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Post by DarknessFalls on Nov 14, 2005 18:48:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry if this is the wrong board to discuss this, but when I was reading the newest issue of Entertainment Weekly, they have this segment where they mention all the movies that might get nominated for an Oscar. I scanned through all of the categories like Best pictures, actors, directors, ect... and I could not find Batman Begins. Man, I was frustrated, I mean, how idiotic can these editors get to forget Batman Begins. Jeez........ Oh well, I'm sure they are COMPLETELY wrong not to mention Batman Begins. At least "A history of Violence" is mentioned.
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Post by All Star Batman on Nov 14, 2005 18:54:18 GMT -5
They have to be idiots not mentioning Batman Begins(best movie ever!).
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Post by arkhaminmate on Nov 14, 2005 19:26:32 GMT -5
Indeed, Batman Begins is my favorite movie. & is such for atleast 80% of the LOG community. But that is rediculous nost even mentioning Batman Begins in the list. Although I'm almost 100% sure it will be nominated for several categories. Can you say "winner of Best Picture?"
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Post by J-Man on Nov 14, 2005 20:36:08 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Well, before I get in depth, don't shoot the prospective movie producer for what I'm going to say.
Batman Begins, which has been critically acclaimed by both experts and fans alike, is not a movie which would qualify as Oscar-worthy material, at least in any of the major categories. First, the film is, at its core, a superhero movie. Not only that, but when the Academy looks for contenders, they will overlook Batman Begins because they will consider it either a sequel or remake, which nearly kills the chance to be nominated (exceptions: The Godfather and Lord of the Rings movies).
Anyway, the Oscars are mostly for character driven, real-life stories. Batman Begins won't be viewed as that. And if it is, I'll be shocked (though happy, considering there haven't been many good movies this year, and next to Crash and Sin City, this is one of the best I've seen).[/shadow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Nov 14, 2005 21:28:31 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Well, before I get in depth, don't shoot the prospective movie producer for what I'm going to say.
Batman Begins, which has been critically acclaimed by both experts and fans alike, is not a movie which would qualify as Oscar-worthy material, at least in any of the major categories. First, the film is, at its core, a superhero movie. Not only that, but when the Academy looks for contenders, they will overlook Batman Begins because they will consider it either a sequel or remake, which nearly kills the chance to be nominated (exceptions: The Godfather and Lord of the Rings movies).
Anyway, the Oscars are mostly for character driven, real-life stories. Batman Begins won't be viewed as that. And if it is, I'll be shocked (though happy, considering there haven't been many good movies this year, and next to Crash and Sin City, this is one of the best I've seen).[/shadow] Good point. But how is Shrek 2, character driven? & how is Lord of the Rings a real-life story? Hmmmm? Hell, the first Batman won at least 1 oscar. So did Bram Stoker's Dracula.
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Post by /\/\att on Nov 14, 2005 21:34:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't take it so personally. Anyone that understands the Oscars never seriously expected Begins to get a nod of any kind.
The Oscars mean absolutely nothing in the real world. Its a little group of industry folk that do a voting poll. Thats it! Means squat. Its all just show.
Begins is an outstanding movie..and a ton of outstanding movies come out every year, you just never hear about them, because they're not popular. They're about as fair with their range of movie choices as MTV is with video choices. About 10 favs every year out of thousands. Gimme a break.
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Post by HUSH on Nov 15, 2005 5:51:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't take it so personally. Anyone that understands the Oscars never seriously expected Begins to get a nod of any kind. The Oscars mean absolutely nothing in the real world. Its a little group of industry folk that do a voting poll. Thats it! Means squat. Its all just show. Begins is an outstanding movie..and a ton of outstanding movies come out every year, you just never hear about them, because they're not popular. They're about as fair with their range of movie choices as MTV is with video choices. About 10 favs every year out of thousands. Gimme a break. You're right about that- It doesn't #%$*ing matter- but I guess the reason I'd want it to win would be that it would prove to all the people who think it does matter(including those who don't think much of comic book movies) how great a "superhero movie" can really be...plus, Nolan and Co. and Christian Bale deserve all the awards that come their way, the more, the better. It won't happen, but it would be awesome for those reasons, and deserving of everything.
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Post by gotham95 on Nov 15, 2005 12:41:29 GMT -5
To me the Oscars are like politics.
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Post by J-Man on Nov 15, 2005 14:01:07 GMT -5
Good point. But how is Shrek 2, character driven? & how is Lord of the Rings a real-life story? Hmmmm? Hell, the first Batman won at least 1 oscar. So did Bram Stoker's Dracula. [shadow=purple,left,300]Well, Shrek 2 was a contender in a category with a limited amount of good choices.
No, LOTR is not a real life story. Hence the word 'mostly' in my original post.[/shadow]
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Post by BatmAngelus on Nov 16, 2005 1:46:00 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Well, before I get in depth, don't shoot the prospective movie producer for what I'm going to say.
Batman Begins, which has been critically acclaimed by both experts and fans alike, is not a movie which would qualify as Oscar-worthy material, at least in any of the major categories. First, the film is, at its core, a superhero movie. Not only that, but when the Academy looks for contenders, they will overlook Batman Begins because they will consider it either a sequel or remake, which nearly kills the chance to be nominated (exceptions: The Godfather and Lord of the Rings movies).
Anyway, the Oscars are mostly for character driven, real-life stories. Batman Begins won't be viewed as that. And if it is, I'll be shocked (though happy, considering there haven't been many good movies this year, and next to Crash and Sin City, this is one of the best I've seen).[/shadow] ^ Hero. Everything I wanted to say. People are expecting way too much from the Academy if they honestly expected Begins to get such a nod.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Nov 20, 2005 4:57:52 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Well, before I get in depth, don't shoot the prospective movie producer for what I'm going to say.
Batman Begins, which has been critically acclaimed by both experts and fans alike, is not a movie which would qualify as Oscar-worthy material, at least in any of the major categories. First, the film is, at its core, a superhero movie. Not only that, but when the Academy looks for contenders, they will overlook Batman Begins because they will consider it either a sequel or remake, which nearly kills the chance to be nominated (exceptions: The Godfather and Lord of the Rings movies).
Anyway, the Oscars are mostly for character driven, real-life stories. Batman Begins won't be viewed as that. And if it is, I'll be shocked (though happy, considering there haven't been many good movies this year, and next to Crash and Sin City, this is one of the best I've seen).[/shadow] ^ Hero. Everything I wanted to say. People are expecting way too much from the Academy if they honestly expected Begins to get such a nod. Exactly, hero for both of you
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Post by Eric on Nov 27, 2005 12:34:15 GMT -5
id like to see at least a nomination for score and cinematography.
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Post by Blakeus125 on Nov 27, 2005 23:21:41 GMT -5
well i cant say that i really expect begins to win any major awards though that would be nice but in the end i greatly enjoyed the movie and thats all i wanted from it and i dont have to have any awards to show me it was a good movie
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Post by J-Man on Dec 17, 2005 19:21:00 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]"Batman Begins" is in the running for a Best Visual Effects nomination. Will it get it? Probably not, but still, here's hoping it will.[/shadow]
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Post by Batdan on Dec 17, 2005 22:14:25 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Well, before I get in depth, don't shoot the prospective movie producer for what I'm going to say.
Batman Begins, which has been critically acclaimed by both experts and fans alike, is not a movie which would qualify as Oscar-worthy material, at least in any of the major categories. First, the film is, at its core, a superhero movie. Not only that, but when the Academy looks for contenders, they will overlook Batman Begins because they will consider it either a sequel or remake, which nearly kills the chance to be nominated (exceptions: The Godfather and Lord of the Rings movies).
Anyway, the Oscars are mostly for character driven, real-life stories. Batman Begins won't be viewed as that. And if it is, I'll be shocked (though happy, considering there haven't been many good movies this year, and next to Crash and Sin City, this is one of the best I've seen).[/shadow] What he said. And while I loved Batman Begins, it's not in the same arena as "Capote," "Walk the Line," or, say, "Good Night, and Good Luck."
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 17, 2005 23:02:29 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Well, before I get in depth, don't shoot the prospective movie producer for what I'm going to say.
Batman Begins, which has been critically acclaimed by both experts and fans alike, is not a movie which would qualify as Oscar-worthy material, at least in any of the major categories. First, the film is, at its core, a superhero movie. Not only that, but when the Academy looks for contenders, they will overlook Batman Begins because they will consider it either a sequel or remake, which nearly kills the chance to be nominated (exceptions: The Godfather and Lord of the Rings movies).
Anyway, the Oscars are mostly for character driven, real-life stories. Batman Begins won't be viewed as that. And if it is, I'll be shocked (though happy, considering there haven't been many good movies this year, and next to Crash and Sin City, this is one of the best I've seen).[/shadow] What he said. And while I loved Batman Begins, it's not in the same arena as "Capote," "Walk the Line," or, say, "Good Night, and Good Luck." Why, because its a superhero movie? There's nothing that Begins didn't have that those films do. There's emotion...drama...grit..action...intrigue. Begins really does have a good level of everything that interests American movie goers.
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Post by J-Man on Dec 17, 2005 23:11:09 GMT -5
Why, because its a superhero movie? There's nothing that Begins didn't have that those films do. There's emotion...drama...grit..action...intrigue. Begins really does have a good level of everything that interests American movie goers. [shadow=purple,left,300]You're absolutely right, Matt. And it's too bad the Academy overlooks movies like this (except for "Superman: The Movie," which got a best picture nod back in the 70s).
"Batman Begins" is really one of the best movies I've seen all year. I think "Sin City," "Crash" and "Capote" rank a little higher on my list. I'm really hoping this movie receives a little more love come Oscar season; A best visual effects or editing nod would be excellent, and a win would be even better.
I bet if "Begins" hit theaters around this time of year, It'd get a couple major nominations. From what I remember, this was the best reviewed major movie release of the summer. [/shadow]
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Post by Batdan on Dec 18, 2005 1:23:52 GMT -5
What he said. And while I loved Batman Begins, it's not in the same arena as "Capote," "Walk the Line," or, say, "Good Night, and Good Luck." Why, because its a superhero movie? There's nothing that Begins didn't have that those films do. There's emotion...drama...grit..action...intrigue. Begins really does have a good level of everything that interests American movie goers. Yes, because it's a superhero movie. Listen, you all know I love Batman. Heck, I'm an active member of LoG, right? But I also acknowledge that superheroes aren't exactly high on the literature scale, whether it be in comics, prose or film form. Entertaining? Yes. Engrossing? Yes. Enriching? Yes. But I wouldn't confuse even the best comics with the best films or the best books.
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 18, 2005 5:56:32 GMT -5
Why, because its a superhero movie? There's nothing that Begins didn't have that those films do. There's emotion...drama...grit..action...intrigue. Begins really does have a good level of everything that interests American movie goers. Yes, because it's a superhero movie. Listen, you all know I love Batman. Heck, I'm an active member of LoG, right? But I also acknowledge that superheroes aren't exactly high on the literature scale, whether it be in comics, prose or film form. Entertaining? Yes. Engrossing? Yes. Enriching? Yes. But I wouldn't confuse even the best comics with the best films or the best books. See, now thats the kind of attitude I would hope would be able to be overcome in an environment like this. I can understand the mainstream looking down on comics...but not a fan! I don't understand why a piece of writing is de-valued because its placed in comic format with artwork. Its still storytelling. Are all comics great? Of course not. Are all books great? Nope. But there are comics that I feel are better than most books...and could make amazing film. Batman Begins is a superhero movie...but it managed to become so much more than that..and to overcome so many stereotypes. Is sad to see that people here can't even accept it.
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Post by Frank Varela on Dec 18, 2005 7:09:14 GMT -5
I have to concur with Matt. There are so few truly American artforms, and the fact that comics still does not get its due respect quite honetly pisses me off. Let's face it boys, there's no mistake that Hollywood is looking to comics for its big budget movies. I've grown up in the entertainment industry all my life, and original ideas for TV or film have dried up a long time ago. If Hollywood is going to look to comics to save their uncreative collective butts, then maybe its time to start reconsidering the comic form as just for kids, and start placing the art form at the level that it has already evolved to, and that means seeing some recognition at Oscar or Emmy time. I don't mean best special FX category. I'm talkin' Best Actor, Best Screenplay, Best Movie, and so on. The Batman animated series is obviously written for kids, but the writing on the Justice League Unlimited or all of Bruce Timm's stuff is brillant. Some of the best writing on televison. Will you ever see the JLU nominated for an Emmy? I doubt it. At any rate, I was reading the posts, asnd I had give out my two cents.
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Post by Frank Varela on Dec 18, 2005 7:15:33 GMT -5
I think I just got censored. When I wrote,"I have to concur with Matt. There are so few truly American artforms, and the fact that comics still does not get its due respect quite honetly makes me think of flowers." I'm npt thinking of flowers. I said I'm P.O.ed, but I guess I'm not allowed to say that in its full form. So, I'll say that comics not getting its due respect makes me mad...really MAD!
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 18, 2005 7:23:38 GMT -5
I think I just got censored. When I wrote,"I have to concur with Matt. There are so few truly American artforms, and the fact that comics still does not get its due respect quite honetly makes me think of flowers." I'm npt thinking of flowers. I said I'm P.O.ed, but I guess I'm not allowed to say that in its full form. So, I'll say that comics not getting its due respect makes me mad...really MAD! Frank - I fixed that censored phrase bit. It reads correctly now. We can say mad around here, lol. Heck, they can say worse things on network Tv! A wonderful post, and I agree wholeheartedly. I don't understand why something like comics are good enough to be made into a film, and make millions off of, but not good enough for formal recognition. They're talking about King Kong in the oscars for god's sake. Its a movie about a HUGE MONKEY! Gimme a break!
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Post by Batdan on Dec 18, 2005 10:45:13 GMT -5
Hey, I don't expect to score any points with this opinion but I can't help it if I believe that comics aren't high art.
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Post by /\/\att on Dec 18, 2005 22:26:50 GMT -5
Hey, I don't expect to score any points with this opinion but I can't help it if I believe that comics aren't high art. You're certainly entitled to your opinion Batdan...no one is picking on you...just the opinion! Ya can't expect it to be very popular in these parts!
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Post by Batdan on Dec 18, 2005 22:31:16 GMT -5
Hey, I don't expect to score any points with this opinion but I can't help it if I believe that comics aren't high art. You're certainly entitled to your opinion Batdan...no one is picking on you...just the opinion! Ya can't expect it to be very popular in these parts! Oh, I didn't take it that way, Matt, but thanks. And no I didn't expect my opinion to be embraced! I assumed I was gonna be in a small minority.
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