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Post by arkhaminmate on Jan 5, 2006 18:11:51 GMT -5
Hm... Edward Nortan could be a very good Black Mask indeed. I need to check out Kingdom of Heaven.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 6, 2006 14:03:32 GMT -5
For some reason, (to me anyway) The Penquin has been and always will be (to me) the lamest of all Bat-villians. I think it would be great if he wasn't in the Bat-films ever again, I would rather see Calender Man, Nocturna, or Film Freak over The Penquin. And I think I owe alot of my impression of who The Penquin is today to Tim Burton, who turned him into a mutated monster, which was very dumb, so no matter how hard I try to give him another shot, he just turns out to be lame in my mind. I think The Penquin worked well in the 30's, 40's, 50's, & 60's because he was such a goofy character, but because of Burton and the way we view stuff today I don't think he works at all. I know he is portrayed as Big Mob type boss and runs The Ice Burge Lounge and all, but the image I have of him won't allow me to accept The Penquin ever again, so for me NO PENQUIN ever again!
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 7, 2006 15:50:10 GMT -5
that is the exact reason why i would like to see the character done correctly.
i comic book penguin and the animated series penguin, good stuff if it was portrayed correctly.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jan 7, 2006 18:20:06 GMT -5
In terms of Penguin's character, I hope that he is protrayed as intriguing, mysterious, and somewhat menacing in the rumored British arms dealer cameo. It's impossible for Nolan to rehash Burton's Penguin, who belonged in Burton's Batmanverse. Plus, it simply goes against Nolan's realism aspect since it's pretty far fetched. But I'd like Nolan to go for something just as interesting with some added depth to the character.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 7, 2006 21:13:49 GMT -5
For Penguin's character, I'd like to see him as a sophisticated person to the public, but a crime boss who sells guns hidden in umbrellas to criminals to the underworld.
And for the love of god, please keep this Penguin as far away from the Burton Penguin as possible! Please!
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jan 9, 2006 0:39:56 GMT -5
Manip by drknight at the SHH forums. I thought my Hoffman-supporting buddies would like to see a manip of what he could look like in Penguin get-up.
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Post by DBrennan3333 on Jan 16, 2006 2:39:35 GMT -5
Hoskins as a British arms dealer. Best idea here, IMO, by far. He'd have to be associated with the British military to get any arms because actual guns are virtually forbidden in England.
As for that other actor suggested for the role? No matter how good an actor he might be, no matter how much makeup they put on or how menacing the outfit....I could never, ever buy Phillip Seymour Hoffman as a mob leader, arms dealer, or any other role where his character willingly puts himself in a dangerous situation. He looks like a very nice but also a very timid man. No way in hell.
(This is probably just common sense, but I think that the term 'Penguin' should just be his alias in arms dealings or the name of the dummy corporation he uses to launder the profits from the arms sales. I don't think it should be given because he waddles or has duck-feet or anything.)
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Jan 30, 2006 19:53:02 GMT -5
Hoskins makes more sense right off the bat, but the more I mull it over in me noodle the more easily Hoffman begins to fit into the role. Especially after seeing him play Truman Capote. They're both talented actors and I have faith in Nolan/Goyer that they'll deliver a decent flick regardless of who plays the Penguin.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Feb 14, 2006 16:14:22 GMT -5
Indeed. Well said Brendan & Ralph. Anywho, the manip of Hoffman was quite amusing, I found it quite funny. Was the manip intended as a joke or as what someone thought he should look like?
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Post by BatmAngelus on Feb 14, 2006 18:11:23 GMT -5
^ It was a serious attempt. The artist actually made that before Hoffman was rumored to be in contention for the role.
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Post by Wayne Corp on Feb 14, 2006 20:23:11 GMT -5
i just don't think i like the idea of hoffman as the penguin. IMO he hasnt got all the elements, ie. he is not intellectual enough (not to insult his intellect, just going on his previous roles.) and i do not find him scary in that mob boss way, sort of powerful scary....
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Post by BatmAngelus on Feb 26, 2006 14:09:33 GMT -5
I saw Capote last night and while I still like the idea of Hoskins better, I can't say I'd be unhappy if Hoffman were cast. He's definitely got range and screen presence. He also seems to specialize in changing his looks for every role (which reminds me of Gary Oldman). I can easily imagine him changing his looks (i.e. dying his hair black) to better fit the role. If they stick with the British arms dealer, I can see him fake the British accent as well. But he's definitely the type of the actor with the range to do whatever protrayal the script calls for. So for me, it's a win-win situation for Penguin rumors at the moment.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Mar 20, 2006 17:14:22 GMT -5
I saw Capote last night and while I still like the idea of Hoskins better, I can't say I'd be unhappy if Hoffman were cast. He's definitely got range and screen presence. He also seems to specialize in changing his looks for every role (which reminds me of Gary Oldman). I can easily imagine him changing his looks (i.e. dying his hair black) to better fit the role. If they stick with the British arms dealer, I can see him fake the British accent as well. But he's definitely the type of the actor with the range to do whatever protrayal the script calls for. So for me, it's a win-win situation for Penguin rumors at the moment. Exactly. From what I've seen of Hoffman he is a chameleon like Oldman. & just as you said, either way I'll be happy. Hoskins or Hoffman it'll be great
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Post by Batleaf93 on Apr 19, 2006 10:09:11 GMT -5
How about robin williams as the penguin!
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Post by jabsy on Apr 19, 2006 10:36:54 GMT -5
How about robin williams as the penguin! Now that makes more sense to me!
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Post by Batlaw on Apr 19, 2006 10:51:41 GMT -5
How about robin williams as the penguin! Ya know, with a little CGI / ala LOTR "shrinkage", I'd be all for it! Just picturing and remembering his "Popeye" face and taking into account his older, rounder appearance amkes me think it could possibly be great (as long as he "downplays" himself and the performance)
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Post by J-Man on Apr 19, 2006 11:28:41 GMT -5
How about robin williams as the penguin! [shadow=purple,left,300]That's the only part I could see him as, imo. And it might actually work![/shadow]
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Post by All Star Batman on Apr 19, 2006 16:28:18 GMT -5
What about the Ventriloquist? He could probably do a good voice for Scarface.
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Post by Faithfulbutler on Apr 19, 2006 19:17:36 GMT -5
(as long as he "downplays" himself and the performance) That's the biggest challenge with dealing with an Actor such as him.Don't get me wrong i like Robin Williams but he's the sort of Actor that given an outlandish part like Penguin he would suck up all the attention and just be too over the top IMO. It's a nice thought but really i don't think so myself.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Apr 19, 2006 22:46:38 GMT -5
I can't see Robin Williams as Penguin. He may be able to pull it off. I just can't see him as the British arms trader that BB2 is supposed to have. It is too small a role, I don't think he can get a good accent.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Apr 19, 2006 22:51:34 GMT -5
How about robin williams as the penguin! Ya know, with a little CGI / ala LOTR "shrinkage", I'd be all for it! Just picturing and remembering his "Popeye" face and taking into account his older, rounder appearance amkes me think it could possibly be great (as long as he "downplays" himself and the performance) As much as I love LOTR, I found the height issue too inconsistent. They utilized many different ways to do so and they all work, but each works differently. It has to due with shoulder size. The width is different when they proportional shrunk the hobbits and when they just had them stand on there knees. It isn't a big thing, but I really notice these things.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Apr 20, 2006 12:37:18 GMT -5
I could see Williams pull off the Penguin. The man has a knack for voices, so I don't think he'd have a problem with a Brit accent. Still, I think Ventriloquist is the best role for him. I also think that there are more suitable actors for Penguin (Hoskins, Hoffman, Jim Broadbent, David Suchet...).
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Post by enchantaurora on Apr 24, 2006 18:29:10 GMT -5
Ya know, with a little CGI / ala LOTR "shrinkage", I'd be all for it! Just picturing and remembering his "Popeye" face and taking into account his older, rounder appearance amkes me think it could possibly be great (as long as he "downplays" himself and the performance) As much as I love LOTR, I found the height issue too inconsistent. They utilized many different ways to do so and they all work, but each works differently. It has to due with shoulder size. The width is different when they proportional shrunk the hobbits and when they just had them stand on there knees. It isn't a big thing, but I really notice these things. Wow. I never noticed that. I think that ventriloquist is the best role for Robin Williams. Actually I wouldn't mind that at all, no not at all.
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Post by m.arndt on Apr 29, 2006 6:41:18 GMT -5
Manip by drknight at the SHH forums. I thought my Hoffman-supporting buddies would like to see a manip of what he could look like in Penguin get-up. Yes I realize the photo-manip was done to simply show that Hoffman could be made to look like the Penguin, however: Whoever gets the role, I hope they don't give the actor a nose like that and he looks normal without any distinctive facial features such as the "beak-like nose". I love the more believable take Nolan & Goyer are doing with Batman Begins, and I think that type of nose is just too much camp. That type of nose better suits the cartoons or Burgess Merideth's version of the character IMO.
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Post by J-Man on Apr 29, 2006 10:14:35 GMT -5
Yes I realize the photo-manip was done to simply show that Hoffman could be made to look like the Penguin, however: Whoever gets the role, I hope they don't give the actor a nose like that and he looks normal without any distinctive facial features such as the "beak-like nose". I love the more believable take Nolan & Goyer are doing with Batman Begins, and I think that type of nose is just too much camp. That type of nose better suits the cartoons or Burgess Merideth's version of the character IMO. [shadow=purple,left,300]Then they might as well not call him the Penguin. And while they're at it, the Joker shouldn't have a menacing grin, either. They shouldn't sacrifice character trademarks for some director's vision. The director should realize the source material and be able to work with it. Penguin's always had the beaky nose and short, fat, Penguin-like stature. That's why he was called 'Penguin.'[/shadow]
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Post by arkhaminmate on Apr 29, 2006 12:45:26 GMT -5
Yes I realize the photo-manip was done to simply show that Hoffman could be made to look like the Penguin, however: Whoever gets the role, I hope they don't give the actor a nose like that and he looks normal without any distinctive facial features such as the "beak-like nose". I love the more believable take Nolan & Goyer are doing with Batman Begins, and I think that type of nose is just too much camp. That type of nose better suits the cartoons or Burgess Merideth's version of the character IMO. [shadow=purple,left,300]Then they might as well not call him the Penguin. And while they're at it, the Joker shouldn't have a menacing grin, either. They shouldn't sacrifice character trademarks for some director's vision. The director should realize the source material and be able to work with it. Penguin's always had the beaky nose and short, fat, Penguin-like stature. That's why he was called 'Penguin.'[/shadow]This has been discussed before. Penguin will probably be an alias underwhich he does his dirty work, & he is otherwise most likely called Oswald. Although I doubt Nolan will forget about the trademarks, he will make it true to the character.
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Post by All Star Batman on Apr 29, 2006 13:49:28 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Then they might as well not call him the Penguin. And while they're at it, the Joker shouldn't have a menacing grin, either. They shouldn't sacrifice character trademarks for some director's vision. The director should realize the source material and be able to work with it. Penguin's always had the beaky nose and short, fat, Penguin-like stature. That's why he was called 'Penguin.'[/shadow] This has been discussed before. Penguin will probably be an alias underwhich he does his dirty work, & he is otherwise most likely called Oswald. Although I doubt Nolan will forget about the trademarks, he will make it true to the character. Yeah, but he originally didn't want Cillian Murphy to wear a burlap bag or be called the Scarecrow, but luckily Goyer's there too. We don't have anything to worry about with these two working on Batman.
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Post by arkhaminmate on Apr 29, 2006 20:30:37 GMT -5
This has been discussed before. Penguin will probably be an alias underwhich he does his dirty work, & he is otherwise most likely called Oswald. Although I doubt Nolan will forget about the trademarks, he will make it true to the character. Yeah, but he originally didn't want Cillian Murphy to wear a burlap bag or be called the Scarecrow, but luckily Goyer's there too. We don't have anything to worry about with these two working on Batman. really? I had no idea. He really WAS going for realism
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Post by m.arndt on Apr 30, 2006 8:10:12 GMT -5
I simply don't think the nose should be so obviously fake is all. I personally don't want him to look like Steve Martin in Roxanne. Can't he just have a big nose without it being as long and narrow as a pool skimmer? I guess I think Joker shouldn't have a white face either
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Post by arkhaminmate on May 7, 2006 15:20:39 GMT -5
I saw Mission Impossible 3 & Capote recently. I have no doubt that Phillip Seymore Hoffman should nab the role of The Penguin. He's a cemeleon just like Gary Oldman, I have no concern about his acting, just about the look of the character.
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