Tim Drake is Robin in Teen Titans Cartoon right?

[SteveJRogers]

Was at a party and saw some kids playing with Teen Titans figures, one was Robin and I asked if they knew what his real name was, well the kids understandbly either just didn't know (maybe they just know the figures, maybe secret IDs aren't mentioned too often, who knows) or just didn't understand what I meant (i.e. maybe they thought I was asking about who does the voice) so I ask the LOG...

Its the Tim Drake Robin on the cartoon right? Dick Grayson has never appeared as Robin, only as Nightwing? Well maybe if there was ever a "flashback" cartoon?

Thanks
Steve

[ROBOTRON]

Negative.

I understand your confusion, I was convinced it was Tim Drake following the timeline of the tv shows....but there was an episode of TT that showed the Titans in the future, and the TT Robin had become Nightwing.

This fact cannot be disputed...no way Tim Drake is Nightwing.

[jlavaia]

this was explained in depth on other posts but i'll let you know incase you missed it.

no, Tim Drake is not the robin in Teen Titans. it is Dick Grayson. Dick Grayson did appear as Robin on Batman: the animated series, then later became Nightwing. Teen Titans takes place before Batman the animated series. there are many clues scattered throughout the entire series of Teen Titans (Larry's name being Dick's backswards, the ep. with Warp where Robin becomes Nightwing, etc.). the show mimics the original comic series of the titans, only toned down to the point where it can be considered "kid titans". the stuff with Terra is part of the "Judas Contract". also a main fact is that in the show Brother Blood is the original one, he died before Tim Drake was even born. the stuff with Starfire is more. and people mention the costume and weapons. the costume is the same as what he wore in Batman:tas, and originally he used the steel bo that Tim uses but that was changed to what he currently uses in the show and as Nightwing, his Kenpo sticks.

to sum it all up: DICK GRAYSON IS ROBIN ON TEEN TITANS.

[Tyson1990]

I'm pretty sure it is Dick Grayson. First of all on an episode where Starfire goes to the future, Robin hass changed to Nightwing. 2nd of all Larry (Robin version of Bat-Mite) shares the same dna with Robin and his real name is Dick Grayson spelled backwards. Last but not least when Raven went into his head, It showed to people falling from a trapeze. Hope that helped.

[jlavaia]

i had forgotten about when Raven went into his head. even more undisputable proof.

[SteveJRogers]

jlavaia said:

this was explained in depth on other posts but i'll let you know incase you missed it.

no, Tim Drake is not the robin in Teen Titans. it is Dick Grayson. Dick Grayson did appear as Robin on Batman: the animated series, then later became Nightwing. Teen Titans takes place before Batman the animated series. there are many clues scattered throughout the entire series of Teen Titans (Larry's name being Dick's backswards, the ep. with Warp where Robin becomes Nightwing, etc.). the show mimics the original comic series of the titans, only toned down to the point where it can be considered "kid titans". the stuff with Terra is part of the "Judas Contract". also a main fact is that in the show Brother Blood is the original one, he died before Tim Drake was even born. the stuff with Starfire is more. and people mention the costume and weapons. the costume is the same as what he wore in Batman:tas, and originally he used the steel bo that Tim uses but that was changed to what he currently uses in the show and as Nightwing, his Kenpo sticks.

to sum it all up: DICK GRAYSON IS ROBIN ON TEEN TITANS.

Cool, thanks. I would probably have told the kids, about Dick and Tim (hell even the Late Jason Todd and Stephanie Brown) but they didn't seem to be interested in me!

I mean when I was talking they didn't take themselves away from the toys! Oh well...

Steve

[BatWulf]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the show's producers have, on several occassions, stated that officially, none of the Teen Titans in the series have secret identities. Robin is just Robin. Sure, there are little clues scattered here and there, such as Larry's real name being Dick Grayson spelled backward and the people falling from a trapeze scene. But I understand these to be little tidbits for grownup fans who know the comics, not vital pieces of information (I could be all wrong on that).

Robin's costume on TT is not the same costume he wore in B:TAS. Very close, yes, but not the same. Notice his green leggings go all the way up to his belt. In B:TAS, his red tunic extended down below the belt, with the leggings below that (like in the comic). It's a small difference, but it is a difference.

As for the TT Robin being Nightwing in the future, so what? How do we know that Tim Drake doesn't become Nightwing someday? Is there a law that says only Dick Grayson can be Nightwing? In the animated series, we know Tim admired Dick, so the prospect of taking on his mantle someday might be attractive to him. Of course, if we follow the Batman Beyond storyline, we know he doesn't become Nightwing. Besides, that was only a possible future -- Starfire's actions have already altered it.

And let's not forget the Static Shock episode where Static asks Batman about Robin, to which Batman replies he's busy with the Teen Titans. At that point in the timeline, Tim Drake was Robin, and Dick Grayson was already Nightwing.

Finally, and most importantly, Teen Titans doesn't exist in the Timm-inspired DC Universe. Aside from that brief reference in the Static Shock episode, the Teen Titans have never been mentioned. The shows take place in different worlds, as it were. So I'm back to my original point: the producers say Robin is just Robin, not Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, or Tim Drake.

[HUSH]

ROBOTRON said:

Negative.

I understand your confusion, I was convinced it was Tim Drake following the timeline of the tv shows....but there was an episode of TT that showed the Titans in the future, and the TT Robin had become Nightwing.

This fact cannot be disputed...no way Tim Drake is Nightwing.

I concur. It is Dick Grayson.

[jlavaia]

in response to batwulf:

that is true his identity is never mentioned and its not in the Timm-inspired timeline, but you're forgetting a key point, the show Teen Titans takes place before Batman:tas, so if it were to keep going, then logically Tim Drake would join the Titans in a later incarnation of the team, so Batman telling Static that Robin is with the Titans can be true, but he cant be with them in the past. it cannot possibly be Tim Drake for the simple fact that both the original Brother Blood and Terra died before he was even born. the only Brother Blood that Tim has encountered is Brother Blood IX. also if it were Tim, than why arent Speedy and Aqualad named Tempest and Arsenal. and if it is Tim Drake, than please tell me how Dick, Starfire, Speedy(arsenal), and Tim are all the same age. Dick grew up with those characters, Tim didnt. also Bumblebee was an original member of Titans L.A. (in the show its named Titans East), if Robin is Tim, then Bumblebee would be working at S.T.A.R. Labs, under her real name Karen Beecher.

IT HAS BEEN PROVEN BEFORE: DICK GRAYSON IS ROBIN ON TEEN TITANS.

[BatWulf]

First, where do people get the idea that the TT show happens in the past? I've never read that anywhere. Have the show's producers said this somewhere? You can't use evidence from the comics -- they're completely separate universes. The fact that a character in the comic died before another character in the comic was born has no bearing on any of the shows. It's comparing apples and charcoal. Sure, both are carbon-based, but that's about the end of it. For that matter, how do you reconcile the B:TAS Dick Grayson wearing Tim Drake's Robin costume? Dick had stopped being Robin long before Jason Todd showed up in the comics, let alone Tim Drake.

Aside from small jokes within the show, I see no evidence to support Robin being Dick Grayson -- or anyone else. The show's producers have said Robin has no secret identity, and until they say otherwise, I'm taking them at their word. Robin is simply Robin.

[/\/\att]

[shadow=green,left,300]let me help clarify a bit...firstly, TT exists in its own universe, it is NOT in the continuity of BTAS in any way, shape or form.

...and having spoken to Marv Wolfman, creator of the New Teen Titans and writer on some episodes of the show, I can tell you that the creative team has no specific Robin in mind...he is just Robin..a timeless icon, like batman.[/shadow]

[ROBOTRON]

I understand in an animated cartoon series for the 90's and the new millenia, certain liberties are taken and storylines are skewed...but c'mon man...being a comic book fan and a fan of the cartoon, one craves continuity. Since this subject has come under discussion several times not only here at LOG but at several other venues (boards, magazines, etc.), it would be nice if the writers/producers, whatever...would give us a definitive answer.

[jasontodd2]

Even though the writers and other people won't say which Robin it is, I say all fingers point to Dick Grayson. Some examples have already been given in the previous posts above. Also there was an episode where Dick Grayson was spelled backwards. But perhaps the entire concept for which Robin it is for us to decide. Whose your favorite Robin? Dick? Jason? Tim? Maybe they want us to decide for ourselves and enjoy it that way.

[Batlaw]

"OPEN MINDS" folks, open minds.

I cant express my thoughts regarding the
"argument(s)" about Robin's I.D. any better than Batwulf and Matt. The argument has been made on all sides and on multiple occasions now.

I ask the more "aggressive" or "passionate" posters of this discussion, no matter which side youre on, to relax. It doen't matter who Robin is. It's fun and fine to speculate, have and express your thoughts, and point out "clues" from the show, but keep it in perspective. Keep it fun, keep it pleasant and who cares if someone disagrees with what you consider "obvious"?

The "argument" regarding the animated TT Robin's identity is bassically unnecessary fanatic nonsense to begin with IMO.
You either watch and enjoy this show and accept it's particular "vision", or you dont. In which case, dont watch. If it doesn't support and comply with your "vision", expectations or assumptions, then its not worth your time (and neither is beating a dead horse about it)

We are all well aware of all the "evidence" provided thus far regarding Robin's I.D. It does not need to be rehashed.

This show geared for a younger audience who not only dont care about alter egos pers'e, but dont come into the show with any baggage.
The little "fanboy" particulars of individual characters or storylines Etc. should be considered just that, treats for the hardcore fans that do need and or want a little "continuity" or even just nostalgia.

Robin's identity is up to individual interpretation

(dont want to lock this thread. So keep it up-beat. keep it friendly and keep from regurgitating the same points repeatedly)

That being said... Silly fans, KRYPTO"S FOR KIDS!!
LOLOL ;D

[jlavaia]

fair enough, so if indeed Robin is just Robin, and not Dick Grayson, what has been said of Starfire. her name has never been mentioned as anything but Starfire, and there is even more proof that it is indeed Kory, but anyone who's read Swamp Thing knows of another Starfire. i believe she even had her own series, but i could be wrong on that. is it Kory or Starfire of the Eternal Champions? because i was thinking why would only Robin be different and not the others? then it dawned on me, they all must be different characters than the ones from the original Titans. so than Beast Boy isn't Gar Logan, his name is never mentioned, he must be the Beast Boy from Legion. and Raven, well so many characters have used that name, it could anyone of them.

my point here is that just because a real name is never mentioned, doesn't mean it's not that character. and the reasoning for the producers and writers not using the real names in the show is so that it doesn't confuse the younger audience that the show is geared towards. and for the older crowd, they dropped hints, clues, and background on EVERY character in the show so that they would know exactly who the character really was. if they wanted to do something different and change things, why wasn't it done like the Batman, or at least, why isn't any character's appearance altered from that of the comic?

[BatWulf]

I have to admit, when I first saw the TT show, I hated it. With a passion. My personal anti-anime bias was simply too strong. I felt the characters were portrayed as extremely simplistic. Starfire wasn't simply naive, she was downright stupid (in my opinion). Robin was wearing a variation of the comic Tim Drake's costume, but was leading the team that starred Dick Grayson in the comics. Drove me nuts. At the time, I was a big fan of Young Justice, and Tim is my favorite Robin by far. Controversy over the show's Robin's secret identity on the 'net was rampant, and I didn't know who to believe. I hate not knowing something.

But the show quickly grew on me, and I began to view it the way it was obviously intended: lighthearted fun for younger kids, but with enough humor and dare I say it, human insight for older fans as well. More than any other DC animated show, I'd say there has been greater character development in Teen Titans. Certainly the plots are more character-driven. More often than not, the villains are there to spark character development or revalation, not just to provide action. Don't get me wrong, B:TAS, S:TAS, JL, JLU, etc, all have a certain amount of character development and character-driven plots. "Robin's Reconing" remains one of my favorite episode pairs. But in TT, every episode deals more with one or more characters than any previous show.

I care about these characters and what happens to them, not just because they're icons like Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman. I care because I recognize aspects of myself when I was younger. Robin, hiding his insecurities from his friends and trying to put on such a mature front. Starfire, often confused and bewildered about the world around her, yet eternally optimistic. Raven, burying her emotions for fear they'll take over. Beast Boy, using humor to cover for his own insecurities. Cyborg, seeking acceptance for his differences in a world that worships conformity. And who doesn't remember the adolescent rush and fear of that first crush? Roll them all together, and you have just about every Real World teenager who's ever lived.

Kids can identify with these characters. Sure, I wanted to be a superhero when I was a kid, fight villains and whatnot, and that certainly appeals to kids today as well. But kids can also identify with the characters on a more personal level. These characters don't have secret identities, because they don't need them. They're simple, yet complex enough without secret IDs.

So I don't want to know which Robin this is compared to other animated series or comiclines. If I want to know what's happening to Tim Drake or Dick Grayson, I'll open a comic book or watch a B:TAS DVD. This is the TT Robin, the leader who constantly strives to prove himself (more to himself than anyone else). That's enough for me, and I like to think that's what the writers, directors, and producers intended. And I guess that's the point I was trying to make earlier, but missing the mark.

[Batlaw]

Brilliant analysis and great perspective Batwulf.
A well thought and well worded observation.

[JokersGalPal]

[shadow=purple,left,300]by going on self interest, I've WANTED him to be a young Dick Grayson.

I understand Robo's posts and Batwulf's posts to the fullest, but as TechnoBat stated, its for the viewers to make their own judgement and go with what they want [/shadow]

[reideen1313]

After seeing tonight's episode of Teen Titans, I'd say it isn't either Dick, Tim or Jason. It's Mark from Gatchaman!

I liked the new helmet and wings!

[Batlaw]

reideen1313 said:

It's Mark from Gatchaman!
I liked the new helmet and wings!

LOLOL No kidding! That was funny. Even how his cape was worn and his stance in one or two panels were obvious nods!

I gotta say, I think they should consider keeping the scallops on his cape!
I hope we see a variant figure w/ this outfit

[batman1973]

You are all wrong. It's Carrie Kelly! Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

[All Star Batman]

Forget what some others say, the answer is:
ROBIN IN TEEN TITANS IS DICK GRAYSON! If you ask me, they should make a Teen Titans movie explaining how they came together.

[Robin]

batfan1990 said:

Forget what some others say, the answer is:
ROBIN IN TEEN TITANS IS DICK GRAYSON! If you ask me, they should make a Teen Titans movie explaining how they came together.

That would be awesome! It'd be great if Batman made a cameo.

[reideen1313]

admin said:

[shadow=green,left,300]...and having spoken to Marv Wolfman, creator of the New Teen Titans and writer on some episodes of the show, I can tell you that the creative team has no specific Robin in mind...he is just Robin..a timeless icon, like batman.[/shadow]

Actually, at the Teen Titans 25th Anniversary panel today at SDCC, the question was raised - 'WHICH Robin is it?' Here's the response from a couple of panel members:

When asked Murakami declined to definitively state whether Robin on the animated series is Tim Drake or Dick Grayson. Wolfman, chuckling, offered that it can’t be Tim Drake, pointing out that there has been an episode that sees Robin grow up and become Nightwing.