 mentioned Jason Todd on the chalkboard.................As far as which batman it is well, It would mesh better visually and timeline wise if it was the "The Batman" Batman.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Oct 29, 2004 0:12:09 GMT -5
Not necessarily,
Teen Titans came on long before The Batman. To me it makes more sence for it to be the Kevin Conroy Batmans TIm Drake Robin in the show. Tim with his friends out on there own.
And the few hitches to this can be easily explained so I believe its Tim Drake.
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Post by HUSH on Oct 29, 2004 20:24:55 GMT -5
I get all warm and fuzzy when they throw these bones to the real observing fans......like when that little Robin in season 2 mentioned Jason Todd on the chalkboard.................As far as which batman it is well, It would mesh better visually and timeline wise if it was the "The Batman" Batman. I agree. And I think he's Grayson. There have been hints and references in the show. And how else could he grow up to be Nightwing, for one thing? For another, in the recent episode, Haunted, they showed a sort of very fast "Robin's memories" sort of thing, and showed a circus. Also, the real name of that little Robin guy in season two is "Dick Grayson" spelled backwards. |
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Post by flabat on Oct 29, 2004 21:57:33 GMT -5
The Robin in Teen Titians is an amalgam of both Grayson and Drake.
The older guys (like me) will point out that it was Grayson who formed The Teen Titans and was he even Nightwing as part of the The New Teen Titans and New Titans and lastly The Titans.
The new guys will point out that it is Drake because of the Static Shock Batman appearance and note Drake is in the new contemporary Teen Titans comic book.
As for Batman, The Batman is before BTAS on the timeline (although there is no continuity between them) so Robin (and Batman too) in this Teen Titans comes between BTAS and TNBA with Grayson first. Then Drake could become a Teen Titan in between TNBA and Batman Beyond.
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Post by reideen1313 on Oct 29, 2004 23:34:41 GMT -5
I agree. And I think he's Grayson. There have been hints and references in the show. And how else could he grow up to be Nightwing, for one thing? For another, in the recent episode, Haunted, they showed a sort of very fast "Robin's memories" sort of thing, and showed a circus. Also, the real name of that little Robin guy in season two is "Dick Grayson" spelled backwards. Actually Hush, the episode you mentioned - Haunted - is the episode that this screen cap came from. The scene you mentioned with the circus actually appears just before the above image. That's all besides the point.  I didn't ask which Robin it was - I asked which Batman it was - notice he's giving (whichever) Robin the costume for the first time. So, the question remains - which Batman is it? Oh - and a side note - if anybody sez Clooney, I'm asking Matt to ban you for life!  |
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Post by HUSH on Oct 30, 2004 0:26:50 GMT -5
Oh, sorry about that.  Well, I personally think the animated TT happens in the "The Batman" continuity, but long after the events currently occuring in The Batman. I think the animation of TT goes best with The Batman, and I figure, a new take on Robin, a new take on Batman. I also think that they have done enough with the B:TAS continuity, so if the The Batman continuity is going to be the base for subsequent DC cartoons, I, for one might as well say that TT, another new DC cartoon, can be in the same continuity(I've overused that word, haven't I? ;D). But that's just how I've been viewing this, and how I will continue to. And before, I just wanted to clarify why I thought Robin is Grayson, partly in response to DrGreenEvil's reasons why he thought it is Drake, and they're both opinions, I'm not calling anyone wrong, of course.  |
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 2, 2004 17:15:43 GMT -5
its the batman from the animated series and justice league. if you remember the static shock episode "the big leagues" when static asks batman where's robin, he says with the titans. but at this time in the series robin is tim drake. also tim drake is the only robin to use a steel bo. but tim drake doesn't grow up to become nightwing, when he does meet the titans who are in the show they are all adults except for beast boy. also the titans face villains in the show who they faced in the comics during their earlier years, tim drake has never faced off against half of them. basically:
Batman: the animated series, justice league
Robin: young dick grayson, pre-animated series
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Post by Batlaw on Nov 3, 2004 14:59:40 GMT -5
I personally agree mostly W/ Flabat. I perceive and see the TT Robin as primarily Tim Drake W/ Grayson attributes/history sprinkled within. I dont see why the TT (alternate future) "Nightwing" episode is considered such a testiment to it being Grason? anyway, As for Batman... I envision it as being the TNBA era. Just my initial instinct (same as for Robin). As far as Static Shock References go, I've only ever caught one, and Bats stated Robin (Tim) was "out with the Titans". To my knowledge the only reference of them in the animated Batman universe? Then again has "Batman" ever even been acknowleged within TT? only eluded to those "in the know". I personally dont know nor do I really care or believe we will ever get a definitive answer. I think ultimately TT Bats is also an entirely new version / amalgam. which is cool too! sadly I've missed this new TT Robin "flashback" episode..damn
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 3, 2004 18:21:10 GMT -5
if its not dick grayson then why would the imp robin-mite's name be the same only backwards. and notice the romantic relationship that continues to brew between robin and starfire. if you remember dick grayson is the only robin to ever be with starfire. the only way it can be tim drake is if it was in a completely different timeline, or like an ultimate universe type of thing. also having deathstroke as the main villain, goes back to the original teen titans comic, as well as Terra. basically the second season and into the beginning of the third, with terra and her working for slade, is basically an adapted version of the arc "The Judas Contract". at this time in the comics tim drake hadn't even debuted as a regular character, let alone as robin. and if it wasnt the original titans than why wouldnt Aqualad have been called Tempest, and Speedy called Arsenal. if every other character on the show is from that era of the comics, why would Robin be the only exception.
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Post by HUSH on Nov 3, 2004 18:33:30 GMT -5
if its not dick grayson then why would the imp robin-mite's name be the same only backwards. and notice the romantic relationship that continues to brew between robin and starfire. if you remember dick grayson is the only robin to ever be with starfire. the only way it can be tim drake is if it was in a completely different timeline, or like an ultimate universe type of thing. also having deathstroke as the main villain, goes back to the original teen titans comic, as well as Terra. basically the second season and into the beginning of the third, with terra and her working for slade, is basically an adapted version of the arc "The Judas Contract". at this time in the comics tim drake hadn't even debuted as a regular character, let alone as robin. and if it wasnt the original titans than why wouldnt Aqualad have been called Tempest, and Speedy called Arsenal. if every other character on the show is from that era of the comics, why would Robin be the only exception. Great, great points! I don't understand how the TT Robin's growing up to be Nightwing isn't undeniable evidence that he's Grayson. Tim Drake has never, is not currently, and will never be Nightwing, yet the TT Robin grows up to be Nightwing. There's only one Nightwing, DICK GRAYSON. Using a bo staff isn't a big deal, it's a small detail, and Drake is a lot younger than the our other members appearing regularly in the show, however Grayson is about the same age. Sorry if this is off-topic, but I had to get that out in the open.  |
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Post by Batlaw on Nov 4, 2004 12:31:16 GMT -5
My personal interpretation is that neither Robin nor any potential Batman in the curent animated Teen Titans cartoon universe actually co-exists w/ or is directly related to any previous batman continuity, animated or otherwise. I believe it is a stand alone universe / continuity. There is no right or wrong or definitive answer. its all subjective, I just personally envision Tim Drake when I watch titans. all that matters is that its Robin  |
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Post by HUSH on Nov 4, 2004 14:05:19 GMT -5
You are correct, sir! Sorry, I really just wanted to explain my view on it, but must've ended up seeming arguementative.  |
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Post by Robin on Nov 4, 2004 16:11:43 GMT -5
My personal interpretation is that neither Robin nor any potential Batman in the curent animated Teen Titans cartoon universe actually co-exists w/ or is directly related to any previous batman continuity, animated or otherwise. I believe it is a stand alone universe / continuity. There is no right or wrong or definitive answer. its all subjective, I just personally envision Tim Drake when I watch titans. all that matters is that its Robin Nicely put. |
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 4, 2004 17:07:41 GMT -5
that is a good point, i think that it is stand alone based on the original teen titans comic, because if you remember in the old series batman and other heroes rarely appeared and when they did it was usually in part of a company spanning event, like crisis and armageddon.
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Post by Dr. Baghead on Nov 13, 2004 23:29:10 GMT -5
if you remember the static shock episode "the big leagues" when static asks batman where's robin, he says with the titans. Static Shock doesn't count for anything I've come to believe... Static Shock exist in it's own world, one which has Justice Leauge, Teen Titans, and Shaq all together despite the fact there's no logical way they could all fit. (ie: -if the JL and Shaq are in the same universe, does that make the movie "Steel" a bio-picture? Or if that movie doesn't exist, is Shaq seen as a crazy stalker with his extreme Superman fandom? I bet Supe's probably got a few restraining orders on him and a cease and desist on him using the "S" sheild on all his stuff -how can Robin in Titans be Tim Drake from the New Batman Adventures, but remember Dick Grayson's past in Haunted? We already saw Tim's origins, and his parents clearly didn't fall off a circus tent) What Static was saying was "hey! I might have the Titans on my show soon!" not confirming Robin's TT identity sorry to get side track, what Batman I think it is: -if TT is in 'the past' it's TAS, since that had a Dick Grayson who looked like Tim Drake just like Titans (it can't be in the present as Static suggest since Tim Drake's parents didn't die in a circus accident) -if it's the future it could be the Batman, since we don't know who is Robin is either, it could be Dick Grayson with Drake's gadgets and costume or it could be Tim Drake with Grayson's origins/future. (it can't be in the present since the Batman has no the Robin) -if it's the present then it's got it's own unique Batman (which I think would be best... not everything needs to be part of TAS/TNA/JL's cannon, and the Batman and TT are so unique they should stand on their own anyway) it obviously can't be Clooney Batman, since only TWO people die in the circus. What about his brother?! He had a brother in the movie! |
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Post by HUSH on Nov 13, 2004 23:34:23 GMT -5
Logical! ;D  |
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Post by ROBOTRON on Nov 14, 2004 8:40:53 GMT -5
I don't like the way DC is contradicting itself with the storyline between TV and comic book. I understand certain liberties must take place, but good grief, do they have to go haywire? Marvel is guilty of doing the same thing between its movie/cartoon/comic book storyline.  |
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Post by jlavaia on Nov 14, 2004 9:06:29 GMT -5
they're not really contradicting themselves too much. if you all go back to the original "teen titans" series and mostly to the "new teen titans" series you will see almost every character, hero and villain, have appeared in the comics. there are a few exceptions( master of games, mas y menos from the upcoming season), but mostly they are all there. look at some of the characters they've faced: Deathstroke, Plasmus, Dr. Light, Killer Moth, Brother Blood, Trigon. new teen titans vol. 2 # 1, has raven being possessed by her father Trigon. does this sound familiar. the whole thing with Terra, is basically the "Judas Contract". with all this being said ROBIN IS DICK GRAYSON. BATMAN IS STILL BATMAN, HE RARELY IF EVER APPEARED IN THE ORIGINAL SERIES OF TEEN TITANS AND NEW TEEN TITANS COMICS. another point of note: dick grayson left to join the titans because he was tired of batman, which would explain why batman's name never comes up. as for the weaponry, in the episode, "Can I Keep Him", Robin does not use the steel bo, but rather uses weapons closer to his own kaji sticks, by using those steel nightstick things that i have forgotten the name of.
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Post by JokerFC on Nov 21, 2004 23:21:42 GMT -5
personally id like to see batman in just one episode or maybe some of the older heroes just once to se what hed be like yknow?
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Post by Josh on Jan 5, 2005 22:24:34 GMT -5
[glow=blue,2,300]Hey, I'm a casual watcher of TT, and I'm watching an episode right now on Cartoon Network, and I just saw an episode where Robin is under the control of Slade, and he was fighting all the Titans on top of the Wayne Enterprises building. Anyone else see this one ?[/glow]
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Post by ROBOTRON on Jan 5, 2005 22:28:57 GMT -5
Not necessarily, Teen Titans came on long before The Batman. To me it makes more sence for it to be the Kevin Conroy Batmans TIm Drake Robin in the show. Tim with his friends out on there own. And the few hitches to this can be easily explained so I believe its Tim Drake. DrGreenEvil I agree with DrGreenEvil. |
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Post by HUSH on Jan 5, 2005 22:43:42 GMT -5
the Kevin Conroy Batmans TIm Drake Robin in the show However, the TT Robin looks older then the animated Tim Drake was during the events of Return of the Joker; thus can't be Tim Drake, as he stopped the Robin thing after those RotJ flashback events. He was not Robin when he was older, yet the TT Robin is older. |
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Post by HUSH on Jan 5, 2005 22:45:27 GMT -5
So, I have come to think that TT animated exists in it's own version of the DC universe.
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Post by ROBOTRON on Jan 5, 2005 23:16:47 GMT -5
So, I have come to think that TT animated exists in it's own version of the DC universe. Indeed...I get confused...Batman, Superman, TT, Batman Beyond, JLU, even stinkin' Static Shock...they all seem to contradict one another. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 6, 2005 4:32:52 GMT -5
Indeed...I get confused...Batman, Superman, TT, Batman Beyond, JLU, even stinkin' Static Shock...they all seem to contradict one another. too right robotron they have gone beyond contradiction into the area of shooting one another in the foot IMO.its like hush says i think its a stand alone version of robin not supposed to be paired with any batman we have seen onscreen |
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Post by HUSH on Jan 6, 2005 4:37:28 GMT -5
I'm sure the TT animated universe has its own versions of all the DC heroes, including Batman, we just haven't seen them. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jan 6, 2005 4:48:49 GMT -5
yup sounds good to me Hush although i wonder will we see more teen heroes like wonder girl, superboy kid flash etc in the same vein as speedy and aqualad?i sure hope so because seeing speedy and aqualad made me feel better about this show and curious about the older heroes of this world as sometimes i felt there wasnt supposed to be any until i seen certain episodes.
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Post by jlavaia on Jan 6, 2005 16:38:53 GMT -5
Batman and other heroes rarely showed up in the original teen titans comic series, that was one of the things that made it what it was, it was a bunch of sidekicks who were tired of being sidekicks and went out on their own and formed a team. the show is a replica of the comic only toned down to a juvenile level. its basically like kid titans. in the animated world of dc, its set before everything else. if we could only see deathstroke without his mask, we can really tell how far before. Brother Blood I should have been the tip off, seeing how he's been deceased for close to 20 years. 20 years ago Dick Grayson was Robin, Tim Drake wasn't even born. also everyone watch the episode this Sat. called "Titans East". Titans East was formed during the old titans series, not the new. also if you all remember when Dick Grayson first became Nightwing, he really wasn't in the Batman titles for quite a bit after.
TO SUM IT UP: TEEN TITANS TAKES PLACE PRIOR TO EVERYTHING ELSE. (The Batman is elseworlds so it doesn't count)
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I didn't ask which Robin it was - I asked which Batman it was - notice he's giving (whichever) Robin the costume for the first time. So, the question remains - which Batman is it? 
