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Post by Dark Nightwing on Aug 6, 2006 1:20:17 GMT -5
But the Joker and the Gotham city of the 1st Tim Burton flick is more reminiscent of the BTAS version than anything I've seen - and that's not a compliment. Goofy, full of gimmicks (punch glove in the TV, hand buzzers... thats baby-ish). I just felt I was watching a bad Batman the Animated Serie episode (Christmas with the Joker or The Creeper anybody ?) I like The Batman version way better. And besides, the 1989 Batman doesn't even feel like a Tim Burton movie. At least that would ve been special... No... but in the end, we got Batman Returns wich - to me is as good as Batman Begins. Lemme predict something here - we'll never ever see another Catwoman as good as we got in Batman Return. Michelle Pfeiffer nailed it - she's the quintessential Catwoman. BTAS came out AFTER Batman '89. If anything, BTAS would be reminiscent of the movie. Not the other way around. The episodes that you listed, I can give you Christmas with the Joker. It wasn't that bad of an episode, but it wasn't one of the best. However, the Creeper episode was awesome. Everything went full circle for Joker. In a sense, the Joker created his own Joker. I personally haven't seen a Joker episode on BTAS that I didn't like. How could you say the movie didn't feel like Tim Burton? That is all I see and hear when I watch. It has the weird architecture common of Burton. It has the "in your face" music of Danny Elfman. It has Michael Keaton (Tim Burton's #2 man, right behind Johnny Depp). When you look at Burton's films, they just about all have those same components. I do agree with you on Catwoman. I can't see the character getting any better, but I've been wrong before. I thought Danny DeVito did an excellent job, especially with the direction that was taken. I don't think Batman Returns is nearly as good as Batman Begins, but I really don't have any reason why. I guess it is just my individual taste.
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Post by ocre on Aug 6, 2006 10:09:18 GMT -5
I have the whole serie on DVD - and I know that both Tim Buton movies came out before the Animated serie... but, in a very personnal way - I think that 50% of the episodes are crap. There is some that are very good (Two Face Part 1 and 2, Fear of Victory, Dreams of Darness, Feet of Clay 1 & 2, On Leather Wings, The Laughing Fish, Pretty Poison, Robin's Reckoning 1 & 2, etc...) but I'd say - to me the other half is pure crap. I've got Batman in my Basement, Forgotten, Underdwellers, Cat Scratch Fever, Be A Clown, Tyger, tyger). Besides, they totally missed characters like the Riddler and brought some loopy ones (Baby Doll, the Toy Maker in the Gray Ghost, the medieval episodes with black magic and summoning ) I like The Batman way better.
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Post by crazyhatter on Aug 6, 2006 16:52:29 GMT -5
I have the whole serie on DVD - and I know that both Tim Buton movies came out before the Animated serie... but, in a very personnal way - I think that 50% of the episodes are crap. There is some that are very good (Two Face Part 1 and 2, Fear of Victory, Dreams of Darness, Feet of Clay 1 & 2, On Leather Wings, The Laughing Fish, Pretty Poison, Robin's Reckoning 1 & 2, etc...) but I'd say - to me the other half is pure crap. I've got Batman in my Basement, Forgotten, Underdwellers, Cat Scratch Fever, Be A Clown, Tyger, tyger). Besides, they totally missed characters like the Riddler and brought some loopy ones (Baby Doll, the Toy Maker in the Gray Ghost, the medieval episodes with black magic and summoning ) I like The Batman way better. You are entitled to your opinion but I respectfully disagree. I like The Batman but B:TAS is by far the best interpretation of Batman out there, bar none.
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Post by J-Man on Aug 6, 2006 17:01:24 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Before we get into another TB vs BTAS debate, let's remember that we are here to discuss/ debate Heath Ledger's role as the Joker in The Dark Knight.
As for my take on past interpretations... I enjoyed Jack Nicholson's portrayal of the Joker far more than any other big screen supervillain to date. The character fit the tone of the movie and, at that time, the tone of the comic books. While he wasn't a full-on psychopath, he also wasn't a full-on goofball. Nicholson's portrayal brought a decent median to the character, when compared to some other portrayals.
My hopes for The Dark Knight's Joker are these: He has to frightening. I think back to late last year when Matt mentioned Ted Levine as a possible casting choice. Levine played Buffalo Bill in the Silence of the Lambs, and what I liked about that idea was the type of character which would most likely be produced: A deeply disturbing villain with a very dark humor to him. Heath has to be this and more. The Joker also has to be faithful to the comics, i.e. no wacky origin gimmicks such as a cut up face, like JokerFC stated. While he doesn't exactly have to be the subject of a chemical bath, he should be pale, wide-grinned and green-haired. Hopefully, if the Nolan brothers remain faithful to the comics, this will be the best Batman film, and best Joker, to date. [/shadow]
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Post by ocre on Aug 6, 2006 22:08:21 GMT -5
Agreed ! That being said - I'm just pretty confident as far as Heath is concerned. Laid back and confident - I know I won't be disapointed.
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Post by Krell on Aug 10, 2006 3:44:36 GMT -5
It´s true that some actors are better than others, but let´s face the fact that even the best ones can´t save a movie that is bad directed. I personally loved Nicholson as Joker and i´m sure he did all (and probably more) what Burton asked. And what comes to Nolan, I trust him blindly after Batman Begins. So whoever plays the Joker, I believe that a successful appearance requires only the guidance of Nolan. I apologize my english, i haven´t practiced it for long time
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 12, 2006 3:29:18 GMT -5
Welcome to Legions of Gotham, Krell. I think the same could be said in my opinion. I trust Nolan blindly, & I don't think anything will go wrong with The Dark Knight. With filming starting in a few months the news should be picking up soon. & I also believe that B:TAS is the best interpretation of the Batman to date apart from Begins. Although I didn't like many of the later episodes in the origional series, I still like it more than The Batman, even though TB is great too. But once again I'm off topic.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 12, 2006 5:44:05 GMT -5
I also believe that B:TAS is the best interpretation of the Batman to date apart from Begins. Although I didn't like many of the later episodes in the origional series, I still like it more than The Batman, even though TB is great too. But once again I'm off topic. damn straight man,B:TAS is the King and MOTP is one of the top 3 Bat Movies IMO with the best Joker performance around
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Post by arkhaminmate on Aug 13, 2006 0:27:16 GMT -5
Ditto! MOTP is my 2nd favorite Bat film. I think you can probably guess what #1 is ;D Anyways, Chris Roven was talking about Ledger in an interview. He says he is very confident in Chris, Nolan is as well too. He says he confidetly believes Heathe will bring the dark & disturbing Joker the fans will love.
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Post by RJ on Aug 13, 2006 10:47:31 GMT -5
He says he confidetly believes Heathe will bring the dark & disturbing Joker the fans will love. I'm being optimistic about this, until proven otherwise.
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 12, 2006 10:33:08 GMT -5
Boy, Heath sure sound "devoted" and enthused dont he?
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Post by Mr. Terrific on Sept 13, 2006 15:30:58 GMT -5
Apparently, Heath hates comic book films. Read here.
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 13, 2006 16:33:05 GMT -5
For those that may not have picked up on it... I was being sarcastic lol
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 13, 2006 16:36:49 GMT -5
Lets please be careful and not quote / post profanity folks! thanks
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Post by ??Gothic Riddler?? on Sept 29, 2006 18:40:31 GMT -5
Mark Hamill is The Joker to me along with Kevin Micheal Richardson.. Jack Nicholson i enjoy but looking back we was just being Jack in white make up Heath Ledger was not my first choice(that went to Christopher Eccleston DR WHO!!!) I wish Heath luck as a fellow Aussie and hope he does a good job.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Sept 29, 2006 21:05:30 GMT -5
Apparently, Heath hates comic book films. Read here.Well, Im not sure he has to be a comic book fan to be a good Joker, but I think it would help, and of course Nolan''s genius would make for smooth sailing IMO
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Post by ??The Riddler?? on Sept 29, 2006 21:13:08 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300] I read about that too, that's what has been bothering me lately. I think it' would have helped if he liked comic book movies, I think he may do well as Joker though. [/shadow]
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Post by Blackgate on Sept 29, 2006 21:20:57 GMT -5
I think it may be good that he hates comic book movies. If you look at most comic book movies, they can sometimes be cheesey and have bad acting. So if he hates those types of movies, he'll be sure to not to make one of those.
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Post by enchantaurora on Oct 2, 2006 17:22:33 GMT -5
I'm still... iffy about this one. The more I keep looking at Ledger the more I see it, but I'm not so sure that he can do it. I wouldn't say that he's bad actor at all, I've ssen several movies he's been in but... I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Hush Riddler on Oct 2, 2006 21:14:48 GMT -5
I KNOW Jack Nicolson is not a comic book movie fan, but he still made for a fantasic Joker. If I were to give any advice to Heath Ledger, it would be to watch certain (not all of the) Batman: The Animated Series Joker episodes, especially ones like "Joker's Wild", "Joker's Favor", "Harleyquinade", "Mad Love" and "Joker's Millions". Those were some of my favorite Joker episodes... We don't want him studying Jack Nicolson's Joker because then we would have an exact copy of the original Batman movie and it would be BOOOOOOOORING to watch the same Joker... Heath Ledger would be fine overall I guess... But I'm very choicy when it comes to villainous actors.
Riddler
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