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Post by hyperlative on May 26, 2009 22:24:03 GMT -5
Just tossing this out: Chinese Guy ("Let's just say I'm good with calculation.") as The Calculator (I mainly know him from Id Crisis) and The Riddler in a PI type role both being hired by new crime boss (Black Mask?) in order to stop Batman's now unsanctioned war on crime. So much chaos that Gotham calls for The Dark Knight's return.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 26, 2009 23:01:14 GMT -5
Just tossing this out: Chinese Guy ("Let's just say I'm good with calculation.") as The Calculator (I mainly know him from Id Crisis) and The Riddler in a PI type role both being hired by new crime boss (Black Mask?) in order to stop Batman's now unsanctioned war on crime. So much chaos that Gotham calls for The Dark Knight's return. Lao is dead. He was on top of the pile of money Joker burned.
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Post by hyperlative on May 27, 2009 1:47:54 GMT -5
darn...missed that. 'course I didn't even remember his name
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Post by dragonfly on May 27, 2009 9:43:48 GMT -5
I think Penguin would work great in the 3rd installment....The Nolan style penguin could be just a short, stubby mob boss that everyone calls The Penguin....Of course, he would still have to wear a tuxedo and sport an umbrella! Johnny Depp as the Riddler would be interesting. I would love to see Clayface or Killer Croc but I think they would call out for too much eye candy for Nolan....and Clayface would be compared to Sandman too much!!!
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Post by elchurroking703 on May 27, 2009 11:22:54 GMT -5
I think Hush and Catwoman should premiere and bring back Two Face in the next movie because of the direction the second movie took in the ending. Since Batman is now considered a "criminal and losing two people, he is put to the challenge to how he will have to stand as Gotham's Dark Knight. Referring back to his losses, losing Rachel that will be a problem for Bruce in his role as the cape crusader. In this version, Rachel was "the love his life", so when one loses their first love, a new one appears. Catwoman comes along. Since Batman must cope with even more losses, that's where Hush comes along. Nightmares of the past return to haunt him. Everyone knows Hush's story so it's perfectly suited: an old friend who turns into his greates foe seeking revenge. (the usual) Anywho I hope y'all know what I'm talking about. lol I think that would be awesome. Oh and forgot! For Joker?? I think with Hush in the picture, Joker could not be in part 3 for Hush drove the Joker out of town (just like in the comics) for a good long while. But Hush is just as crazy as the Joker, in his own way, but between Hush and Batman, things are a lot more personal. I hope part 3 is even more intense than Dark Knight. I wonder what the title would be! I'm glad they didn't stick to the usual title like Batman Begins, then Batman Begins part 2, or something general like that lol. SO UNIQUE!! XD BATMAN FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by elchurroking703 on May 27, 2009 11:28:57 GMT -5
Just tossing this out: Chinese Guy ("Let's just say I'm good with calculation.") as The Calculator (I mainly know him from Id Crisis) and The Riddler in a PI type role both being hired by new crime boss (Black Mask?) in order to stop Batman's now unsanctioned war on crime. So much chaos that Gotham calls for The Dark Knight's return. AHAHAH!!! XD LMAO. The Calculator, that was hilarious!!! XD Good idea tho but hysterical!
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Post by elchurroking703 on May 27, 2009 11:59:00 GMT -5
I think Robin being in the 3rd movie would be cool as well. Not too fond of him (Nightwing I prefer) but I would like to see how they would pull of his costume, since Batman's came out so freaking awesome!
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Post by All Star Batman on May 27, 2009 12:06:26 GMT -5
I think Robin being in the 3rd movie would be cool as well. Not too fond of him (Nightwing I prefer) but I would like to see how they would pull of his costume, since Batman's came out so freaking awesome! It's still too soon for Robin. Maybe in 4, but now now.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on May 27, 2009 14:52:17 GMT -5
Hush Riddler, I like your idea but I think it would be better if you didn't try to have so many villains. Having less characters gives you room to flesh them out. I think having Black Mask, Riddler, and Catwoman would be overkill. Two out of three of those would be fine.
As far as henchman go, I'd go with some real B list villain like Blockbuster or someone else like that that only the most hardcore fans have ever heard of.
In response to elchurroking, there is no way that Nolan is going to bring Two Face back. He played out his part, but there is no room for him to come back. While it is somewhat of a requirement that Bruce have a romance, I could see the third omitting this because of Rachel's death. That would have to affect the way he thinks. I could see a big part of Bruce's struggle being isolation. His actions have brought pain to those he cares for. I think we will see a darker, lonelier bat this time around.
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Post by All Star Batman on May 27, 2009 20:06:38 GMT -5
Hush Riddler, I like your idea but I think it would be better if you didn't try to have so many villains. Having less characters gives you room to flesh them out. I think having Black Mask, Riddler, and Catwoman would be overkill. Two out of three of those would be fine. As far as henchman go, I'd go with some real B list villain like Blockbuster or someone else like that that only the most hardcore fans have ever heard of. In response to elchurroking, there is no way that Nolan is going to bring Two Face back. He played out his part, but there is no room for him to come back. While it is somewhat of a requirement that Bruce have a romance, I could see the third omitting this because of Rachel's death. That would have to affect the way he thinks. I could see a big part of Bruce's struggle being isolation. His actions have brought pain to those he cares for. I think we will see a darker, lonelier bat this time around. Maybe they could introduce Vicki Vale who's doing a piece on Bruce Wayne and she becomes interested in him, but Bruce is pushing her away because of what happened to Rachel and he's not ready to move on yet.
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Post by Hush Riddler on May 27, 2009 20:52:54 GMT -5
Dark Knightwing, long time no see bud! At any rate. I wasn't suggesting playing Black Mask as a super villain, I'm saying he should have as big a part as the other mob bosses did during "The Dark Knight", just instead of a bunch, there would be only one: Black Mask. And since most of the mobs leaders are dead, Black Mask would naturally take the reigns. Lets just say Black Mask would become the new Carmine Falcone. And again, in comparison to "TDK", the mob hires the Riddler: although instead of wanting to kill Batman, they hire Riddler to find out his identity. And Catwoman would NOT be a villain. She'd be more of an anti-hero. Like Harvey Dent, but in a costume. Or Catwoman could not come in at all: since Bruce needs a love interest, why not bring in Vicki Vale? I'm saying either/or for either one.
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Post by doppelganger on May 27, 2009 23:01:25 GMT -5
Yikes! There is allot of speculation!
Personally, I really like All-Star Batman and Dark Nightwing's ideas. I hate the idea of bringing in Robin! Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan both stated they want to leave Robin out!
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Post by Hush Riddler on May 28, 2009 14:36:54 GMT -5
Yeah. Robin or any other partner would ruin it.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 1, 2009 9:19:28 GMT -5
Dark Knightwing, long time no see bud! At any rate. I wasn't suggesting playing Black Mask as a super villain, I'm saying he should have as big a part as the other mob bosses did during "The Dark Knight", just instead of a bunch, there would be only one: Black Mask. And since most of the mobs leaders are dead, Black Mask would naturally take the reigns. Lets just say Black Mask would become the new Carmine Falcone. And again, in comparison to "TDK", the mob hires the Riddler: although instead of wanting to kill Batman, they hire Riddler to find out his identity. And Catwoman would NOT be a villain. She'd be more of an anti-hero. Like Harvey Dent, but in a costume. Or Catwoman could not come in at all: since Bruce needs a love interest, why not bring in Vicki Vale? I'm saying either/or for either one. Good to see you again! I get what you're saying, but it sounds a bit too much like TDK. The Riddler has already been compared to the Joker a lot. Creating an easy link between them wouldn't really help the matter. As far as the Riddler goes, I always liked the bit about him being a business rival the way he was in Batman Forever. Rarely is Bruce's business in jeopardy, but if anyone could do it, it's the Riddler. Of course, Riddler and Black Mask could be business partners. I like the idea that Nygma accomplishes a lot of his underhanded action guised as the Riddler. I can see Catwoman not being a villain, but I think it would work much better if she were just Selina until she kills Black Mask. It shows a kind of descent into becoming a more villainous type. While this was done to an extent with Harvey, it could be played up far more. What do you think about these ideas?
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Post by Hush Riddler on Jun 1, 2009 22:29:16 GMT -5
I LOVE the idea of Selina Kyle staying Selina Kyle UNTIL she hits rock bottom, kills Black Mask, and becomes Catwoman in the process. And I think Black Mask should be Bruce's business rival (put the mob idea to rest for one movie). Perhaps he would stay Roman Sionis, but wear the mask when conducting underhanded business.
I do like your idea of BM hiring Riddler as a business partner to undermine Wayne Enterprises... but instead of being business partners, I think Riddler should function against Batman/Bruce Wayne in more of a third person standpoint... kind of as a hacker. I wonder how Nolan might incorporate Riddler as a villain famous for extravagant death traps.
I like your ideas though, although I would not want to see Riddler acting as a criminal business partner.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 1, 2009 23:08:42 GMT -5
I LOVE the idea of Selina Kyle staying Selina Kyle UNTIL she hits rock bottom, kills Black Mask, and becomes Catwoman in the process. And I think Black Mask should be Bruce's business rival (put the mob idea to rest for one movie). Perhaps he would stay Roman Sionis, but wear the mask when conducting underhanded business. I do like your idea of BM hiring Riddler as a business partner to undermine Wayne Enterprises... but instead of being business partners, I think Riddler should function against Batman/Bruce Wayne in more of a third person standpoint... kind of as a hacker. I wonder how Nolan might incorporate Riddler as a villain famous for extravagant death traps. I like your ideas though, although I would not want to see Riddler acting as a criminal business partner. Maybe they could have Riddler's deathtraps like Jigsaw's.
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Post by twistedlaugh on Jun 1, 2009 23:15:27 GMT -5
The idea of Selina staying Selina until she hits rock bottom is brilliant! But I don't like the idea of Riddler being a business partner. To close to Schumacher's version for my taste.
Come to think of it, who would you guys cast for Riddler, Catwoman and Black Mask?
Don't know who I would cast for Black Mask, but I would cast David Tennant for Riddler and Eva Green for Catwoman. What do you guys think?
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 2, 2009 11:12:49 GMT -5
The Saw movies have kind of ruined Death Traps. Now anytime there is a death trap, it will inevitably compared to Saw.
Since my idea for The Riddler didn't quite go over too well, let me try a different route. The Riddler is an obsessed person. He has done everything he can to erase his past and conceal his identity. All throughout the movie, it should be left ambigious who the Riddler is. He is his own most difficult riddle. He knows most everything there is to know and he lets you know it too. I think whenever he is fighting, he is observant enough to dodge Batman's attacks (kind of like Clock King in BTAS). He is intelligent, obsessive, patient, unsympathetic, and uncompromising. When he wants something, he will get it. He knows about most everyone in Gotham, though they don't know him. He views citizens as ants and himself as their god. He is able to gain access to any computer he wishes, including the militaries. He kills only when he feels it necessary, yet doesn't flinch or even seem to care when he does kill. He is also quite paranoid, which only fuels his quest for more knowledge. This is my Riddler.
I'll have to think more about Black Mask. Whatever is his overriding motivation is has to go completely against Selina's. Otherwise there isn't any character development.
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 2, 2009 16:30:20 GMT -5
Come to think of it, who would you guys cast for Riddler, Catwoman and Black Mask?
I would cast Angelina Jolie as Catwoman
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Post by Batlaw on Jun 2, 2009 16:57:08 GMT -5
All I know is I really really like the idea of Ben Foster for Riddler. www.imdb.com/name/nm0004936/Perfect IMO especially for an unhinged obsessed psycho.
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Post by coliv1977 on Jun 2, 2009 17:14:23 GMT -5
All I know is I really really like the idea of Ben Foster for Riddler. www.imdb.com/name/nm0004936/Perfect IMO especially for an unhinged obsessed psycho. I think what Batlaw says is important. Which Riddler would Nolan want? The psycho Carrey/Gorshin Riddler or the cooler, sophisticated genius Riddler from B:TAS?
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Post by Hush Riddler on Jun 16, 2009 7:38:59 GMT -5
I loooove Dark Nightwing's idea for the Riddler. That's how I pictured him. One thing you left out that I thought of (a very minor detail) is that the Riddler needs to be older than Bruce. Not 50, but not 25-30. As far as casting goes, Kate Beckinsale for Catwoman. As for Black Mask, I have two people in mind. I could see Bruce Willis pulling it off, or if you want him to be a giant powerhouse, I say Michael Clark Duncan before he's cast in a Spiderman movie and taken by Marvel. I would love love love to see Joaquin Phoenix as the Riddler. Only if he stops whatever stunt he's pulling right now. Aside from that, he's one of my all time favorite actors.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 16, 2009 8:19:35 GMT -5
Thanks man! Why do you think Riddler needs to be older than Bruce? I don't think it is necessarily a bad addition, but I don't see what that adds to the overall story and characters. I think that if a good actor is older than Bruce, yet still able to pull off the part, then they should play them.
There were a few more things I wanted to add to Riddler. He shaves his entire body, head to toe, so that no one can tell who he is. He wears a mask that covers up most every part of his face except the eyes. He wouldn't be Edward Nygma, but someone else prevalent in the movie. There could be a number of red herrings throughout, possibly Edward Nashton as well.
I think Black Mask is at his greatest when he is trying to seize power. His character could possibly be trying to string together everyone that used to work for the Joker or the mob. Perhaps if someone asks why he wears the mask, he says something like "I don't think this town will listen to anyone that isn't freak." I'm still having trouble identifying what would lead Selina to kill him in the end. I thought of a fun idea though. What if it wasn't the real Black Mask underneath? That would be crazy!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 17, 2009 15:04:53 GMT -5
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Post by darambler20 on Jun 17, 2009 20:45:55 GMT -5
I hope Nolan at least does one more to complete his trilogy. Then let someone else take it. He left TDK open and it would be a shame for him to not complete his vision.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jun 17, 2009 21:42:50 GMT -5
I hope Nolan at least does one more to complete his trilogy. Then let someone else take it. He left TDK open and it would be a shame for him to not complete his vision. Yeah, Batman needs Nolan and Bale. At least finish one more. It just depresses me that it will take until 2012/13.
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Post by jef1963 on Jun 19, 2009 6:44:16 GMT -5
I AM NOT A TWILIGHT FAN! That being said I like the Riddler ideas from above. Especially using the Riddler as a hacker- never really fighting Batman. Now I think Robert Pattinson from what I've seen would be good in that kind of role.
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Post by jackhammermfzb on Jun 19, 2009 18:20:11 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] I never thought Bane was that great tbh, so I'm not too fussed if he doesn't appear(i wont mind if he does because the Nolan's/Goyer know how to write a good movie) But i don't really feel Bane would create much wow factor on screen, being just a strong guy.[/glow] I think Bane Would Be The Greatest Batman Character To Appear In The Movie. Ever Since The Arkym Asylum Game Came Out, Bane Looks The Most "Dark".. just Imagine The Action Scenes.. :]
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Post by darambler20 on Jun 19, 2009 19:08:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] I never thought Bane was that great tbh, so I'm not too fussed if he doesn't appear(i wont mind if he does because the Nolan's/Goyer know how to write a good movie) But i don't really feel Bane would create much wow factor on screen, being just a strong guy.[/glow] I think Bane Would Be The Greatest Batman Character To Appear In The Movie. Ever Since The Arkym Asylum Game Came Out, Bane Looks The Most "Dark".. just Imagine The Action Scenes.. :] and imagine all the cgi they would have to do to make him look like that. I guess they could go the route as Batman Forever and make him out of a rubber suit so he looks like one of the early ninja turtles.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jun 19, 2009 19:58:01 GMT -5
and imagine all the cgi they would have to do to make him look like that. I guess they could go the route as Batman Forever and make him out of a rubber suit so he looks like one of the early ninja turtles. Bane wasn't made out of a rubber suit. If you are talking about his clothes, then maybe I see what you are trying to say. They painted green on to the guy's skin. He was quite muscular. I'm pretty sure he died around the time the movie came out. Kind of sad really.
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