batfan64
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Post by batfan64 on May 1, 2009 18:06:53 GMT -5
I prefer Nolan's films. They portray Batman closer to the comics[not killing, like Keaton did, for example] And are much better, story wise, IMO.
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jef1963
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Post by jef1963 on May 1, 2009 19:08:31 GMT -5
Story-wise, I totally agree Nolan's Batman is superior. But if I had to watch one of the other, I'd go for Tim Burton's Batman. I guess I really loved his vision of Gotham city more than the Nolanverse Chicago.
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batfan64
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Luke Skywalker is still the best Joker.
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Post by batfan64 on May 2, 2009 16:04:02 GMT -5
Story-wise, I totally agree Nolan's Batman is superior. But if I had to watch one of the other, I'd go for Tim Burton's Batman. I guess I really loved his vision of Gotham city more than the Nolanverse Chicago. I might be wrong, but wasn't Gotham inspired from Chicago? I remember reading that once.
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Post by jlavaia on May 8, 2009 10:18:09 GMT -5
I prefer Nolan's films. They portray Batman closer to the comics[not killing, like Keaton did, for example] And are much better, story wise, IMO. the Nolan movies actually dont come close to portraying Batman as he is in the comics. not one thing in either of the 2 movies actually occured in the comics. not one. Story-wise, I totally agree Nolan's Batman is superior. But if I had to watch one of the other, I'd go for Tim Burton's Batman. I guess I really loved his vision of Gotham city more than the Nolanverse Chicago. I might be wrong, but wasn't Gotham inspired from Chicago? I remember reading that once. it was. the modern Gotham City was inspired by parts of the 5 boroughs of New York, parts of Chicago, parts of Detroit, and parts of Miami.
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Post by coliv1977 on May 8, 2009 17:11:02 GMT -5
I prefer Nolan's films. They portray Batman closer to the comics[not killing, like Keaton did, for example] And are much better, story wise, IMO. the Nolan movies actually dont come close to portraying Batman as he is in the comics. not one thing in either of the 2 movies actually occured in the comics. not one. I might be wrong, but wasn't Gotham inspired from Chicago? I remember reading that once. it was. the modern Gotham City was inspired by parts of the 5 boroughs of New York, parts of Chicago, parts of Detroit, and parts of Miami. Miami?? My hometown inspired Batman?? Cool!!!
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Post by All Star Batman on May 8, 2009 22:45:56 GMT -5
the Nolan movies actually dont come close to portraying Batman as he is in the comics. not one thing in either of the 2 movies actually occured in the comics. not one. There is a reference to Year One in Batman Begins with Batman calling his bats to disrupt the cops so he can make his escape. Look, I think things done in the films are meant to reference things in the comics, not actually be close to them.
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Post by jlavaia on May 9, 2009 1:36:03 GMT -5
^ Year One is an Elseworlds story. i was talking about in the regular in-continuity books. and i know what you're saying. its impossible to translate text into film exactly. it has yet to be done and probaly never will. these films get made to make money. thats the sole reason. they're not based on the comics. the only stuff that is the same is the names of some of the characters. nothing else is depicted in those movies as it does in the comics.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 9, 2009 13:58:20 GMT -5
^ Year One is an Elseworlds story. i was talking about in the regular in-continuity books. Year One is accepted into continuity. It's not Elseworlds.
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Post by BruceBatman on May 9, 2009 20:23:56 GMT -5
Nolan's films are totally better than Burton's for sure! Without a question. I mean Batman from 89 was ok, and Batman Returns was lower in quality, but Nolan's Batman Begins was excellent, and with The Dark Knight, he did even better, he just knows Batman better! Tim Burton did and ok job, he just had no flavor, Nolan did everything right. Don't get me wrong, Burton's films were great, I love them and they deserve their spot in Batman history, but simply stated, NOLAN'S FILMS ARE BETTER!!!!
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Post by jlavaia on May 10, 2009 9:45:58 GMT -5
^ Year One is an Elseworlds story. i was talking about in the regular in-continuity books. Year One is accepted into continuity. It's not Elseworlds. we've had this discussion before. parts of the story may be accepted, but not one thing that occured with Catwoman is in continuity. and of coarse there's the writer and creator of the story, Frank Miller, clearly stating on multiple occasions that Year One is a part of his Batman world, and that its the Year One of the Batman from TDKR. that makes it a part of Earth-31, not New Earth. when the writer himself says its not in continuity that should tell you its not in continuity. you can think of it as being canon, you can want it to be canon, unfortunately though, its not canon.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 10, 2009 17:44:19 GMT -5
Year One is accepted into continuity. It's not Elseworlds. we've had this discussion before. parts of the story may be accepted, but not one thing that occured with Catwoman is in continuity. and of coarse there's the writer and creator of the story, Frank Miller, clearly stating on multiple occasions that Year One is a part of his Batman world, and that its the Year One of the Batman from TDKR. that makes it a part of Earth-31, not New Earth. when the writer himself says its not in continuity that should tell you its not in continuity. you can think of it as being canon, you can want it to be canon, unfortunately though, its not canon. While the story is a part of the DKU, it also accepted by DC into the New Earth continuity.
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Post by jlavaia on May 10, 2009 18:49:39 GMT -5
Catwoman: Year One shows that Batman: Year One is not in continuity.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 10, 2009 21:01:56 GMT -5
Catwoman: Year One shows that Batman: Year One is not in continuity.
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Post by jlavaia on May 11, 2009 1:12:38 GMT -5
^ i hate to be the one to break this to you, but Wikipedia is not a great source of info for continuity related things, especially since you didnt post how many times that article was flagged due to errors. a story cannot be a part of 2 seperate realities. its not possible. simple physics tells us that the same matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time. its not possible for New Earth Batman and Earth-31 Batman to be the same character. the creator himself stated where the story takes place. regardless of anything else that is said, the creator of the story is the one who would know the most about it and where it takes place. at this present time, Year One takes place on Earth-31. nothing has been revealed in the comics yet that have changed that. if anything, Zero Hour moves it further out of continuity due to the age change that was made to Batman.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 11, 2009 5:14:08 GMT -5
^ i hate to be the one to break this to you, but Wikipedia is not a great source of info for continuity related things, especially since you didnt post how many times that article was flagged due to errors. a story cannot be a part of 2 seperate realities. its not possible. simple physics tells us that the same matter cannot occupy the same space at the same time. its not possible for New Earth Batman and Earth-31 Batman to be the same character. the creator himself stated where the story takes place. regardless of anything else that is said, the creator of the story is the one who would know the most about it and where it takes place. at this present time, Year One takes place on Earth-31. nothing has been revealed in the comics yet that have changed that. if anything, Zero Hour moves it further out of continuity due to the age change that was made to Batman. I did not say once that the New Earth Batman and Earth-31 Batman are the same. I was pointing out how the story has been referenced in and has been inspirations for other stories that do take place in regular continuity. Lots of LOTDK stories take place during Year One, The Long Halloween was inspired by it, and Miller was the first guy to come up with the corrupt cop angle in Gotham, bringing more of a reason for why Gotham needs Batman, and that has stuck ever since along with how Batman and Gordon's relationship was done and I don't believe Gordon's wife and son were ever seen before Year One, and they have appeared in other in-continuity stories besides Year One. Not to mention the story was done before the DKU concept was even conceieved.
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Post by jlavaia on May 11, 2009 9:56:02 GMT -5
TDKR was released before Year One. Miller has said that when he did Year One he was using "his" Batman in the story. so he did have it planned out that way. and lots of things from The Kingdom and Kingdom Come have become a part of New Earth continuity, but that doesnt make those stories canon. they are still Elseworlds stories that take place on a seperate Earth. parts of Year One may have also occured with the New Earth Batman, but the actual 4 issue arc itself, Year One, is not in continuity. and those LOTDK stories take place during the first year of Batman's career, not during the actual Year One story. also 1/3 of LOTDK arcs are not a part of continuity.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 11, 2009 15:48:54 GMT -5
TDKR was released before Year One. Miller has said that when he did Year One he was using "his" Batman in the story. so he did have it planned out that way. and lots of things from The Kingdom and Kingdom Come have become a part of New Earth continuity, but that doesnt make those stories canon. they are still Elseworlds stories that take place on a seperate Earth. parts of Year One may have also occured with the New Earth Batman, but the actual 4 issue arc itself, Year One, is not in continuity. and those LOTDK stories take place during the first year of Batman's career, not during the actual Year One story. also 1/3 of LOTDK arcs are not a part of continuity. The Kingdom and Kingdom Come don't count because they were always Elseworld. Year One was DC's way to revitalize Batman's origin post-crisis. Many elements of the story have stuck and have inspired others for the New Earth continuity.
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Post by Eric on May 11, 2009 20:53:06 GMT -5
Well, to get this back on topic.
I prefer Burtons Batman movies over Nolans. Im more of a fan of the fantasy than the realism. I like the worlds Burton created for the Batman characters in his 2 movies, like the atmopshere, the costumes, the score, the designs, everything. I fond Nolans Batman world to be too boring. I dont find the characters entertaining.
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Shadow
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Post by Shadow on May 19, 2009 8:39:17 GMT -5
I dont find the characters entertaining. Surely that's not the case for The Joker?
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Post by Eric on May 19, 2009 9:57:24 GMT -5
I dont find the characters entertaining. Surely that's not the case for The Joker? Nolans version of the Joker is the only character that I did find entertaining, but only to a certain degree.
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