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Post by Eric on Jul 22, 2006 22:19:01 GMT -5
If Batman and Robin didnt destroy the Batman movie machine nothing will. I really hope im surprised with the sequel. As i said, i personally just dont care for Ledger as an actor and i hope im impressed with what he does with the role.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 22, 2006 22:54:41 GMT -5
Ive been giving this some thought and i really cant get excited over the casting choice. I personally dont think Ledger is a good actor, he was the one thing i didnt like about The Patriot. I cant really envision him as the Joker, but im not sure we're going to get a traditional looking Joker from Nolan. Im one of the few who wasnt really wowed over by Begins, i found it a bit dull, as i find all of Nolans movies. I find it hard to get too excited for the sequel because of Nolans obsession with "realism" and this bit of casting news doesnt help. [shadow=green,left,300] Wow you too, I have to say I agree with you ShadowBat. I wasn't really wowed over Begins too, I personally like the original and Forever better. Now before you all start calling me crazy that's just my opinion. Begins was great but not something that wowed me, and I will just have to see how Heath does Joker. [/shadow] I disagree with you guys. You are both entitled to your opinion, I just want to share mine. I did like the original three. However, I love the new franchise. Admittedly, the first time I watched, I wasn't wowed by the fight scenes. Yet, the more times I watch, the more I enjoy it. This is how Batman should be. I think the realism is now a really neat effect. Just think of the ways that classic character can become reinvigorated.
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Post by Severen on Jul 23, 2006 4:10:26 GMT -5
I hope to God that this rumour proves false, or that he turns down the role. The guy is an adequate actor at best, and usually less than than, with all the screen presence of a wet fish. And I've seen both his Australian films and his international works.
As for trusting Nolan, I do, mostly, but he cast Katie Holmes too, and she was awful in the first film. If they are going to make a similar casting mistake in the next one then I don't want it to be for The Joker. After all if the screw up the casting of The Joker, but make a pretty good film regardless in all other ways, then we'll likely not see The Joker again. Ledger does not give me hope, plus he's a complete tool, so getting him back for sequels, even if he got the role right, would be difficult at best methinks.
We'll see...
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Post by darkclaw on Jul 23, 2006 12:40:06 GMT -5
I have to agree with Severen on the Ledger casting. I too have seen his previous roles and he lacks any real acting abilities. Unless Nolan sends him for extensive acting lessons, this version of the Joker will be stiff as a board and lack any homicidal tendencies! I'll watch Batman & Robin 10 times to any Ledger movie anyday!
Hey here's an idea, lets get a NEW villain in there. I mean really come on, we've already see Joker. Why not Black Mask, Ventriloquist, or even Bane (a real version, not Ivy's lackey).
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Post by wayneson on Jul 23, 2006 12:41:06 GMT -5
Fine by me, he's British[ Hate to correct you WS but he's actually one of my lot,an Aussie.I like his work for the most part but playing the Joker?I really can't see it and i've been trying to as we all have said before we cannot see certain Actors in different roles. You are totally right, FB. I had a brain cramp there when I said Ledger was British; I actually knew he was Australian, as I remember reading that around the release of "A Knight's Tale." The only reason I mentioned Heath's nationality was because Nolan has had such great success working with Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Gary Oldham, etc. Anyway, the discussion in this thread is fascinating - there certainly are a wide range of viewpoints among members regarding this casting. As some of you have written, we may have to adjust our expectations with regard to how the Joker will be portrayed. There is no reason to think that Nolan and Goyer et. al. will abandon their realistic vision of the Batman world, so we may not see the green hair, red lips, purple suits and spats that dominate our personal conceptions of the character. With that in mind, I think that what we will see is Nolan's vision of the character, as I firmly believe that Ledger can fully disappear into this role.
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Post by HUSH on Jul 23, 2006 21:34:49 GMT -5
Interesting...I was surprised when I read this; I haven't seen any films with Ledger in them, but I wouldn't have ever expected him to be cast. Anyway, having no knowledge of the actor, I'm still going to give him the benefit of the doubt, seeing as how Nolan chose him. It's pretty much a guarantee that Nolan wouldn't cast him unless he was convinced he could pull this off, and after Begins, there's no reason not to trust Nolan's judgement. As for the Katie Holmes casting choice, she was cast for a "love interest" character who was never in the comics. It could have been anyone(could have been better, too, but that's not the point). Point is, Joker is infinitely more important, and I'm sure that Nolan's decision reflects that, whether we see it now or not.
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Post by Faithfulbutler on Jul 24, 2006 0:50:57 GMT -5
There are many and varied views on this casting and that's cool,we all have our individual tastes.I've thought a lot about this and i agree with the statement to trust Mr Nolan on his casting choices.I was really happy with the casting first go around,yeah a lot of us didn't appreciate the Rachel character but let's face the facts it was a love interest role and we probably wouldn't have cared much whoever it was.But as for all major character choices and the script style i really cannot find a thing to complain about. I kind of feel with the style of writing that we'll see a Joker more like the Killing Joke version which i think will be great.Have faith,don't speculate too much and let's just prepare for the ride.I'm sure it'll be a doozy!
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Post by Severen on Jul 24, 2006 3:27:02 GMT -5
I didn't have a problem with the character of Rachel at all, I had a problem with the fact that Katie Holmes is such a talent vacuum that I doubt she could even play Katie Holmes convincingly in a movie about her own life. Seriously, some of her "acting" in Begins was just cringeworthy in my opinion.
As for Ledger if he's got the role then I would like nothing more than to be proven utterly wrong, and if I was then I'd be happy as Hell, but right now, can't see it, don't like it, don't expect that to happen. We'll see though.
Sev.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jul 24, 2006 17:09:31 GMT -5
So since it now seems true, I expect Nolan will still bring us a magnificent film with whomever he roles in. I've never seen an pyschotic version of Ledger which made me quite skeptical at first, but trusting in Nolan's work Im sure it'd turn out alright.
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Post by Violator on Jul 25, 2006 16:50:05 GMT -5
oh well if this rumor is true, there goes the franchise! Thats a bit much, don't you think? I can completely understand, with ANY new casting for a beloved character, but its a little early to be calling the entire franchise a travesty! My very public opinion about the previous Batman films is that they were anything but close to sufficient. Jack Nicholson is an amazing actor..as is Michael Keaton...I love Burton's OTHER films...I enjoy DeVito, Michelle Pfeiffer..etc.....but the movies themselves were so far from the core of what Batman is, at least to me, that I can't even watch them. Batman Begins...NOLAN's choices in Batman Begins were ground breaking, IMO. He chose actors that you and I perhaps would not have seen in a role, because he's a visionary...this is his job. I seriously doubt he took the job of casting the Joker lightly..and I doubt that he would have cast an actor not fully dedicated to his vision of what the Joker will be. I would like to personally welcome Heath to the Batman Universe with open arms. He plays a variety of roles quite well, and as long as he's serious about his portrayl of the Joker...I'm all behind giving it a very fair chance. Good points. I wasnt thrilled when I first heard Christian Bale would be Batman in Begins(I remembered him as the racist from the Shaft remake), but now I feel that No one could have possibly made a better Batman. With the expert casting of Batman, as well as Caine as Alfred and Oldman as Gordon, I gotta say that I trust that Nolan will not let me down.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jul 25, 2006 17:08:38 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] I must admit he is looking more and more like a Joker Everytime I see him ecspecially that pic above! Man I can just him pulling a Gun out on a couple of Gotham Cops Or Rachel Dawes for that matter!lol [/glow]
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jul 25, 2006 17:10:56 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Actually thinking back to begins a lot of the stuff in it was British!Desighners and actors why was that!Just proberly the people who Nolan wanted or trusted proberly! [/glow]
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Post by IamI on Jul 26, 2006 4:52:45 GMT -5
I wonder how much of the Joker's origin will be revisited in the sequel. Will it be a complete retelling or will Nolan get straight to the action, much like a porn flick.
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 26, 2006 14:34:21 GMT -5
I THink Heath Ledger would be a pretty good joker depending on how the charecter is like in the movie. If they portray him as more mentaly unstable, crazy, and a little more dark, instead of the comedic type that jack nicholson played i think he could do a pretty good job.
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 26, 2006 14:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 26, 2006 14:44:31 GMT -5
If you went to the above link you would have read "We wont see him until the middle of the film like Batman in Batman Begins." that means that we may get a big origin story about The Joker. Because the first half at Batman Begins was Batman Origin.
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Post by rockzero on Jul 26, 2006 14:53:53 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Heath Ledger fan, and initially when I heard this I pretty much put my face in my hands and sighed.
However, to be fair, I thought that Topher Grace could never, ever pull off Eddie Brock for Spider-man 3, and yet everything I have seen on him so far is superb...
So, I will reserve judgement until I see more. But for now I'm kind of "meh" about it.
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Post by masurao89 on Jul 26, 2006 14:54:01 GMT -5
That would be awsome. I hope they stick with The Killing Joke origin.
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Post by Violator on Jul 26, 2006 20:48:33 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] I must admit he is looking more and more like a Joker Everytime I see him ecspecially that pic above! Man I can just him pulling a Gun out on a couple of Gotham Cops Or Rachel Dawes for that matter!lol [/glow] Thats an interesting idea about Rachel. In Begins, Nolan and company did a good job taking parts of older Batman stories and re-working them just enough so that they would be fresh and original without alienating the the long-time Bat-fans. If they used part of the Killing Joke in the sequel they could use Rachel (I heard she wouldnt be in the sequel, but can anyone confrim that) in place of Barbara. However, if the Joker killed off Katie Holmes' character, I think we'd all side with the Joker.
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 26, 2006 23:34:33 GMT -5
Although we would all side with the Joker, thats a good idea. We'd get rid of the charecter and it would give Batman a personal grudge against the joker, instead of him just being a dangerous villain
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Post by HUSH on Jul 27, 2006 1:02:03 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Actually thinking back to begins a lot of the stuff in it was British!Desighners and actors why was that!Just proberly the people who Nolan wanted or trusted proberly! [/glow] Well, being British himself, I'm sure Nolan knows, or knows of, more people involved in all aspects of moviemaking from the UK than anywhere else.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 27, 2006 16:18:43 GMT -5
well Im willing to give him a chance personbally and Im a BIG Joker mark. what worries me is the statement that the Joker will be nothing like Jacks.....because that was a great Joker and he nailed the muderous aspect of the character perfectly.I also hope Nolan doesnt go for that crap hacked up look that was circulating in another thread-because thats just rubbish. Nolan seems to be going for a lot of Worldwide casting doesnt he?Irish,British- now Australian-its all good
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jul 27, 2006 16:26:51 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Hey Fc long time no see! What hacked up look are you talking about? ? ?[/glow]
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 27, 2006 17:14:46 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Hey Fc long time no see! What hacked up look are you talking about? ? ?[/glow] Hows it goin chief? there was a picture of some concept art or something posted in another BB thread here-some thought it was great others thought it was ridiculous-it should still be here I think you seen it though man
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Post by Zabuza on Jul 27, 2006 19:45:11 GMT -5
at first i was laughing, but for all the wrong reasons. now, after pondering on the matter, he might actually be really good as the Joker (however, the ultimate Joker for me is still Nicholson). i hope Rachel gets shot. in the face.
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Post by crazyhatter on Jul 29, 2006 20:48:16 GMT -5
The rumor now on Batman-On-Film is Ryan Phillppe may be in the running for DA Harvey Dent which I can actually see happening more then Heath as the Joker.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jul 29, 2006 21:51:21 GMT -5
Ryan Phillipe? IMO, he looks or is too young for the role. I want someone a bit older, perhaps middle-aged or slightly younger than Gordon.
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 29, 2006 22:18:10 GMT -5
The rumor now on Batman-On-Film is Ryan Phillppe may be in the running for DA Harvey Dent which I can actually see happening more then Heath as the Joker. i don't think ryan is old enough, he needs to look like he is the same age as bruce. otherwise it wouldnt be beliveable that they are friends. thats why i still like the idea of josh lucas.
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Post by crazyhatter on Jul 29, 2006 23:11:45 GMT -5
The rumor now on Batman-On-Film is Ryan Phillppe may be in the running for DA Harvey Dent which I can actually see happening more then Heath as the Joker. i don't think ryan is old enough, he needs to look like he is the same age as bruce. otherwise it wouldnt be beliveable that they are friends. thats why i still like the idea of josh lucas. He is actually starting to show his age now. Maybe his kids caused that. Anyway I think he has the acting range needed for Harvey Dent and Two-Face IMO.
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Post by darkclaw on Jul 31, 2006 12:09:35 GMT -5
BOF has reported that Ledger is not a lock for the Joker role (thank the maker someone is listening) Here's an excerpt from their post "As you have long suspected, the two main villains in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel will be The Joker and The Penquin. I can confirm (as I did a few weeks ago) that while an offer has been made to Heath Ledger, Ledger has not signed any deal, and is reluctant to do so (at the moment.) Ledger is not a lock. It seems Nolan has been listening to you guys when it comes to casting his other villain, however. I can confirm that an offer has been made to Phillip Seymour Hoffman for the role. Yet Hoffman has indicated that he may not get involved in the sequel. Also, industry reaction to the Ledger 'leak' has been much like the fans: A fair bit of head scratching, and a generally tepid response. "
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