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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 23, 2008 13:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 25, 2008 20:05:25 GMT -5
They have some ideas, but I am not that impressed with any of them. Some of them, they didn't change them nearly enough to be believable. There are ways to make Mr. Freeze believable, but their version wasn't.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 25, 2008 22:28:33 GMT -5
They have some ideas, but I am not that impressed with any of them. Some of them, they didn't change them nearly enough to be believable. There are ways to make Mr. Freeze believable, but their version wasn't. How would you make Freeze work in this series, Nightwing?
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 26, 2008 2:59:34 GMT -5
HEART OF ICE
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Post by crazyhatter on Jul 26, 2008 8:07:15 GMT -5
They have some ideas, but I am not that impressed with any of them. Some of them, they didn't change them nearly enough to be believable. There are ways to make Mr. Freeze believable, but their version wasn't. How would you make Freeze work in this series, Nightwing? I agree, I hated their version of Freeze. If Nolan is completely ignoring the sci-fi elements of Batman and grounding it in reality, just don't use Freeze in his trilogy. Heart of Ice is still the version of Freeze I look to for the true character. On a side note I always thought they should change his character's name to Dr. Freeze instead of Mr. Freeze, since he is a scientist. I think Batman should only call him Mr. Freeze as a way to disgrace him for no longer being a doctor. But whatever, just my thoughts.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 27, 2008 18:48:54 GMT -5
How would you make Freeze work in this series, Nightwing? On a side note I always thought they should change his character's name to Dr. Freeze instead of Mr. Freeze, since he is a scientist. I think Batman should only call him Mr. Freeze as a way to disgrace him for no longer being a doctor. But whatever, just my thoughts. Well Batman would disgrace Mr. Freeze by not referring to him as a doctor. That sounds more like something Spiderman would do. My version of Mr. Freeze for a Nolan movie would take the essential part of his character and build on that. In my version, he is a hockey player. At first that sounds like a major departure for him, but it really isn't. He doesn't have an ice gun and he does not have to keep his temperature below average. He can tolerate low temperature better than most. He is athletic, powerful, and can take a beating. He would have a very high threshold for pain. He also has a similar personality to the BTAS version. He got to be known as Mr. Freeze from some of his teammates. He is a man with a sick wife. His overriding goal is to cure her. Now I haven't quite figured out what exactly would be wrong with her. Perhaps it is an unusual form of cancer or something to that effect. I'm thinking that his character would start off low in the Mob and he would gradually work his way up to a hitman. I haven't quite worked out everything I would use about him, but I think I have the basic idea. I'm not sure yet exactly what he is doing to try to save Nora and what his part in Gotham would be. Another idea I had was that maybe the mob has taken Nora as a hostage and Mr. Freeze is an unwilling mafia hitman. I think I like that version better. It would give him more complexity and would put Batman into a moral dilemma.
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Post by jokerfan on Jul 28, 2008 13:33:30 GMT -5
I do agree. However, I think they should have given Two face some more time in the next film. I mean sure he just goes around shooting people but he's still a cool villian. I liked him and plus the Dark Knight was quite long. They could have cut out some of the Two Face stuff and put it in the next film.
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Post by batfan93 on Jul 30, 2008 7:15:56 GMT -5
I personally think Bane and Penguin could work in a Nolan movie. Talia to me is nesecarry at some point in the future. Hugo Strange might also be interesting.
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Post by havedunter74 on Jul 30, 2008 9:57:40 GMT -5
i like the idea of bane but aren't the current films starting at the start of batmans career so mayb a villain from the early days? this topic could create such diverse opinions.
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Post by /\/\att on Jul 30, 2008 10:47:10 GMT -5
The thing with Nolan is that he needs to get a villain (or villains) down that have the most potential for big screen presence. I think characters like Bane, Mr. Freeze and Penguin are all great. I think that an entire movie with Batman vs. Penguin would be lame, to be honest. I'd like to see quite a few villains in the next one..to see them sprouting up all over Gotham.
I think villains like Ivy that have a more supernatural tone would be better left out of the Nolan series.
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Post by anthonywayne on Jul 30, 2008 12:42:02 GMT -5
I think with the way 'Dark Knight' ended, the only logical choice would be to bring back Ra's Al Ghul (with Talia in tow), and have him offer the choice to join him again: "The city you so love has turned on you - where are the 'good people' of Gotham now? I offer you the chance once more to make a real difference in the world..." something along those lines.
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Post by crazyhatter on Jul 31, 2008 8:28:40 GMT -5
I think with the way 'Dark Knight' ended, the only logical choice would be to bring back Ra's Al Ghul (with Talia in tow), and have him offer the choice to join him again: "The city you so love has turned on you - where are the 'good people' of Gotham now? I offer you the chance once more to make a real difference in the world..." something along those lines. That's a really good idea. I think as much as I really don't want to see it but it might be for the best, is to introduce Robin. As dark and as alone as Batman is at the end of Dark Knight introducing Robin would fit the continuation of the story IMO.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 31, 2008 12:38:47 GMT -5
agreed. but they shouldn't introduce robin, only dick grayson. when batman is out, robin could be working with alfred in the batcave and stay on the computers feeding batman info and things like that. it wouldn't make sense for batman to bring a 12 year old out into the night and fight. and please. not another 24 year old robin.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 31, 2008 18:32:21 GMT -5
The thing with Nolan is that he needs to get a villain (or villains) down that have the most potential for big screen presence. I think characters like Bane, Mr. Freeze and Penguin are all great. I think that an entire movie with Batman vs. Penguin would be lame, to be honest. I'd like to see quite a few villains in the next one..to see them sprouting up all over Gotham. I think villains like Ivy that have a more supernatural tone would be better left out of the Nolan series.
I agree, and I think that Nolan has done a super job with adding more than one villian into the fold with his first two Batman films, with Begins there were three, One Main villian in Ras, then a second tier villian with The Scarecrow, and of course a minor one in Mr Zsasz (spelling)
And he added the same formula with The Dark Knight with the villains with Joker being the main guy, Two Face second and Scarecrow as the minor villian.
I think he should take it to the next level with the third one and add in alot more villians even if they are minor, I mean how cool would it have been if some of the villians on the ferry resembled some of Batmans Rogue's Gallery like a film freak, Amagadlya (spelling, although Tiny Lister could have been portraying him in the film), etc...
And again I totally agree with you as The Penguin as the main villian and trying to carry a film would be lame and not really work. And the way they need to play the penquin is how he is portrayed in the comics.
A villian I would love to see in the next film would be Deadshot
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Post by scarecrow29 on Jul 31, 2008 18:46:32 GMT -5
I think Deadshot could potentially work, too. Think about it, Batman's obviously a wanted man, and there's going to be a reward for whoever brings him in. You could have a big mob boss, like Black Mask, hire a hitman, Deadshot, to take him out, therefore restoring the mob's credibility and social status in Gotham. There could even be room for other villains in small roles. Penguin could be the one supplying Deadshot with his weapons, but not be a real villain himself, operating from the Iceberg Lounge. Riddler could be somewhat of a villain, but leave clues for Batman as to who hired Deadshot, who wants him dead, etc. I think every main villain could potentially work, except Man-Bat and Mr. Freeze.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 31, 2008 22:59:20 GMT -5
The next one should have a bunch of villains. There is not going to be a better villain than the Joker, so it would be better to have a bunch of different ones to take up the slack. It goes well with the Joker's line too, "Gotham deserves a better class of criminal. And I'm going to give to them."
Release the freaks.
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Post by snooch2dnooch on Jul 31, 2008 23:55:22 GMT -5
you're right, nothing can beat the joker, but i don't think cluttering gotham with villains will solve that problem. the key is to bring the story back around and centered on bruce wayne/batman like they did in begins.
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Post by electri on Aug 2, 2008 16:24:13 GMT -5
what about penguin in his bar place forgotten what its called for a second
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Post by jasontodd2 on Aug 2, 2008 16:54:20 GMT -5
what about penguin in his bar place forgotten what its called for a second I think having The Penquin as a minor character in the film, locked up in his "IceBurg Lounge" bar would be a great idea. Have him be the villian Batman goes to a few times in the film for information on certain other villians in the movie.
Or he could be one of a few guys vying to be the top mob boss in Gotham, but having the "IceBurg Lounge" in the film would be a must
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Post by SRA on Aug 19, 2008 10:51:18 GMT -5
I would love Nolan to use a female villain as well - Harley Quinn twisted by Jokers incarceration... Catwoman/Selina to give Bruce/Batman a new love interest... Or Poison Ivy as a Psychotic Eco-Terroist...
Most of the villains could be made more realistic with the right writing - So far all the villains portrayed have worked - And Im sure Batman 3 will be just as good.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 19, 2008 12:12:25 GMT -5
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Post by batsy68 on Aug 23, 2008 5:10:15 GMT -5
With most of the underworld in disarray, now would be the perfect time for the Black mask to make an appearance. Hush would fit in this more realistic world Nolan has created. As for the likes of the riddler, catwoman etc etc I don't think they would sit right. Burtons Batman yes, Nolans, no. Either way, I feel that no singular villain could carry the film as the joker did.
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 23, 2008 20:15:49 GMT -5
With most of the underworld in disarray, now would be the perfect time for the Black mask to make an appearance. Hush would fit in this more realistic world Nolan has created. As for the likes of the riddler, catwoman etc etc I don't think they would sit right. Burtons Batman yes, Nolans, no. Either way, I feel that no singular villain could carry the film as the joker did. I kind of had an idea that one of the side stories in the third one would be a large gangwar between the last of mob, Black Mask, Penguin, and the Ventriloquist and Scarface.
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Post by SuperPa on Aug 23, 2008 20:34:06 GMT -5
As long as the director for the next one use's only the normal un-powered villains then they have a great gallery to chose from,Riddler,Catwoman,Hush,Penguin,Blackmask along those lines,but like was said above,no villain can carry a film like Ledger's Joker,so maybe the only way to movie forward is to have alot of Villains pick up the slack.
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Post by Doomsday on Aug 23, 2008 20:41:02 GMT -5
There could be a war between the leftover mob (lead by the Chechen) and the supervillains AKA freaks (led by the Riddler)
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Post by SuperPa on Aug 23, 2008 21:20:55 GMT -5
Doubt Super villains would ever be used in a Nolan Batman story.But the idea of Villains being under the leadership of one head villain wouldn't work it worked for the Joker because he was a freak dealing with Norms but no self respecting Bat villain could fall in line with another Bat villain's regime.
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Post by batsy68 on Aug 26, 2008 11:17:44 GMT -5
The "Daily Telegraph" a paper here in England, is running a story that Cher will play catwoman. It also says the next film will be titled ' The caped crusader'. Catwoman in her twilight years is how they are describing it. They ain't kidding! Oh, and just to add, Johnny Depp is the riddler. It's in the new's so it must be true. Lol
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 26, 2008 15:02:41 GMT -5
The "Daily Telegraph" a paper here in England, is running a story that Cher will play catwoman. It also says the next film will be titled ' The caped crusader'. Catwoman in her twilight years is how they are describing it. They ain't kidding! Oh, and just to add, Johnny Depp is the riddler. It's in the new's so it must be true. Lol Yikes, I hope that was in the gossip column and not an official story.
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Post by electri on Aug 27, 2008 21:45:53 GMT -5
lol all star
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Post by thescarecrow on Sept 2, 2008 16:30:27 GMT -5
My dream is having the Penguin(Phillip Seymour Hoffman) as a criminal mastermind, along with the Riddler(Jake Gyllenhaal) causing trouble as well. They could use an unknown teenage actress as a TB approach on Poison Ivy, and use her like Topher Grace in Spider-Man 3, as a teenager assaulting Bruce Wayne & Lucius Fox throughout the film for destroying nature via Wayne Enterprises, then have an accident near the end of the film, probably thanks to the Penguin, that turns Pamela into Ivy. Maybe bring in the Batbot, too...
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