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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Jun 23, 2005 21:17:10 GMT -5
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Post by HUSH on Jun 23, 2005 21:47:01 GMT -5
Jeezus. I certainly hope Robin never enters this franchise now.
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Post by BullocK on Jun 24, 2005 0:02:40 GMT -5
[shadow=red,left,300]Frankie Muniz has Robin? Uhh..I don't think so. Let's keep a sidekick as far away from this franchise as possible.[/shadow]
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Post by Arkham16 on Jun 24, 2005 0:18:59 GMT -5
Anyways he said it's not gonna be for a few pictures from now so by the time they introduce him (if they do) then frankie muniz will be too old. I HATE frankie muniz. HATE HIM!!!.. WB plz make robin the right way ten years from now.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 24, 2005 7:32:50 GMT -5
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Post by TheKingpun on Jun 24, 2005 12:54:25 GMT -5
Frankie Muniz as Robin would have been about as good a decision as Arnold Schwarzeneggar as Mr. Freeze. If I were to cast Robin, I would get a complete unknown (at least to the main stream audience). Are they sure Chris Nolan said that? Pretty much the entire Begins cast was perfect and not motivated by who's a box office draw. I really can't picture why they would even consider Frankie Muniz. My suggestion would be to clone Christian Bale, age him to about 15 or 16, and tell him to lighten up. There's your perfect Robin.
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Post by azrael24 on Jun 24, 2005 13:16:30 GMT -5
they should introduce huntress or cassandra cain batgirl and never introduce robin. or at least not for 5 more films. and i hate muniz too.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 24, 2005 14:07:29 GMT -5
the Cassandra Cain character could work in the movies no doubt-buts bas and robin would be more difficult
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Post by BaTfReAk25 on Jun 24, 2005 15:12:51 GMT -5
who do u think can b a great robin?
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Post by Batrez on Jun 24, 2005 15:53:50 GMT -5
I think if u read his interview..it will take like 4 batman movies or 5 till robin comes on broad
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Post by ThatBlockoGuy on Jun 24, 2005 18:06:28 GMT -5
What got me thinking wasn't the fact that we'd actually see him as Robin, it was more that his name was actually brought up.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jun 25, 2005 12:00:38 GMT -5
Not that Frankie is a great actor, but atleast they are getting it right by mentioning they want a young kid to play Robin and not a 30 year old actor like Chris O'Donnel in Batman Forever & Batman & Robin.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 25, 2005 18:23:17 GMT -5
Not that Frankie is a great actor, but atleast they are getting it right by mentioning they want a young kid to play Robin and not a 30 year old actor like Chris O'Donnel in Batman Forever & Batman & Robin. was O Donnell 30 in Forever?!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 4, 2005 19:09:17 GMT -5
If you want to put Robin into a Batman movie, do it in a way we can like it. 1st, have him as a little kid, not an adult like in Batman Forever and Batman and Robin . And to avoid the campy style, keep Batman as the DARK Knight. And don't make him look like Nightwing either. [shadow=red,left,300][/shadow]Joel Shumacher: I know, we'll cast Chris O'Donnel. Few years later: What the f!@k was I thinking!
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 4, 2005 23:09:47 GMT -5
Not that Frankie is a great actor, but atleast they are getting it right by mentioning they want a young kid to play Robin and not a 30 year old actor like Chris O'Donnel in Batman Forever & Batman & Robin. was O Donnell 30 in Forever?! What year did Batman Forever come out? 1994? O'Donnel was born in 1970 so that would of made him okay I was off a bit he was 23-24 in Batman Forever and 26-27 in Batman & Robin. Still a bit old for a Robin Origin story like in Batman Forever though
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 5, 2005 11:06:29 GMT -5
it came out in 1995 so that makes him 24 when he was cast-wow-that is old-I guess I never thought that much about his age in the movies
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Post by ravenkane on Jul 6, 2005 19:06:28 GMT -5
No! No more Robin! EVER! I hate Robin. They need to do a movie with Batman and Superman together, but No Robin! I reject Robin, he never should have been created. I don't read anything with that fairy Robin in it. Superman and Batman are good friends in the comics now. NO ROBIN!
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 6, 2005 20:12:31 GMT -5
it came out in 1995 so that makes him 24 when he was cast-wow-that is old-I guess I never thought that much about his age in the movies If they were looking for a Dick Grayson that was already established in the movies O'Donnell would have worked for me, but the first time you introduce Robin into the movies he should have been a young actor between the age of 12-16 to really of worked for me, I just kept looking at O'Donnel and said to myself "SELF" this guy is way to old to be playing Robin. But the one thing I will give Robin is that he was a spark plug that I think helped make Batman Forever alot of money and breath life into the Batman movies.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jul 6, 2005 23:27:48 GMT -5
While it's way too early to bring him in...I would like to see him brought in later on in the series.
First off, I want to say that I am, in no way, a fan of the Burt Ward take- a campy sidekick who trades quips and annoying asides like "Holy ___, Batman!." I don't think any Batman fan is a fan of that. Chris O'Donnell was decent in BF, but was just as cringe-inducing as everyone else in B&R. Loren Lester's voice was a bit high pitched. I think his costume, as originally introduced in the comics, is ultimately ridiculous. Like that small Zorro mask can hide his identity! Like those green, red, and yellow colors would make good camouflaging! Heck, like those bare arms and legs and green elf boots will intimidate criminals!
So, why do I want him in the series? He's an important character in the mythos. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have lasted over 60 years. Batwoman and Bat-Girl (the Betty Kane one) are examples of characters who helped Batman, yet didn't work out. Robin has worked this whole time for a reason.
Let's check out his origin, shall we? He's an orphan whose lost his parents because of the crime in Gotham City. This immediately connects him to Bruce Wayne. It shows Bruce that he is not alone and strengthens his motivation to fight injustice.
Now, naturally, after having your parents murdered, you'd feel disillusioned, somewhat confused, and soon...anger toward the people who took your loved ones away from you. Revenge comes to play, especially since Richard Grayson is a young man. Bruce Wayne, ESPECIALLY in this interpretation, would want to take this kid in and teach him to use his anger for something more. I say "ESPECIALLY" because in Batman Begins, as a young man, Wayne attempts to kill Joe Chill...and if it weren't for Falcone, he would've succeeded and would've been thrown in jail just like Chill. There would've been no Batman. And no hope for Gotham City. But Bruce can't rely on someone else to beat Grayson to it. He's got to teach this boy immediately that it's not just a personal revenge mission that should fuel you, but the need to see justice served for everybody. This also fits into the Batman Begins series because we've seen Bruce under the tutelage of mentors. Alfred, Ducard, and even Lucius Fox are father figures that assume the roles of mentors. As Bruce gets older, it would definitely be a nice twist to see HIM as the Mentor, instead of the student. To see HIM take what he knows and teach it to a young man similar to himself. In the process, he saves Grayson's soul and prevents him from becoming a killer that Wayne could've been.
I quote War on Crime... "I know I am fighting a war I can never completely win. BUt there are small victories that encourage me to keep trying. If I can win back one child, there may be hope for many others. If it starts with one person, and then a neighborhood, then perhaps redemption can spread through an entire city, and finally back to me."
"That's nice," you say, "but Robin will still be lame."
And I agree with you...IF they go with the popular interpretation as the Boy Hostage, a kid who always winds up getting in trouble and needing Batman to save his butt.
Robin could very well be protrayed as serious, mature, and just as competent as Batman. It's been done before on film. John Duncan from the 1949 serial is my favorite Robin because he doesn't make any lame jokes. He has a level of seriousness in the role that hasn't been seen since, yet he has enough of the youthfulness to seem more like a crimefighting partner learning more of the ropes than a simple Batman clone.
The costume...can easily be altered. It's been done with Batman before on film. The gray and black tights look was suitably changed to the all black body armor look. While some comic book fans don't like it, the average audiences accept it as the Batman's cinematic costume. I have a feeling that if Robin were to enter the new films, he'd wear a costume similar to the old films, yet darker and different (basically like how the BB suit compared to the previous ones).
Robin would gain respect as a character if he had proven himself to Batman. In the comic Robin: Year One, Gordon asks Batman why he keeps an adolescent boy with him. Batman simply responds that the boy has proven himself worthy to be his partner. This could and should be played out whenever Robin enters the new films. I myself like the scenario in which Dick Grayson tracks down Zucco and then beats the crap out of him with the stick (ala Dark Victory). Batman is in the shadows, ready to strike if Grayson crosses the line. But Grayson doesn't cross the line, like young Bruce would've done years ago. He lets the cops have him and simply nods back at Batman as a way of saying, "I'm done now." This would show a level of moral strength that Bruce didn't have at that age and make Bruce respect Grayson. It also is a moment adapted from the comic book, but with its own dark spin...moments like this are all over Batman Begins. Robin would gain a level of realism if he wasn't in combat for the first couple of movies. Make him a trainee. Basically have him do all of the action stuff that Alfred and Gordon had to do in BB. Drive Batman back to the cave when he's injured. Carry Rachel to safety. Rescue Bruce from the burning building. Drive the Batmobile when needed. Don't have him fight until he's in his twenties. This way, Batman can train and help Grayson by giving him an outlet to release his thirst for justice, yet not endanger his life.
This is how I think Robin would work in the series and if they do it this way, or something similar, then the character would gain respect in the eyes of the average audience and give the films a new layer of depth to the character of Batman.
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Post by Robin on Jul 7, 2005 20:42:54 GMT -5
No! No more Robin! EVER! I hate Robin. They need to do a movie with Batman and Superman together, but No Robin! I reject Robin, he never should have been created. I don't read anything with that fairy Robin in it. Superman and Batman are good friends in the comics now. NO ROBIN! I'm not a fairy.
Oh and Superman is more of a fairy then Robin.
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Post by reideen1313 on Jul 7, 2005 21:17:23 GMT -5
Robin the character, (not the LOG member ;D) would be more accurately described as a pixie, due to the boots he wears.
Superman....he flies, but that doesn't necessarily make him a fairy, since he doesn't have little translucent wings on his back.
So, in conclusion,
Robin = Pixie Superman = Not a fairy
;D
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Post by Robin on Jul 7, 2005 21:42:44 GMT -5
Robin the character, (not the LOG member ;D) would be more accurately described as a pixie, due to the boots he wears. What are you talkin' about? I'm the real Robin. Seriously. Geez. ;D
Anyways, as much as I love Robin I don't want him in the sequels either. I just want them to keep the focus on Batman. They can put him in a few years after the sequels or something.
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Post by reideen1313 on Jul 7, 2005 21:57:04 GMT -5
Robin the character, (not the LOG member ;D) would be more accurately described as a pixie, due to the boots he wears. What are you talkin' about? I'm the real Robin. Seriously. Geez. ;DI know. Notice I didn't mention your tights.... ;D
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Post by greg on Jul 11, 2005 0:08:51 GMT -5
that O'Donnel guy sucked at Robin! :(i hate those movies. Batman was tolerable. the rest sucked. they could introduce Robin, but they should NOT use Frankie Muniz. thats scary.
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