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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 11, 2005 16:43:35 GMT -5
I could definitely see something like that: Oswald Cobblepot, a man with a somewhat respectable image in Gotham City. But behind the scenes is a truly malignant man with power in the crime syndicate.
I could imagine "Penguin" as either: a) a nickname, ala Al "Scarface" Capone b) a name that he hates, as ArkhamInmate described.
In terms of other candidates besides Hoskins, I could definitely see Broadbent. The man's a fabulous actor, especially in Gangs of New York as Boss Tweed.
I'm not too sure on Hoffman. I know that he's a great actor. I've only seen him in Along Came Polly and Cold Mountain, neither of which really showed me that he could do it. But I suppose he has the abilities.
Someone that I've considered is Brendan Gleeson. This man is awesome. He was the major highlight as Mad-Eye Moody in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. He's been in such other films as Gangs of New York, Cold Mountain, Kingdom of Heaven, and 28 Days Later with Cillian Murphy. He's not as short as Hoskins; in fact he's quite large. He would've made an interesting Kingpin. Still, if they can make John Rhys-Davies into a dwarf, they can certainly make Gleeson a foot shorter.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 11, 2005 18:44:16 GMT -5
I could definitely see something like that: Oswald Cobblepot, a man with a somewhat respectable image in Gotham City. But behind the scenes is a truly malignant man with power in the crime syndicate. I could imagine "Penguin" as either: a) a nickname, ala Al "Scarface" Capone b) a name that he hates, as ArkhamInmate described. In terms of other candidates besides Hoskins, I could definitely see Broadbent. The man's a fabulous actor, especially in Gangs of New York as Boss Tweed. I'm not too sure on Hoffman. I know that he's a great actor. I've only seen him in Along Came Polly and Cold Mountain, neither of which really showed me that he could do it. But I suppose he has the abilities. Someone that I've considered is Brendan Gleeson. This man is awesome. He was the major highlight as Mad-Eye Moody in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. He's been in such other films as Gangs of New York, Cold Mountain, Kingdom of Heaven, and 28 Days Later with Cillian Murphy. He's not as short as Hoskins; in fact he's quite large. He would've made an interesting Kingpin. Still, if they can make John Rhys-Davies into a dwarf, they can certainly make Gleeson a foot shorter. Great idea. Brendon Gleeson is a fantastic actor, & was the perfect Alasor "Mad Eye" Moody in the GOF. So, i believe we can consider him a fan candidate? llike Johnny Depp was before we heard the real considered names
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Post by J-Man on Dec 13, 2005 18:23:41 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]INSIDER SCOOP! (well, kinda ;D)
Like I mentioned, Philip Seymour Hoffman is from my area. Today, he was nominated for a Golden Globe, which has sparked some media frenzy around here. In an interview with his old high school drama teacher on RNEWS, a local news program in Rochester, New York, she confirmed that Hoffman is in talks with Warner Brothers to take on the role of the Penguin in a "Batman Begins" sequel.
Let's see what happens.[/shadow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 15, 2005 22:07:19 GMT -5
Interesting. I don't doubt Hoffman's talent for acting, but I just can see him as The Penguin. He just doesn't look like him
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Post by profgriffin on Dec 20, 2005 10:19:27 GMT -5
Interesting. I don't doubt Hoffman's talent for acting, but I just can see him as The Penguin. He just doesn't look like him Respectfully, they can make anyone look like anything...the magic of hollywood make-up knows no bounds. Phillip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin? Oh, I like it...I like it a lot. He's an amazing actor...(his performance as Truman Capote was outstanding, and with a elongated nose, hair dyed black, monocle and a cigarette holder clutched in his teeth...he's be ideal! Very exciting news.
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Post by Batdan on Dec 21, 2005 21:12:55 GMT -5
I could easily get on board with that.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 23, 2005 15:49:12 GMT -5
Interesting. I don't doubt Hoffman's talent for acting, but I just can see him as The Penguin. He just doesn't look like him Respectfully, they can make anyone look like anything...the magic of hollywood make-up knows no bounds. Phillip Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin? Oh, I like it...I like it a lot. He's an amazing actor...(his performance as Truman Capote was outstanding, and with a elongated nose, hair dyed black, monocle and a cigarette holder clutched in his teeth...he's be ideal! Very exciting news. I'm almost sold on that. Could you tell me what film it was so I can see him? By the way you describe him he sounds like the perfect Penguin, but, I'll need to see him & his performance.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 23, 2005 17:11:04 GMT -5
^ I think he's talking about Capote and envisioning him with the Penguin costume.
I've thought enough about it and here's my take on it: He's a talented actor. He doesn't strike me that much as the Penguin type, but I have faith that he can pull it off. He reminds me of the casting of Gary Oldman, who naturally looks nothing like Gordon. But in make-up and performance, he basically became Gordon (that's Gary Oldman for you, anyway). I have faith that Hoffman can do the same thing: go under the make-up and give an accurate protrayal to become The Penguin. There will be a lot of irony if he is cast as the British arms dealer Penguin. Then, we'd have an American playing British amidst a bunch of Brits playing Americans. Oh, the irony.
Still, I prefer Hoskins mainly because he already is suitable for the role. It's less hard of a stretch to imagine him as Penguin mainly because he's played an excellent villain before. Hoffman will be playing a villain in Mission: Impossible 3, but from what I saw of him in the teaser, I wasn't too impressed (partially because of the lines he was given).
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Post by All Star Batman on Dec 23, 2005 19:08:38 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again. I am pulling for Hoskins to be the new Penguin.
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Post by J-Man on Dec 23, 2005 20:05:22 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Both Hoskins and Hoffman are great character actors. But Philip Seymour Hoffman has my vote of confidence because I can actually see him pulling it off. Bob Hoskins doesn't seem as if he can pull that sort of role off. None of his past performances indicate that he can do it (all of his attempts at action or darker movies sucked beyond belief). Philip Seymour Hoffman can dive into any role and pull it off with utmost excellence. He's done conventional roles (Red Dragon, Along Came Polly) and experimental roles (m:i-III, Capote). The Penguin would be more of Hoffman's cup of tea rather than Hoskins.[/shadow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 23, 2005 20:30:57 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Both Hoskins and Hoffman are great character actors. But Philip Seymour Hoffman has my vote of confidence because I can actually see him pulling it off. Bob Hoskins doesn't seem as if he can pull that sort of role off. None of his past performances indicate that he can do it (all of his attempts at action or darker movies sucked beyond belief). Philip Seymour Hoffman can dive into any role and pull it off with utmost excellence. He's done conventional roles (Red Dragon, Along Came Polly) and experimental roles (m:i-III, Capote). The Penguin would be more of Hoffman's cup of tea rather than Hoskins.[/shadow] When you put it that way, I'm behind Hoffman 100%
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 23, 2005 23:16:38 GMT -5
I am not as easily swayed. In contrast, I haven't seen anything in Hoffman's past roles to indicate that he could do it, although I admit that he's shown a broader range than Hoskins has. I'm not convinced yet that he'll be a good villain in M:I-3 (again, that fault lies more in the lines he had than himself). Hopefully my opinion will change after seeing that, but for now I've put him lower on my list of candidates.
Hoskins's performance in Unleashed was excellent, IMO. Maybe slightly over-the-top at the end, but I don't expect Penguin to be written in such a hysterical fashion. Even if Unleashed wasn't a masterpiece, he pulled off the charming, yet threatening villain quite well. I've also heard more praise about his performance as a mob boss in The Long Good Friday. Sure he's been in crap films (everybody loves to rat on Super Mario Brothers), but so has the best of actors (Christian Bale in Reign of Fire, Gary Oldman in the Scarlet Letter, etc).
Plus, rumors are pointing out that he'll be a British arms dealer. While I can imagine Hoffman pulling it off (and being the first American in the series to pretend to be a Brit instead of the other way around), I have an easier time seeing Hoskins. Now I admit that part of that is superficial- his height and facial structure are closer to Penguin and he himself is British- but on the other hand, I can also easily see him being an arms dealer. I can see him being persuasive to others about his merchandise. I can see him smiling through his teeth and hiding a dark side underneath. I can see him leer at an unbelieving customer. These are things that I can see with a "British arms dealer Penguin."
Then again, who knows what Nolan and Goyer will do. Maybe the British arms dealer take isn't true at all. Maybe they want an American lounge owner who is part of the corruption of the city. Maybe they want something else.
All in all, it depends on what protrayal Nolan and Goyer will want with this character. But right now, the rumored protrayal is a British arms dealer and that's a protrayal I can easily see Bob Hoskins play this role based on the reasons above.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Dec 23, 2005 23:56:51 GMT -5
Good point, Hoskins 75% Hoffman 25%
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Dec 24, 2005 0:17:45 GMT -5
Sounds like arkhaminmate can't make up his mind. Do you want Hoskins or Hoffman. Decide for yourself. As for me, I don't like Penguin enough as a character to even care who is cast.
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Post by J-Man on Dec 24, 2005 12:04:57 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I can't jump behind Bob Hoskins, mainly because he's only in consideration based on looks. He's old, washed up, and frankly his performances have been going down hill since "JFK" (or was it "Nixon" where he played J. Edgar Hoover?).
I do doubt that Hoskins is even in consideration. But I won't totally be against it if he is cast, though unlikely.[/shadow]
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Post by Robin on Dec 24, 2005 12:06:00 GMT -5
Sounds like arkhaminmate can't make up his mind. Do you want Hoskins or Hoffman. Decide for yourself. As for me, I don't like Penguin enough as a character to even care who is cast. Haha same here.
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Post by coliv1977 on Dec 24, 2005 12:31:03 GMT -5
Sounds like arkhaminmate can't make up his mind. Do you want Hoskins or Hoffman. Decide for yourself. As for me, I don't like Penguin enough as a character to even care who is cast. Haha same here. Ditto
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Post by BatmAngelus on Dec 24, 2005 21:40:28 GMT -5
I can't jump behind Bob Hoskins, mainly because he's only in consideration based on looks. That may apply to some people, but that's not why I'm considering him. I loved what Hoskins did in Unleashed as the villain and that's the film that proved to me that he could pull off Penguin. His cold hearted acts. His charming, yet lethal personality. His downright nasty attitude when he was in the midst of violence. Add that to the description that I previously posted and one should understand why I support him. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't support him as much as I do now because I'm against supporting actors based primarily on their looks. We'll have to agree to disagree here since performances of anyone are somewhat of (but not entirely) a subjective area. I, for example, didn't see much Joker in Crispin's Willard performance. It felt more like Scarecrow, IMO. There were some qualities there, such as his brooding nature (which, with Joker, should be occasional) and his glee upon getting his victims, but not enough for what I wanted to see for a complex villain like Joker. There was enough there for me to understand why other fans would want him, other than his looks. This is probably a similar case with you and Hoskins; you feel that he looks like the character, but doesn't have the chops to act like the character. And that's fine with me, but surely you can understand now that his supporters (at least, I) see him as a viable candidate because of his acting rather than his looks. Lastly, I admit that he's old at 63. But I've always seen Penguin as an older character. One who has been in crime for a long time and took some years to get some respect. If I absolutely had to go younger, my next choice would be Brendan Gleeson, who is at 50 years old and is getting in more and more great quality films. Again, part of it will have to do with Nolan and Goyer's vision of the villain. Will they go that way or are they going to go the Scarecrow route and go younger again (in that case, go Hoffman)? We shall see, my friend. Like you and Hoskins, I wouldn't be against it if Hoffman were cast either.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 2, 2006 18:25:21 GMT -5
Sounds like arkhaminmate can't make up his mind. Do you want Hoskins or Hoffman. Decide for yourself. As for me, I don't like Penguin enough as a character to even care who is cast. hm..... It's a hard decision, I'll have to say Hoskins. Only because he looks like the Penguin, & i've never seen a Hoffman film
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 2, 2006 18:50:58 GMT -5
Hoffman to me seems more like a madhatter of a henry wesker type. I just saw the new trailer for Mission Impossible III in which he is the lead bady. While the movie looks over played, his acting does shine but I still can not see him as the penguin. Maybe another batman villian but not the penguin, just don't think it will work.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 2, 2006 18:53:45 GMT -5
That's exactly what I think. But, I was also sceptical of Lineus Roach, Ken Watanabe, & even Christian Bale in Begins, so IF Hoffman is cast, I'll have my opinion on his Penguin then
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 2, 2006 23:22:55 GMT -5
excellent point
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 3, 2006 8:52:56 GMT -5
Further more, having not seen Hoffman on screen, (although I have faith somewhat) I'm not quit sure if he has the acting skills necesarry for the Penguin. & Bob Hoskins' role in Unleashed was (in my opinion) like a screen test for the Penguin, only with less hair on his head. LOL. And if Hoffman lands the role, he would have to be buried underneath prosetics & other visual props. So I'm Hoskins all the way
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Post by Batleaf93 on Jan 3, 2006 16:49:48 GMT -5
Bob Hoskins all the way!
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Post by Batrez on Jan 3, 2006 17:33:40 GMT -5
you know the other day..I was thinking maybe Edward Norton can play joker...he played a psycho in that movie called fear or somthing.
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 3, 2006 20:37:38 GMT -5
i would love to see Edward Norton involved in some way with the batman franchise, however i fele it very unlikely. i don't know if joker would be my first pick or if i would want him to be someone more intriguing, maybe he could pull off the riddler??? just a thought
for those of yo who want to see the potential penguin on screen, you could check out the MI:3 trailer, which is all him for the first half, or a movie called "happiness" however in happiness he is not a bad guy, and the movie is a bit weird so you would have to watch it just for the acting. he is pretty good i must say.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 3, 2006 22:00:49 GMT -5
A character more complex, than The Joker? Hm....
I'll check out the Hoffman movie, then I'll give you my opinion on the guys acting skills. Although I'm still for Hoskins
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Post by J-Man on Jan 3, 2006 22:22:22 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Or check out "Capote," "Flawless," "State and Main" and "Red Dragon," which are a bit more mainstream (I haven't seen "Happiness" yet, so I have no idea how good that movie is).
"Capote" and "M:I-III" are his first big roles (where he doesn't play a small supporting part). "Capote" is his best film by far, but the others show the range of characters he can play.[/shadow]
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 4, 2006 11:43:49 GMT -5
ok so bad wording. the joker is a a very complex character, i just think that edward norton needs different motivation to be a villian.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jan 4, 2006 12:28:19 GMT -5
Edward Norton, IMO, should play Batman. Physically, I think he's very suited for the role. He's been, in recent comics, protrayed as tall and thin. He's also close to Bale's age, which is true to the character since they knew each other when they were kids and Roman Sionis is protrayed as a "dark reflection" of Bruce Wayne. Since it's rumored that Roman Sionis (pre-Black Mask) will be involved in the sequel's story, I think it's very important to see the man behind the mask (much like Crane and Scarecrow in Begins)
He can definitely play a villain. And most of all, he's got the voice and the screen presence to be able to seem intimidating beneath a full face mask. In Kingdom of Heaven, he played the leper King Baldwin. We never saw Norton's face (nor is one able to tell that it's Edward Norton unless they read the credits). We only heard his voice through the mask and it was distinctive and even creepy (for a benevolent character). There is a scene in which he berates Brendan Gleeson's character. You really feel a sense of his character's power and also get a nice taste of Norton's creepy voice when he's ready to do some harm (His "On your knees" is haunting. Any other actor would've yelled it, but Norton's flowing whisper really carried through the scene.
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