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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 1, 2008 16:32:29 GMT -5
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thejoker99
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Post by thejoker99 on Jul 3, 2008 8:03:34 GMT -5
i would love Nolan to re-create the Riddler.........that would be sweet!
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Post by batmanphantasm on Jul 20, 2008 0:30:19 GMT -5
I was surprised about what happened to Two-Face in The Dark Knight. I was expecting him to be the main villain in Nolan's Batman 3.
Catwoman and Harley Quinn also could be choices. Don't rule out the Phantasm, she's pretty realistic compared to some of the other Batman rogue's gallery villains.
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Post by supermanisbetter on Jul 20, 2008 18:15:18 GMT -5
didn't Nolan rule out Catwoman & Penguin? I honestly would be ok if this was the last movie in this series. The realism movement is unsustainable IMO
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Post by holyusernamebatman on Jul 21, 2008 11:29:28 GMT -5
Man I would love to see Harley but I don't know if she's too cartoony for Nolan? I think it could be done... but then the Joker would have to be re-cast (for obvious reasons) =)
Other than that I'd like to see Catwoman or the Riddler for sure!
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 21, 2008 17:23:48 GMT -5
The realism movement is unsustainable IMO I don't know, maybe for six films it would be difficult to keep the realism going. I love some of the more sci-fi characters, but I'm still happy without them. Can you expand on your opinion please?
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Post by Eric on Jul 21, 2008 18:24:42 GMT -5
Id like to see him bring in Selina Kyle. Theres an opening now for a new female lead. It can be done. A socialite who gets her kicks stealing from the very poeple she socializes with? Yep.
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Post by batmanphantasm on Jul 22, 2008 1:31:36 GMT -5
Since Nolan and company are doing realism really well. You could technically have Poison Ivy, just have her as an eco-terrorist.
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Post by Batman_Returns on Jul 22, 2008 2:44:48 GMT -5
Firstly I'd just like to say hey to everyone on here (as I'm new here). Anyway, I read into the third batman film and the guy from Doctor Who, David Tennant, has expressed interest in playing The Riddler. I haven't really been much into the comics over the years, but I think (correct me of I'm wrong) that the Riddler in Batman Forever wasn't really his true form; I think of The Riddler as an obsessive compulsive know it all type character (as seen in TAS), than a loud joking character like we got in Batman Forever. I too really thought Two-Face would continue into the third film, but I dont think you could have a whole film dedicated to Two Face. Nolan said that the Penguin would be very difficult to portray in his films, as it wouldn't really gel that well with the storyline and the fact that it may been too unrealistic.
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Post by holyusernamebatman on Jul 22, 2008 16:39:39 GMT -5
Since Nolan and company are doing realism really well. You could technically have Poison Ivy, just have her as an eco-terrorist. i really like that idea!!
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Post by realbatgirl on Jul 23, 2008 13:29:02 GMT -5
Id like to see him bring in Selina Kyle. Theres an opening now for a new female lead. It can be done. A socialite who gets her kicks stealing from the very poeple she socializes with? Yep. I'm with you on this. I think that Selina Kyle in the next Bat film would be awesome and realistic. Some other possibilties my husband and I thought up were Bane, Killer Croc, maybe even Clay Face if they did him right. In addition I think that there is a possibility for Poison Ivy in the future.. as long as they keep her realistic.
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Post by Jack the Skull on Jul 23, 2008 14:12:50 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]With the way they ended "The Dark Knight" they opened it up several villain possibilities. Every freak in Gotham would want to join in on the Batman manhunt!
Personally i would like to see the Riddler or Catwoman! Black Mask, Clayface or Killer Croc would be sweet, if they are able to keep them real![/shadow]
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Post by /\/\att on Jul 23, 2008 14:22:55 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]With the way they ended "The Dark Knight" they opened it up several villain possibilities. Every freak in Gotham would want to join in on the Batman manhunt! Personally i would like to see the Riddler or Catwoman! Black Mask, Clayface or Killer Croc would be sweet, if they are able to keep them real![/shadow] You know, I would be really down with them introducing Selina/Catwoman. As for an actualy villain(s)...I would like to see something like Clayface, if they could pull him off right. That'd be really sweet. I don't want to see the Riddler..I just don't think they could put him into the Nolan universe and make him fit..he's just too cheesy. Bane done right would be perfect..a knightfall movie. Thats still what I want after all of these years..I want Knightfall!
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Post by ??The Riddler?? on Jul 23, 2008 14:46:18 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]With the way they ended "The Dark Knight" they opened it up several villain possibilities. Every freak in Gotham would want to join in on the Batman manhunt! Personally i would like to see the Riddler or Catwoman! Black Mask, Clayface or Killer Croc would be sweet, if they are able to keep them real![/shadow] You know, I would be really down with them introducing Selina/Catwoman. As for an actualy villain(s)...I would like to see something like Clayface, if they could pull him off right. That'd be really sweet. I don't want to see the Riddler..I just don't think they could put him into the Nolan universe and make him fit..he's just too cheesy. Bane done right would be perfect..a knightfall movie. Thats still what I want after all of these years..I want Knightfall! [shadow=green,left,300] Some interpretations of Riddler aren't cheesy. I think Nolan could pull it off, perhaps making Riddler's mind a lot like John from Saw when it comes to sick traps with riddles... His traits would stay somewhat the same but having a darker edge to it.. I want the psycho interpretation that has the compulsive desire that is actually a threat.The one thing I hated about the character, was the nutty pathethic version... I don't want some guy prancing around in a green suit I want someone that isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and maybe kill someone... Maybe have the victims kill themselves. I want a darker approach and have gotten it only a few times... if Nolan could do it, which I am sure he could; that would be something to see. But I am up for whoever he has in store for us.[/shadow]
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Post by scarecrow29 on Jul 23, 2008 15:26:29 GMT -5
I'd actually like to see Firefly in a future movie. When Lucius Fox opened the case for Bruce before he went to Hong Kong, there was the helmet with the breathing tube on it, but Batman never uses it. If I remember correctly, it's similar to the one the Firefly action figure wears, so it could be done. Firefly is one of the more realistic ones, as well. All he needs is a jet pack basically. This way, there's nowhere for Batman to hide. Whether on the ground, or in the air, Firefly can fight him. And who wouldn't want to see Batman and Firefly fight as Gotham is burning in the background? Imagine the cinematography on that!
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Post by coliv1977 on Jul 23, 2008 18:48:13 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300] Personally i would like to see the Riddler or Catwoman! Black Mask, Clayface or Killer Croc would be sweet, if they are able to keep them real![/shadow] I think Blask Mask would work really well in the Nolan Universe, maybe just as well as Joker(although I know Ledger had everything to do with Joker working well, but you know what I mean)
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Post by batmanphantasm on Jul 23, 2008 20:40:06 GMT -5
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crazyk
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Post by crazyk on Jul 23, 2008 21:41:12 GMT -5
I'd like to see Blackmask even though I don't know diddly squat about him!
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Post by Lena on Jul 25, 2008 5:50:18 GMT -5
I think they would be careful if they recast Nolan as the Joker, it could be a little...idk...tactless? And it might spoil the character that Heath Ledger created? Maybe, i don't know. I would love to see the Riddler though, that would be great.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 25, 2008 12:52:14 GMT -5
if they recast the joker with a serious actor (daniel day lewis anyone?) that would compliment what heath ledger did but at the same time give his own spin on the character - that would be okay
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Post by twisted on Jul 25, 2008 15:08:20 GMT -5
A bit off topic here, but if they were to recast the Joker, and I'm not saying they should or shouldn't mind you, my vote would go to a guy some of you may know. A Mr. John Depp.
As for the next bad guy I like the idea of Enigma (Riddler). That is of course if it is done right, and there isn't a reason to think it wouldn't be. Though I'd like to see Catwoman introduced in the next one, thus setting up for the one after that.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 25, 2008 17:53:13 GMT -5
johnny depp? really? and why does everyone want to see the riddler? i just cannot understand everyones fascination with the character. he's alright, but...eh
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Post by twisted on Jul 26, 2008 2:42:27 GMT -5
johnny depp? really? and why does everyone want to see the riddler? i just cannot understand everyones fascination with the character. he's alright, but...eh Yes, yes. Mr. Depp would most assuredly be on the very short list of actors who could do the role justice IMO. Though Mr. Lewis would also be on my short list as well. I think Mr. Depp would capture the look better though. As far as the Riddler goes, he's a very good character. Considering what they've done for The Batman, and what they did for the Joker and Two-Face, I think the Riddler could be done very well, and fit nicely into the Bat world they've created. Don't think Riddler from the T.V. show, nor many of the incarnations we've seen in the past, but think about what could really be done with him in light of what they've been able to do so far. If you think along those lines I think you'll see how much potential the Riddler really has.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 26, 2008 2:58:53 GMT -5
im trying to think along those lines and i just don't see it. think about it this way: the only reason he's still around today is because of frank gorshin's version on the batman tv show. before that, the riddler made only 2 appearances like 20 years prior because he was never very popular. i just think he is boring and not extremely inventive. if they do go the route of the riddler, i hope they don't make it very much about him but bring the movie back around to focusing solely on batman with the villains in the background.
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Post by crazyhatter on Jul 26, 2008 8:11:00 GMT -5
I am not very thrilled about bringing the Riddler into the next movie either. I do want Catwoman and some combination of Black Mask, the Ventriloquist, and Mad Hatter. Maybe throw the Penguin in there too.
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Post by X~ Harley Quinn ~X on Jul 26, 2008 17:37:15 GMT -5
Obviously I would love to see Harley... maybe if the Joker doesn't make an appearance (if he's shut away in Arkham for instance) she could be out there trying to get revenge on the Batman and Gotham for locking him away... hmm, I don't know. As a character Harley is brilliant, but she's not really the threatening super-villain type... without establishing her relationship with the Joker she could end up just looking silly...
I would love the see the Joker again, I don't think I'd mind if they re-cast as long the actor did the character justice... don't laugh at me but the only person I could see doing it successfully would be Johnny Depp!! But I don't think even he could match up to Heath's magnificent performance. I would like to see Poison Ivy, she'd fit in very well with the realism I think and is easily transferable into Nolan's Gotham (i.e the eco terrorist as was mentioned in a post above), Catwoman is also a possibility and I'd absolutely love to see the Riddler.. as long as he wasn't too similar to the character of the Joker.
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Post by coliv1977 on Jul 26, 2008 17:56:23 GMT -5
don't laugh at me but the only person I could see doing it successfully would be Johnny Depp!! I actually think he would be great. Also(and those who didn't laugh at Johnny Depp may laugh at this)what about Christian Slater? I'm basing this on my love for Jack Nicholson's Joker and the fact that I've seen Slater do a really good Jack impression, plus he looks a lot like a young Jack, IMO. I really think he would do a good job also
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Post by twisted on Jul 27, 2008 13:25:02 GMT -5
Batman 3: My vision
We open the movie with Commissioner Gordon at the scene of a burglary. Normally the commissioner wouldn't be at the scene of a theft but this is a high profile case. We're in a mansion of a very rich socialite of Gotham. Very upscale security system, and yet the thief was able to make off with some jewel or piece of art without ever being detected.
Now we've set up the Catwoman. But we never see her throughout the movie. This is the set up for the 4th movie. Instead throughout the 3rd movie we hear about thefts of high profile citizens of Gotham. The opening as I've described of course, then later on maybe something overheard on a police radio. Still later we have two characters talking about whatever but in the background the T.V. news happens to be on. Most people in the audience are listening to the characters, but if you pay attention to the news you hear about another break-in. Later a character is reading about some serial killer in the newspaper, but if one looks at the whole front page one might notice a little article about a burglary of a museum and how the police are stumped. So through the movie hints are being dropped.
Of course Bruce Wayne meets a new love interest. Ms. Selina Kyle. We see him take he out a few times during the course of the movie. He even talks to Alfred about her at some point. (Little does he know?)
Now on to the rest of "3". I think we need to focus a little more on Gordon. A little more about him as a character, and how now he is trapped in a duel nature somewhat like our hero. Now he has to appear to be hunting The Batman, but he is really The Batman's ally. How is he dealing with living, in part, a lie? Even though he agrees with Batman’s motivations he sometimes questions his methods, and this along with the lie he is now forced to live is causing him stress.
Gotham is also torn in two. Many still see Batman as a hero, while others blame him for some of the more deadly criminals coming out of the shadows. Scenes where some citizens try to capture The Batman are needed, as well as a scene where regular citizens help The Batman.
The aspect of the copycat batmans needs to be explored a little more.
Then there is the main villain. The Riddler. At first the police are stumped by an apparent serial killer on the loose. He gives the police riddles and a time and date that happens in the very near future. Basically if you figure out the riddle before the date and time you save a life. If you figure it out after the date and time you find a body. And if you don't figure out the riddle, a body part is sent to show there is a body, but you'll never know who it is.
At first Gordon doesn't bring The Batman in. "Let him deal with the thugs, and the mob, let us deal with the psychos." thinks Gordon. He remembers all the mayhem the last time Batman got involved with a psycho and Gordon is trying to avoid that. Mainly this is due to Gordon dealing with his own issues with The Batman.
But eventually The Batman does get involved. He figures out one of the riddles in time and saves a life. Also it's done somewhat publicly so it makes it into the papers about how The Batman saved so and so.
Now all of a sudden the riddles change. Before the police were able to understand them to a certain degree, but now they have no idea. When Batman is given a look at the riddle he is shocked. This riddle was meant for only one person to understand. No not The Batman. This riddle would only be understood by.....Bruce Wayne. This "Riddler" knows.
Now we have to deal with how The Batman deals with all the different aspects in his life. Now he is the hunted by both police and citizens. How does he deal with it? He has a new love interest. How does he deal with that? Some people are still on his side. How does he deal with that? Especially these copycats? And now an enemy who seems to know that he and Bruce Wayne are the same. Who is this "Riddler"? Only certain people know. Can he trust them? This opens up a heck of a lot of psychological drama.
Now 3 will probably be nothing like this, but you can see how we can focus more on The Batman/Bruce Wayne character, as well as a few other characters, and still have a good believable bad guy, done in a very dark manner. The "Riddler" can so fit Nolan's Batman.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 27, 2008 19:02:01 GMT -5
It is a mistake to think of the Riddler only in terms of Frank Gorshin. He made the character popular, but the character has remained popular for ever since.
What is compelling about the Riddler is that he is just as smart as Batman. He is not always portrayed as a Joker knock off. He is also very competitive. Where Joker would just want the game to go on forever, the Riddler would want to win. I don't think I've done a very good job of explaining why the Riddler is a good character. Anyone want to help me out?
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Post by twisted on Jul 28, 2008 3:14:07 GMT -5
What is compelling about the Riddler is that he is just as smart as Batman. He is not always portrayed as a Joker knock off. He is also very competitive. Where Joker would just want the game to go on forever, the Riddler would want to win. I don't think I've done a very good job of explaining why the Riddler is a good character. Anyone want to help me out? I have to agree with you and disagree with you here. To both the Joker and the Riddler it is a game being played out. In the case of the Riddler it's about out smarting The Batman. He doesn't just want to kill him. He wants Batman to die at his hands, but it has to be done on certain terms. It has to be the result of him winning a battle of wits with Batman. In the case of the Joker I don't think the Joker wants the battle to last forever. He says this, but he doesn't mean it at all. It's just another way to get Batman mad. The Joker wants to win the game, but in his twisted mind the way to win the game is by getting Batman to kill him. The Joker knows that even though Batman will bend the rules, even break them, that Batman does live by a code. A big part of that code is that Batman will not intentionally kill anyone, and the Joker knows this. To the Joker this is the mountain that must be climbed. To win the game he has to get The Batman to intentionally kill someone. And if that someone is the Joker........so be it.
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