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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 19, 2005 22:38:25 GMT -5
**SPOILER THREAD**
I don't believe this has been done yet. I make this thread with the intent that we bat fans can state things we noticed in Batman Begins that were inspired by the comics or other media. There are several things in the film that could be compared to the comics. Several poses or scenes. Let's also use this thread to speculate on things that tempted our curiosity. I hope that this will catch on and turn out to be a good idea.
Let me start with comparisons--
--riot in streets similar to DKR
--Device used to attract bats such as used in Year One
--"I'm Batman" line seems a nod to Batman the Movie
Speculation
--Did anyone notice the little boy saved by Bats seemed important? Others have wondered if he could be a future Dick Grayson. After watching it again i was wondering along these lines but i felt that it could of been Jason Todd. Notice he says that he can't find his mother?
--At one point when Bruce acted drunk he calls his guests "two faced friends".
--Also notice that Gotham is lacking a District Attorney by the end? (rachel is assisstant D.A.)
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Post by TheKingpun on Jun 19, 2005 23:01:02 GMT -5
I noticed a thing or two. During the opera, there was a shot of one of the performers that really seemed very (cough) cat like. Also when Batman did his flyover of the riot scene and the onlookers saw a fear induced version of him, it really reminded me of good ole Manbat. Anyway, Ra's seemed to rely heavily on the orginal animated series to me. His dialogue pacing seemed very reminicent of the animated episodes. Also I believe the microwave emitter (or something similar) was used in the first episode with Talia and the league of shadows, where Ra's made a brief appearance. Also the humor really seemed to be in line with the animated series' style of jokes. They were subtle one-liners rather than flat out gags, such as say "penguins with frickin rockets attached to their backs".
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 19, 2005 23:48:48 GMT -5
Thank you Kingpun...For some reason what you just said reminded me of two comparisons that i've tried to remember but just..couldn't. I award you a "hero" just for reminding me.
1. During the party scene the "fake" ra's that the woman introduced bruce to was wearing a green cloak. One that was similar to the one warn by Ra's in B:TAS and some of the comics.
2. During the opera scene the "bat" performers wore masks that were cat like, as kingpun has stated. BUT they are also similar to the bat mask Lady Shiva first wore.
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Post by Batlaw on Jun 20, 2005 0:16:12 GMT -5
Although there were a handful of scenes and or images that were undeniably inspired by comics, there were not nearly enough IMO. That was one of the most dissapointing aspects of the film for me. So many great opotunities for "Easter eggs" and Fan-candy big and small unused?
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 20, 2005 0:39:32 GMT -5
Very true. But i think it held more "easter eggs" than other comic book movies.
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Post by wayneson on Jun 20, 2005 13:09:54 GMT -5
When Bale said "I'm Batman" to Falcone the place went nuts. I immediately thought of it as a nod to the 1989 Tim Burton film, and, in a way, the longtime Batman fans. ;D When I saw the performers in the opera I thought they were very bat-like, as opposed to cat-like. The performers were dangling from ropes, as if to simulate flight, and seemed to have some type of wing-like elements as part of their costumes. I thought that's why Bruce was scared and wanted to leave the theatre, because the performers reminded him of bats. Wasn't "Der Fliedermaus" ("The Bat") an opera?
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Jun 22, 2005 13:28:45 GMT -5
The Scarecrow's "leave a message" quote is straight out of Loeb/Sale's first Batman work, a Hallowe'en special featuring the Scarecrow.
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Post by Dr. Crane on Jun 22, 2005 13:32:56 GMT -5
The Scarecrow's "leave a message" quote is straight out of Loeb/Sale's first Batman work, a Hallowe'en special featuring the Scarecrow. yes it was. I saw many things in the film that reminded me of things from the Loeb/Sale collection..
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 22, 2005 13:55:04 GMT -5
That would make perfect sense seeing as how they got a lot of inspiration from those stories. Ya know..that's the one loeb/sale graphic novel i don't have. Wasn't it called Haunted Knight? I need to get that.
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Post by Disgruntled Gremlin on Jun 22, 2005 14:02:40 GMT -5
Haunted Knight is a collection of all three Loeb/Sale Hallowe'en stories, but you can usually find the individual issues for MUCH cheaper on their own (I've never read the collection, so I can't comment on special features). All three specials feature a Jack 'O Lantern with some sort of Bat-insignia incorporated into them. The first one, 'Choices' (although it's simply called Legends of the Dark Knight Hallowe'en Special #1 on the cover), is the Scarecrow story. The second, 'Madness' is a Mad Hatter story, and the third, 'Ghosts' features appearances from the the Penguin, the Joker and Poison Ivy. Pick 'em up!
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jun 24, 2005 18:24:19 GMT -5
I think you guys are going a little too far with the opera thing. The demon-like costumes are part of the real opera, which was Boito's Mefistophle, a play about Faust and the demon Mefistophle. A story between man and demon that is a bit similar to the story of Bruce and Ducard/Ra's. Anyways: - Starting out with Wayne in prison is similar idea taken from the script for the pilot of the television show Bruce Wayne, which never got off the ground. For more info, go to www.kryptonsite.com/brucewayne- Thomas Wayne liking the opera is possibly influenced from Jeph Loeb’s Hush where Bruce Wayne mentions that his father liked the opera, especially how it always ended in tragedy. Richard Earle, a villain who wants to take over Wayne Enterprises, is much like Charles Palantine, a villain with the same aspiration from the television show Bruce Wayne. - Having young Bruce Wayne and young Gordon meet after the death of the Waynes was an idea originally expressed in Sam Hamm's first draft of B89. - Ra’s Al Ghul’s temple for training the League of Assassins/Shadows is in the Himalayas, which is the same base where the finale of Daughter of the Demon (the first comic that Ra's appeared in) took place. - Ra’s Al Ghul using a decoy Ra’s (specifically Ubu in the comics) to fool Bruce Wayne was also used in Daughter of the Demon. - Joe Chill has been the killer of Bruce Wayne’s parents since Batman #47 in 1948. Bruce Wayne wanting to shoot him down with a gun is from Batman: Year Two. The idea of Joe Chill being killed first by the mob before Batman could do anything is from Detective Comics #235. - Judging from Falcone's "begged like a dog" line, I really don't think we'll see a flashback of Thomas Wayne saving Carmine's life in the future movies. - Bruce being inspired to use the bat image by seeing the bats in the cave is possibly based off a similar scene from Tom Mankiewicz’s The Batman script (check it out online). - The Scarecrow using toys to spread his fear toxin is from Dark Victory. - Batman using a line to interrogate a criminal upside down is from Dark Victory (he uses it on the Riddler). - The Scarecrow going under Arkham Asylum to poison the water reservoir with his fear toxin is from BTAS “Dreams in Darkness.” - The use of bats for “backup” as well as using explosive to blow holes into walls are from Batman: Year One. - In Detective Comics 46, Batman and Robin stopped Hugo Strange from unleashing his fear gas via water reservoir and railroad train (although not specifically the monorail). It also has an ending in which it's ambiguous whether the villain lives or dies. - The Scarecrow on a horse is an image from Jeph Loeb’s The Long Halloween. - My idea on the Narrows Kid is that he's really....just a kid. If I HAD to choose which Robin he was, I'd go for Jason Todd. Jason himself lived in the slums (Batman caught him trying to steal from the Batmobile in the ghetto). Plus the whole "I'm looking for my mother" thing is a possible reference.
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Post by MANBAT on Jun 24, 2005 18:43:30 GMT -5
There was a nod to Loeb, aka Commissioner Loeb, I thought that the blue and gray flower at the begining may be homage to the traditional blue and gray outfit.
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