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Post by dhunter333 on Nov 17, 2006 18:28:38 GMT -5
let me tell you, in Batman Begins the first 2 or 3 times i saw this film i really DIDNT like the batmobile in the previews for the movie i thought it looked stupid during the movie, he drove on rooftops. that is WAY too much i dont care what anyone says...i think it hurt the movie
was anyone annoyed when batman drove on top of police cars that were no blockading, ones he simply could've drove around? at least 1 police car, the first, he drove over for no reason (didnt kill the cops, i remember seeing it from their point of view in the car) no wonder the cops dont like him...
does anyone think the batmobile should...or at least could look a LITTLE different in the next movie maybe they can add some fins, and give it a lil more of a batman look the batmobile batman used in the comics in the early 90's (think knightfall) cant seem to find a picture of it, googled for a little and gave up =( the batmobile used in the early 90's has a similiar look to the one in begins, with less tankish, and more fins i dunno...
what do you guys think?
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Post by Batlaw on Nov 17, 2006 19:39:20 GMT -5
No youre not alone sir. I too have been one of the few to not think it or what it did in the film was truly "all that". Even most the initial naysayers all but completely changed their opnions of it once they "saw it inaction". Although I'm not completely disgusted or totally despise the car, I'm still not it's biggest fan, and dont quite see what exactly was SO great about it? I too hope for at least some alterations to it in the sequal but I'll be ok if not.
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Post by Blackgate on Nov 17, 2006 21:11:15 GMT -5
I was fine with the batmobile, but i would like to see some changes go into it. i doubt some big fins will be added to it, WB wants to stay far away from the Joel mishap and the batmobile is most likely included in it. I think something along the lines of The Batman season 1 batmobile, still ruff but more comicy
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Post by Batlaw on Nov 17, 2006 21:29:03 GMT -5
Just some personal modifications. More specifically suited for HIS needs... with perhaps some "Bat touch ups / elements" as his "symbol" and polularity has grown. I dunno exactly? The Tumbler just seemed so unfinished / incomplete to me as it was.
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Post by All Star Batman on Nov 17, 2006 21:47:25 GMT -5
Just some personal modifications. More specifically suited for HIS needs... with perhaps some "Bat touch ups / elements" as his "symbol" and polularity has grown. I dunno exactly? The Tumbler just seemed so unfinished / incomplete to me as it was. How about a Bat-tering ram with the symbol in the front? Not too big, but not too small.
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Post by Kid L on Nov 17, 2006 21:49:09 GMT -5
It took a while to grow on me, but now I love the design. That's not to say it couldn't be better though. I'd mainly like to see it more streamlined. It makes sense to me that the one in Begins is basically a vehicle still in it's prototype stage, so it'd be cool to see a more developed (aka: BATMANized) version.
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Post by Batlaw on Nov 17, 2006 21:56:19 GMT -5
Im not thinking of anything too gimicky... just some personalizing... ya know "Pimp my Batmobile" ;D
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Post by The Dark Knight on Nov 17, 2006 23:40:06 GMT -5
I hated it at first. It wasnt sleek, it wasnt stylish, but when I saw it in action it blew my mind. It conceived 5 of the greatest minutes in the movie. I personally thought the chase was great. The design grew onto me and I'm glad they went with a 'tumbler' instead of a batmobile. Works better, IMO.
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Post by HUSH on Nov 18, 2006 0:34:32 GMT -5
As far as why he smashed the police cars in Begins by driving over them, it was likely a) to make an impression, to show that he will take on the police if they get in his way and b) to prevent as many cars as possible from following him, since he was trying to get back to the cave very urgently and quickly, and needed to evade them. I think the design fits into the "world" of Nolan's Batfilms just fine, and in reality, Batman would get into situations where he would just need to smash through with a powerful vehicle. Regardless, I believe Nolan has said or remarked in an interview or something that he will use the same BM in movie 2, which is understandable since it is supposed to occur very soon after Begins, I believe, and since he apparently put a lot of effort into creating it/them.
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Post by Severen on Nov 18, 2006 1:40:44 GMT -5
I really liked the Tumbler, in context of the movie (which is where it counts) I thought it worked damn well personally.
Keaton's Batmobile (which I love) looked like something a more seasoned and confident Batman would have, someone who was comfortable and confident in his skin and his surroundings, whereas the Tumbler was more a vehicle for someone trying to make a distinct impression, and who didn't know yet what kind of situations they'd be in or exactly what they might be facing, therefore it had enough brute strength to be able to back whatever was necessary.
And just like Batman himself, I think the batmobiles should gradually evolve from film to film, as a reflection of the man that drives them.
Sev.
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Post by MuksC on Nov 18, 2006 11:32:38 GMT -5
i was fine with the Timbler both before and after seeing it, i just wish we could have seen it driving in the original camo colours, on his way from Wayne Enterprises to the cave.
i don't mind him making changes to the technology in the car concerning the weapons, but i think the "look" of it is ok as it is, and don't want him to add wings or anything silly to it.
the Burton Batmobile would have been useless if he had to drive on grass or up or down a hill, this one is the "real deal".
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Post by coliv1977 on Nov 18, 2006 12:09:54 GMT -5
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I just never found an appropriate thread to talk about it. I HATED the way the Batmobile in Begins looked.
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Post by dhunter333 on Nov 18, 2006 15:09:15 GMT -5
its also pretty damned unrealistic that NO ONE ELSE in wayne enterprises recognizes the vehicle... i'm sure that lucious didnt build it ALONE he probobly had a staff and a team of engineers/mechanics there were 2 tumblers, one in army colors, one in black remember, "Does it come in black?"
he took it from them and used it as batman someone should be like i konw that vehicle i made it!!! and then be like who would have wayne's vehicles
maybe wayne?
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Post by The Dark Knight on Nov 18, 2006 20:51:46 GMT -5
its also pretty damned unrealistic that NO ONE ELSE in wayne enterprises recognizes the vehicle... i'm sure that lucious didnt build it ALONE he probobly had a staff and a team of engineers/mechanics there were 2 tumblers, one in army colors, one in black remember, "Does it come in black?" he took it from them and used it as batman someone should be like i konw that vehicle i made it!!! and then be like who would have wayne's vehicles maybe wayne? Very true. Someone should have known, but perhaps the only one came in military camoflauge and he actually painted it black, high doubtful but just a thought. But if he hadn't gotten it from Fox, then there would be no batmobile. The thought of Bruce being able to build his own in a matter of days is way out of line, so it was right to have used one already made.
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Post by MuksC on Nov 19, 2006 9:33:57 GMT -5
i don't think there were 2 tumblers (i may be wrong, but never is it implicitly, or explicitly revealed that there are 2), i think either Bruce told Fox to paint it black, or painted it himself, like he painted the suit and gauntlets.
the "does it come in black?" line was just a joke line, but hinting at what he was gonna do with it.
and although Fox said "2 of these would jump over a river towing cables", it doesn't mean they actually made 2 of them, they would build 1 first and see if the technology worked, then build more if they wanted to once they were happy with the concept.
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Post by dhunter333 on Nov 19, 2006 10:10:46 GMT -5
ur right it doesnt say he had 2 of them, i must have been thinking of the 2 of these would jump over speach anyway even though bruce painted it black...like its not recognizable i guess that adds to luciuos' implied knowing who bruce is still would tend to imply lots of ppl know =)
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Post by Blackgate on Nov 19, 2006 10:53:29 GMT -5
Thats true but when you think about it, that could apply to a lot of things throughout all of Batman, which is why it's a fictional story. But something that has to be remembered is that all of those gadgets are from a forgotten section of Wayne Enterprises. The batmobile was also hard to see on the News program, so maybe no one recognized it.
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Post by Severen on Nov 20, 2006 9:14:21 GMT -5
Add to which, even if someone remembered the technology being used, in this case the Tumbler, two things very much apply in my mind: 1) Industrial espionage in very much common place in high tech fields such as these, so the plans may have been leaked or stolen, especially after the project was benched and ostensibly written off, and 2) Batman is a vigilante working outside the law, and as such one might think that it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he would make use of such illegally appropriated material, or that he might even have broken in to appropriate it for himself during his search for cutting edge tech to use to further his own causes. And in Gotham if you were after new and advanced tech to appropriate where would you go first? Wayne Enterprises of course.
So I don't think the connection to Bruce Wayne is that glaringly obvious, or even the natural answer that most would come to, even if they did see a link as far as something like The Tumbler goes.
Sev.
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Post by Batlaw on Nov 20, 2006 9:45:01 GMT -5
I think the Tumbler is only one piece of the puzzle anyone in Gotham would need to piece together Bruce's secret. In Begins I dont see how anyone with half a brain and a desire to know couldnt figure it out.
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Post by MuksC on Nov 20, 2006 11:47:09 GMT -5
yeah Bruce's return to Gotham was big in the news, and at roughly the same time "Batman" appears, using stuff "stolen" from Wayne Enterprises, so it could be all linked together if anyone thought about it for a few minutes.
even jokingly someone might suggest it might be Bruce Wayne, as a throwaway comment if they knew the tumbler was from Wayne Enterprises, but if someone heard that and thought about it, it could make sense to them that it actually was Bruce.
that's why Alfred's suggestion of taking up polo and making a more public display of his social life would (hopefully) put those people off the scent.
although they might click that this social life was just a decoy/cover-up.
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