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Post by All Star Batman on Apr 22, 2009 18:14:59 GMT -5
www.newsarama.com/comics/090422-battle-for-the-cowl-poll.htmlWe all already know by the end of Batman: Battle for the Cowl a new hero will assume the mantle of the Dark Knight, and now two-thirds of the way through the story, barring any majors surprises, readers are getting a pretty good idea of who the hero might be.
But for how long should the new Batman get to answer to the Bat-Signal? Should he just keepthe cowl warm for Bruce Wayne for a short time? Or are you ready for a new Caped Crusader for good long run ... or perhaps even longer?
Take part in our poll and let us know about how long you think the new Bats should take up residence in the Bat-cave, and then stick around and discuss your reasoning with your fellow Bat-fans... I think at least two years is fair enough for Dick.
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Post by jlavaia on Apr 22, 2009 18:41:58 GMT -5
i vote for an option not in the poll. i say Bruce returns today. right now. this moment. no one else should be Batman. Bruce is still in his prime, he's not injured.
and All-Star, i have to disagree with you, there is no way DC can afford to have Bruce MIA for 2 years without risking a sharp decline in sales. even 1 year is going to be stretching it.
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Post by jokermatt on Apr 22, 2009 19:29:56 GMT -5
next week.
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Post by All Star Batman on Apr 22, 2009 19:57:50 GMT -5
i vote for an option not in the poll. i say Bruce returns today. right now. this moment. no one else should be Batman. Bruce is still in his prime, he's not injured. and All-Star, i have to disagree with you, there is no way DC can afford to have Bruce MIA for 2 years without risking a sharp decline in sales. even 1 year is going to be stretching it. I don't think it will have a huge decline. Unlike Knightfall, I think DC has an idea of what they're doing this time. This new Batman won't be like AzBats which means it won't be Jason, so we can rest assure that Dick will be a good Batman. Now I agree, that Bruce is what makes Batman Batman, not the cape and cowl, but won't it be interesting to see Dick try to live up to his mentor and try to be the best Batman he can be? As far as everyone in the DCU knows, they think Bruce is dead, and without a Batman, Gotham is in chaos. That's why Dick has to do it. He may think this will be his life now, but imagine the Batfamiliy's surprise when they find out Bruce is indeed alive. We need to think about this though. This is Grant Morrison's story. He "killed" the Dark Knight. And with him writing Batman & Robin and saying he plans on two more volumes in his 5 volume story, by the end of that, Bruce should return. But until Bruce does return, there's still Batman Confidential.
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Post by Batlaw on Apr 22, 2009 21:06:53 GMT -5
I say immediately since the whole thing has been done sooo poorly in my opinion.
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Post by kilowog52 on Apr 22, 2009 22:59:43 GMT -5
I voted 'at least two years' because I don't see much point in 'killing' a character off unless they stay 'dead' for a while. I think it was incredibly stupid to bring back Aquaman so soon after he died. Look at Hal Jordan and Barry Allen. They both died quite a while before they came back, and that just makes their comebacks more glorious.
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Post by jlavaia on Apr 23, 2009 0:33:25 GMT -5
^ Bruce isnt actually dead though. those other characters that you named actually did die.
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Post by havedunter74 on Apr 23, 2009 4:21:20 GMT -5
Bruce Wayne should never have been "killed off" as it were. Referencing the comment about Knightfall, i thought it was an excellebt series and showed how Gotham is without Bruce behind the mask. Let's hope Bruce is back soon because no doubt the new "Batman and Robin" will make too many mistakes so bruce will return to sort out the mess.
Come back Bruce!!!!
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Post by jlavaia on Apr 23, 2009 9:38:18 GMT -5
^ i agree. i loved Knightfall, and even parts of KnightsQuest were very good. KnightsEnd was a solid story as well.
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Post by batman1973 on Apr 23, 2009 16:21:35 GMT -5
i vote for an option not in the poll. i say Bruce returns today. right now. this moment. no one else should be Batman. Bruce is still in his prime, he's not injured. and All-Star, i have to disagree with you, there is no way DC can afford to have Bruce MIA for 2 years without risking a sharp decline in sales. even 1 year is going to be stretching it. I agree. Bruce Wayne is the Batman. Dick will do good to honor the cowl, better than Jean-Paul, but there can never be another Batman no matter how bad Dido and Morrison want one.
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Post by All Star Batman on Apr 23, 2009 20:04:12 GMT -5
i vote for an option not in the poll. i say Bruce returns today. right now. this moment. no one else should be Batman. Bruce is still in his prime, he's not injured. and All-Star, i have to disagree with you, there is no way DC can afford to have Bruce MIA for 2 years without risking a sharp decline in sales. even 1 year is going to be stretching it. I agree. Bruce Wayne is the Batman. Dick will do good to honor the cowl, better than Jean-Paul, but there can never be another Batman no matter how bad Dido and Morrison want one. If they wanted a new Batman bad enough they really would've killed Bruce. It's not like he's never coming back.
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Post by svengali1337 on Apr 24, 2009 16:13:38 GMT -5
As much as i want bruce back right now, i like that there doing something different, and im sure there will be a bunch of great storys branched off the hole bruce wayne dead thing. But to answer the question i would want him back this year.
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Post by batman1973 on Apr 26, 2009 17:52:44 GMT -5
I agree. Bruce Wayne is the Batman. Dick will do good to honor the cowl, better than Jean-Paul, but there can never be another Batman no matter how bad Dido and Morrison want one. If they wanted a new Batman bad enough they really would've killed Bruce. It's not like he's never coming back. It was my understanding that Morrison wanted to kill Bruce, but fan reaction was too negative, so he had Bruce "Omega Sanctioned" somewhere in time. My point is though, Morrison should not have been allowed to write for Batman. This is however, just my opinion. You seem to have a better grasp on the comics than I.
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Post by havedunter74 on Apr 27, 2009 4:09:53 GMT -5
Morrison is good at doing Graphic novels but he should never have been let loose on continuity projects regarding Batman. I dont like all the weird stuff he does, Batman is a detective so I'd like to see Batman doing detective work rather thean some sort of weird drug induced story-line
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Post by batsy68 on Apr 27, 2009 12:02:46 GMT -5
i vote for an option not in the poll. i say Bruce returns today. right now. this moment. no one else should be Batman. Bruce is still in his prime, he's not injured. and All-Star, i have to disagree with you, there is no way DC can afford to have Bruce MIA for 2 years without risking a sharp decline in sales. even 1 year is going to be stretching it. I don't think it will have a huge decline. Unlike Knightfall, I think DC has an idea of what they're doing this time. This new Batman won't be like AzBats which means it won't be Jason, so we can rest assure that Dick will be a good Batman. Now I agree, that Bruce is what makes Batman Batman, not the cape and cowl, but won't it be interesting to see Dick try to live up to his mentor and try to be the best Batman he can be? As far as everyone in the DCU knows, they think Bruce is dead, and without a Batman, Gotham is in chaos. That's why Dick has to do it. He may think this will be his life now, but imagine the Batfamiliy's surprise when they find out Bruce is indeed alive. We need to think about this though. This is Grant Morrison's story. He "killed" the Dark Knight. And with him writing Batman & Robin and saying he plans on two more volumes in his 5 volume story, by the end of that, Bruce should return. But until Bruce does return, there's still Batman Confidential. I have really been thinking of never picking up a Batman comic again. I have,like most of you, been a fan all my life. There is only one Batman, Bruce Wayne, end of story. I was also a massive fan of Spiderman. Along came the clone saga and I vowed never to read another spidey story again, and I haven't.In these times of recession, it would give me a few quid extra a month. Batman was doing fine till Morrison came along.For me, he is for Batman comics what Joel Schumacher is for the movies.
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Post by BruceBatman on Apr 27, 2009 14:37:52 GMT -5
I think he should return as soon as possible!!!!!!!!! I mean come on guys, this is batman we're talking about, and Bruce Wayne is the only good Batman. The other characters should just go and be heroes of their own and leave Batman's mantle alone! That's why I voted no later than after Blackest Night, cause we need someone to throw the public off from seeing the coincidence of Batman and Bruce Wayne being gone at the same time, so we need and imposter for a little while, then leave his mantle alone and wait till Bruce Wayne is back.
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Post by Shadow on May 19, 2009 8:43:03 GMT -5
I think he should return as soon as possible!!!!!!!!! I mean come on guys, this is batman we're talking about, and Bruce Wayne is the only good Batman.. Indeed. Bruce Wayne is Batman. Simple as that.
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Post by kilowog52 on May 19, 2009 10:18:20 GMT -5
I've been thinking, what if when Bruce Wayne returns he does not resume being Batman, but instead wishes for whoever wins Battle for the cowl to continue as Batman.
Also if Dick wins the Battle for the cowl, he would no longer be Nightwing, but instead be Batman. I think they would do this because isn't there a character going by Nightwing in the Superman comics now. There is also a Flamebird, so Bette Kane would have to take new identity as well.
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Post by supermanisbetter on Jul 4, 2009 3:20:36 GMT -5
it seems like each week I'm missing Bruce less and less.
Don't get me wrong I know Bruce is the one true Batman, but I love what Dick is doing and it can only get better from here, I don't want to see it end either.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 4, 2009 17:14:39 GMT -5
it seems like each week I'm missing Bruce less and less. Don't get me wrong I know Bruce is the one true Batman, but I love what Dick is doing and it can only get better from here, I don't want to see it end either. Sometimes it makes me wish Dick would stay as Batman. Never know though, Bruce may be coming back but maybe he'll pass the torch onto Dick.
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Post by svengali1337 on Jul 4, 2009 19:58:06 GMT -5
Honestly in batman and robin "reborn", i really dont like dick as batman, he is always contradicting himself, he doesnt seem very professional, and half the story is him whinnying and sitting around thinking, the hole "i never wanted to be batman" thing,
i like daimans view on the matter a little more, even though he isnt the best sidekick or detective. I recall dick complaining about things and he said something like "if you dont want to do it, then step aside grason, i was born to do this job" or something like that. He has more of the additude that i would want batman to have, when dick is still acting like a robin
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Post by zx16 on Aug 24, 2009 0:26:29 GMT -5
I am a young fan and new to the comics but once a heard that bruce was dead I vowed not to pick up a copy of it. Batman without Bruce is like living without oxygen. The only good thing that comes from this is that we get to see Bruce and Damian team up maybe.
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 24, 2009 12:13:28 GMT -5
I am a young fan and new to the comics but once a heard that bruce was dead I vowed not to pick up a copy of it. Batman without Bruce is like living without oxygen. The only good thing that comes from this is that we get to see Bruce and Damian team up maybe. He's not dead, Darkseid sent him back in time. He'll be back.
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Post by zx16 on Aug 24, 2009 15:22:56 GMT -5
I am a young fan and new to the comics but once a heard that bruce was dead I vowed not to pick up a copy of it. Batman without Bruce is like living without oxygen. The only good thing that comes from this is that we get to see Bruce and Damian team up maybe. He's not dead, Darkseid sent him back in time. He'll be back. Oh thanks that makes things much better.
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Post by harleyquinn84 on Aug 24, 2009 21:12:34 GMT -5
Bruce needs to come back after Blackest Night. But he wont be back until Dick Grayson learns his lesson i.e. why Bruce told him not to put on the suit or take up the mattle of the Batman.
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 24, 2009 21:50:43 GMT -5
Bruce needs to come back after Blackest Night. But he wont be back until Dick Grayson learns his lesson i.e. why Bruce told him not to put on the suit or take up the mattle of the Batman. I doubt he'll be back right after Blackest Night. They'll find out he's still alive somewhere, but he probably won't be back until after DC's big 2010 event. And what do you mean Dick has to "learn his lesson"? Is the hate for Dick Grayson as Batman really that high here?
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Post by batman1973 on Aug 24, 2009 22:22:12 GMT -5
It's not that the hate is high, its the piss poor way in which Grant forced the changes on the readers. Be reasonable for a second. For the last 70 years, the only Batman in regular continuity has been Bruce Wayne. The punk way in which he "died" and the subsequent passing of the mantle without Bruce's consent has made a lot of fans angry. Truth is ASB, you're one of the few who like the change. It isn't that Dick isn't capable as the Batman, but the bottom line is: He's not Batman. He's the guardian of the mantle until Bruce's return.
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Post by harleyquinn84 on Aug 24, 2009 23:08:31 GMT -5
Bruce needs to come back after Blackest Night. But he wont be back until Dick Grayson learns his lesson i.e. why Bruce told him not to put on the suit or take up the mattle of the Batman. I doubt he'll be back right after Blackest Night. They'll find out he's still alive somewhere, but he probably won't be back until after DC's big 2010 event. And what do you mean Dick has to "learn his lesson"? Is the hate for Dick Grayson as Batman really that high here? I don't like Grayson as Batman but it's not a hate thing. In Battle for the Cowl # 3 Dick mentions Bruce telling him in his video message to him that he does not want Dick to become batman. I think that is important. Something is going to come of that and once it does Bruce will come back. Thats what I mean by learn his lesson. I mean nothing cross by it.
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Post by harleyquinn84 on Aug 24, 2009 23:10:39 GMT -5
It's not that the hate is high, its the piss poor way in which Grant forced the changes on the readers. Be reasonable for a second. For the last 70 years, the only Batman in regular continuity has been Bruce Wayne. The punk way in which he "died" and the subsequent passing of the mantle without Bruce's consent has made a lot of fans angry. Truth is ASB, you're one of the few who like the change. It isn't that Dick isn't capable as the Batman, but the bottom line is: He's not Batman. He's the guardian of the mantle until Bruce's return. Right on!!!!!! I'm with you all the way.
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Post by jlavaia on Aug 25, 2009 1:31:45 GMT -5
Bruce needs to come back after Blackest Night. But he wont be back until Dick Grayson learns his lesson i.e. why Bruce told him not to put on the suit or take up the mattle of the Batman. I doubt he'll be back right after Blackest Night. They'll find out he's still alive somewhere, but he probably won't be back until after DC's big 2010 event. And what do you mean Dick has to "learn his lesson"? Is the hate for Dick Grayson as Batman really that high here? The Search For Batman will be a fairly large event and it should be beginning right after Blackest Night. basically every deceased hero and most deceased villains have become or will become Black Lanterns. the other heroes see this and know this. when they see that Bruce isnt a Black Lantern, i'm sure someone will realize, hey Batman really isnt dead and the search will begin. if it doesnt occur than it will showcase DC once again dropping the ball and screwing with their own continuity again.
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