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Post by beyondreal on Jul 8, 2005 13:40:22 GMT -5
Ok so all-star isnt out but after reading the new interview with frank miller and seeing a preview of the 1st issue, will all star change nolans mind on Robin, From the looks and sound of it frank is taknig a begins approach with it being realistic and claiming batman had been looking 4 someone to takeover the crusade. It really seems to be making Robin dark but still keeping him Robin. Now we knw that the begins crew are influenced by alot of the bat books so if they read all-star and it does give a gd reasions and does robin in a dark way that fits with batman would they consider it for the sequal? in all-star batman is only in his 2nd year so it would fit and franks explaintion that he was gonig to wait until dick was older to bring him into it but that he had 2 take him cos of what happened does sound a really gd explaintion for why robin is a kid. For me i could actually see this sort of thing happening with the begins batman him watching a number of people so that he could train them to continue after he ends. Now before i heard about frank was donig and him explain it i did think robin was sorta silly in batmans world but with this new reasion and purpose im really thinknig it cud work in the films as long as it was explained well as it is gonig to be in all-star.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 8, 2005 15:41:54 GMT -5
Sorry beyondreal. After Batman and Robin , I just want to see Bats going solo in his movies.
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Post by /\/\att on Jul 8, 2005 15:43:48 GMT -5
I really honestly want to see Batman solo....at least for these initial three films.
After that, my concerns are only this.
A.) that Christian Bale retails the role as Batman
B.) that the tone is well kept and consistant in all films
C.) they appropriately cast villains, regardless of star power
If they find a decent way to introduce Dick in say the fourth or fifth movie, and keep it in the same tone as Begins, more power to 'em!
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 8, 2005 17:06:57 GMT -5
I'm not sure /\/\att. In Arkham16's Comparisons and Speculations, It says and I quote: Did anyone notice the little boy saved by Bats seemed important? Others have wondered if he could be a future Dick Grayson. You never know what's gonna happen in these movies.
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Post by beyondreal on Jul 8, 2005 23:03:59 GMT -5
what gets me about batman begins style is that your guarnteed not to see the more outladish villians 4 example in the next film harley quinn wud be perfect 2 take over arkham asylum since crane became scarecrow and with all the crazy people but it probably wont happen cos they consider her 2 unrealistic. With Robin he is a accpeted part of batman and one that has never ever been done right im really not saying we shud see robin in costume, just that having a mini story of which there were ltos in begins showing bruce looking 4 the most skilled people he could find and of course it being dick maybe actually even end the last film or have it happen sometime him taking selina to the circus to watch him in action and of course the bad thing happens, they dont have 2 like robin but they can make soething out of dicks story as i like 2 think of it. this is 1 of my big things is these people are really part of batman but there ruled out cos of past batman films which wernt batman films, i mean woudlnt it be kool if in the 3rd film we see a young barbra helping batman after gordon might be kiddnapped and showing the skills that would later make her batgirl then oracale. Again hinting at but not showing batgirl. After the 3 begins films every1 is thinknig tehre gonna go with new directer etc.. and that they will skip alot of years in2 batmans life so i sorta think it is really esental to set up some of the main characters of batmans unvierse early. But again i guess it all rests on all-star if they pull of a dark gritty year one type robin with reasion and feeling then they might consider it in part or maybe in full. As for the studio i have a strange feeling they might also try to get robin or at least dick into the films warner brothers films in general always seem to want to increase the main character size in there sequels.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jul 9, 2005 7:25:12 GMT -5
I could see Robin in the movies, especially with Frank Miller's inspired Robin. Look at all the stuff in Begins that was because of Frank Miller, the whole Arkham Scene with the Bats and Swat team, Detective Flass and the corupt Gotham (Year One inspired) So if done right, I could see Robin working in a small part in the film.
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Post by Violator on Jul 9, 2005 13:05:09 GMT -5
I really dont want to see Robin in any non-animated Batman movie ever. Its not that I dont like the character, I like Robin alot more than I used to. Robin was created to give the kids that read the comic someone they could relate with and travel with Batman. Thats really not nesessary in the movies.
Now if it absolutely had to be done, here are a few things I would want to see. The Set Up: Batman pysically and mentally exhausted with tackling the increasing number of psychotic criminals in Gotham. Show a reason why he'd even consider taking in or needing a partner. The Tragedy: I think everyone here would agree that we'd want to see Grayson as Robin, or atleast use elements of that origin with Jasons and Tims. Batman needs to be there when the Graysons are killed. He needs to see himself in young Dick. That will give him the reason to take in the boy. Inner Conflict: Seeing the anger and sadness in Dick, Bruce should began to train the boy but not as Batman, not yet revealing the secret. Just give him enough skills to protect himself and let him focus on something other than his parents death. Alfred can step in at this point and question Bruce's motives. Questions: All the while Dick will begin to wonder why Bruce disapears everynight, why he has unexplainable bruises when they train together. Revalation: They should adopt a little of Tim Drake's amateur dectective skills and have Dick find out Bruce's secret. To me, it just works better than Bruce revealing the secret. It can be played out as Bruce leaving subtle clues, as if he wanted Dick to know without actually telling him. Either Dick should find the cave or somehow/someway follow Batman and figure it out. Maybe the Batmobile has some sort of storage compartment that Dick can hide in (I know, not that original, just thowing out ideas). The Fight: Batman needs to be in some sort of fight that is a near loss to him. Dick needs to intervene and actually help/save Batman. Nothing fancy, doesnt have to be martial arts, maybe he just uses whats available in that particular enviroment. Scolding: Of course after the battle is done, Bruce begins with the lecturing. Which is only worse when they return to the cave and Alfred see's the two of them exit the car. Then it would go on to an argument between Bruce and Alfred. The Oath: After a long talk, and much to Alfred's dissaproval. Batman takes in his partner, Robin (how they will explain the name Robin, I do not know). Though for it to be as realistic as possible, young Dick would have to be used as survaliance and technical backup. Batman would have to stress that he never engage in combat unless its in defense. Or course Robin wont listen and he'll join in on the action. The Costume: I know most people like the traditional Red, Green and Yellow costume, but it just doesnt make any sense. Personally, I like like to see the Drake costume of TNBA. Red and Black looks much better IMO and makes more sense. The Red could even be a little darker, we dont want Robin to be a human target after all.
Thats really all I got so far. Using these elements or variations of them, could make a believable Robin.
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Post by beyondreal on Jul 9, 2005 16:11:47 GMT -5
the most belieble and realistic costume i believe and cud actually see working well in begins films would be the all-star costume that robin will eventually end up the one with the hood. Explain the costume difference in that his armor is lighter and give him goggles 4 nightvision etc. the cape and the hood 2 help hide his idenity thats the part of it that really does make robin able 2 stand beside batman and look menacing, imagine the begins batman on a dark stormy night standing on a roof with robin there hood up and goggles on basically looking like he has no face just this black void with only these piecing white eyes looking out.
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Post by Robin on Jul 9, 2005 16:37:43 GMT -5
I really honestly want to see Batman solo....at least for these initial three films. After that, my concerns are only this. A.) that Christian Bale retails the role as Batman B.) that the tone is well kept and consistant in all films C.) they appropriately cast villains, regardless of star power If they find a decent way to introduce Dick in say the fourth or fifth movie, and keep it in the same tone as Begins, more power to 'em! Yep as long as they do that I'll be happy. Well put Matt.
I'll hero you.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jul 14, 2005 18:50:01 GMT -5
I just read All Stars#1 and if they make a Robin origin movie like this, I would be glad to have Robin in the new movies.
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Post by beyondreal on Jul 14, 2005 20:51:14 GMT -5
same here all star robin orgin seemed very mature. I gotta say though alot of that issue seemed very much like begins, wth the way batmans gadgets and bats all work aswell as how he seemed very different from the normal comics and much more begins. I really think that given afew more issues warner brothers and indeed Nolan might come around to having robin in the films, from interviews and that it seems frank is going the Nolan realistic route with all star anyway as far as why robin is young etc giving everything a gd reasion for being like that.
One big thing is that this is basically batman year two and we all knw how much of begins was based on year one.
My other thought is that all star appears it could set up a great lsit of storys for the begins sequel such as vicki vale, since we knw shes going to be a throw away love intrest in the nxt film already then why cant it be her? her all star version is strong and stands up to the corrupt police.
Final bit is imagine the last page of the first issue with batman holding robin by the neck and saying "youve just been drafted into a war." Bale would make that image very iconic.
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Post by ProfessorHStrange on Aug 6, 2005 9:00:11 GMT -5
I really dont want to see Robin in any non-animated Batman movie ever. Its not that I dont like the character, I like Robin alot more than I used to. Robin was created to give the kids that read the comic someone they could relate with and travel with Batman. Thats really not nesessary in the movies. Now if it absolutely had to be done, here are a few things I would want to see. The Set Up: Batman pysically and mentally exhausted with tackling the increasing number of psychotic criminals in Gotham. Show a reason why he'd even consider taking in or needing a partner. The Tragedy: I think everyone here would agree that we'd want to see Grayson as Robin, or atleast use elements of that origin with Jasons and Tims. Batman needs to be there when the Graysons are killed. He needs to see himself in young Dick. That will give him the reason to take in the boy. Inner Conflict: Seeing the anger and sadness in Dick, Bruce should began to train the boy but not as Batman, not yet revealing the secret. Just give him enough skills to protect himself and let him focus on something other than his parents death. Alfred can step in at this point and question Bruce's motives. Questions: All the while Dick will begin to wonder why Bruce disapears everynight, why he has unexplainable bruises when they train together. Revalation: They should adopt a little of Tim Drake's amateur dectective skills and have Dick find out Bruce's secret. To me, it just works better than Bruce revealing the secret. It can be played out as Bruce leaving subtle clues, as if he wanted Dick to know without actually telling him. Either Dick should find the cave or somehow/someway follow Batman and figure it out. Maybe the Batmobile has some sort of storage compartment that Dick can hide in (I know, not that original, just thowing out ideas). The Fight: Batman needs to be in some sort of fight that is a near loss to him. Dick needs to intervene and actually help/save Batman. Nothing fancy, doesnt have to be martial arts, maybe he just uses whats available in that particular enviroment. Scolding: Of course after the battle is done, Bruce begins with the lecturing. Which is only worse when they return to the cave and Alfred see's the two of them exit the car. Then it would go on to an argument between Bruce and Alfred. The Oath: After a long talk, and much to Alfred's dissaproval. Batman takes in his partner, Robin (how they will explain the name Robin, I do not know). Though for it to be as realistic as possible, young Dick would have to be used as survaliance and technical backup. Batman would have to stress that he never engage in combat unless its in defense. Or course Robin wont listen and he'll join in on the action. The Costume: I know most people like the traditional Red, Green and Yellow costume, but it just doesnt make any sense. Personally, I like like to see the Drake costume of TNBA. Red and Black looks much better IMO and makes more sense. The Red could even be a little darker, we dont want Robin to be a human target after all. Thats really all I got so far. Using these elements or variations of them, could make a believable Robin. Very good points! Good reason for a Robin to me. ProfessorH!
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Post by ProfessorHStrange on Aug 6, 2005 9:03:03 GMT -5
the most belieble and realistic costume i believe and cud actually see working well in begins films would be the all-star costume that robin will eventually end up the one with the hood. Explain the costume difference in that his armor is lighter and give him goggles 4 nightvision etc. the cape and the hood 2 help hide his idenity thats the part of it that really does make robin able 2 stand beside batman and look menacing, imagine the begins batman on a dark stormy night standing on a roof with robin there hood up and goggles on basically looking like he has no face just this black void with only these piecing white eyes looking out. Very good I like it. ProfessorH!
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Post by All Star Batman on Aug 6, 2005 11:08:26 GMT -5
The Costume: I know most people like the traditional Red, Green and Yellow costume, but it just doesnt make any sense. Personally, I like like to see the Drake costume of TNBA. Red and Black looks much better IMO and makes more sense. The Red could even be a little darker, we dont want Robin to be a human target after all. I'd rather see a TEEN TITANS costumed Robin.
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