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Post by MasterofFear on Sept 13, 2006 17:27:06 GMT -5
I am in no sense a newcomer to this site but the one thing i have been wondering for two years is.. What is the bat-embargo
please elaborate.
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 13, 2006 18:53:32 GMT -5
This whole thing kind of started with Begins. It said no Batman villains from The Batman or Begins could appear in JLU. It also said that no villains from Begins could be on The Batman. That's pretty much it all in a nutshell.
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Post by Blackgate on Sept 13, 2006 18:59:18 GMT -5
Thats wierd, what wil happen whith the joker being on the dark Knight? not to mention all the other villains that will be in future sequals
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Post by coliv1977 on Sept 13, 2006 19:22:10 GMT -5
This whole thing kind of started with Begins. It said no Batman villains from The Batman or Begins could appear in JLU. It also said that no villains from Begins could be on The Batman. That's pretty much it all in a nutshell. So Scarecrow won't be on The Batman? Oh well, that sucks
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Sept 13, 2006 22:04:27 GMT -5
Well, exactly where and when the bat embargo is subject to debate. But as far as the restrictions, it has been even more consuming that many realize. I recently read that the producers of Smallville were going to have their show based on Bruce Wayne as a teenager originally. Because the embargo, they were not allowed. He is not allowed to guest star either. The amount of time required for the main villains from Begins is not clear. There has been no word on what will happen when TDK comes out concerning The Batman. It is the reason that JLU could no longer use Batman villains even though they had wanted to use Riddler and Scarecrow for the Legion.
Aquaman and all of his characters were no longer allowed on JLU because of the Aquaman Mercy Reef show that was being developed. A pilot was produced but was not picked up due to lack of time for the soon to be formed CW.
The embargo does not apply to Superman at all. The only thing that is no longer allowed is the inclusion of Superboy, or more specifically, the title of Superboy. Other then him, all Superman property can be used. I found all of this on Superboy from Wikipedia, though I don't recall where. I think that is all.
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Post by All Star Batman on Sept 14, 2006 18:43:14 GMT -5
The embargo does not apply to Superman at all. The only thing that is no longer allowed is the inclusion of Superboy, or more specifically, the title of Superboy. Other then him, all Superman property can be used. I found all of this on Superboy from Wikipedia, though I don't recall where. I think that is all. That would explain why they changed it for LOSH. It was supposed to Superboy, but they changed it to Superman.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Sept 14, 2006 22:07:17 GMT -5
The embargo does not apply to Superman at all. The only thing that is no longer allowed is the inclusion of Superboy, or more specifically, the title of Superboy. Other then him, all Superman property can be used. I found all of this on Superboy from Wikipedia, though I don't recall where. I think that is all. That would explain why they changed it for LOSH. It was supposed to Superboy, but they changed it to Superman. Precisely. Smallville is in no danger over this because he is never actually referred to as Superboy.
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Post by Batlaw on Sept 15, 2006 17:11:18 GMT -5
Actually, although it's true the concept of Smallville originated as basically "The Young Bruce Wayne Chronicles". The reasons behind it's evolution into being about a young Clark Kent are numerous and varried... but had anything to do with any "Bat-Embargo".
The dreaded "Bat-Embargo" as it has become known, actually came about as a result of new licensing and rights deals struck for The Batman cartoon as well as the Batman Begins movie.
These deals made virtually anything and everything Batman and Batman related exclusive to the new cartoon The Batman. With the apparent exception of the characters Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul which were exclusive to the Batman Begins Film.
At the time, Batman was staring regularly on the Justice League cartoon along with recurring appearances and references to many other Bat-related characters, places and things. The new "deals" meant that could no longer happen. The one and only exception to this was the character of Batman himself. Whatever the particulars, Batman was permitted to continue appearing on JLU but Batman's overall role and presence became noticeably less. Likewise, the sting of JLU not being able to use Batman villains, supporting cast, or even make references to Gotham City or his alter ego was evident. Naturally this "embargo" was also extended to toys and everything else. Such as prohibiting any appearance of Bruce Wane/Batman on Smallville. This understandably annoyed and angered many fans who considered the Batman of JLU, and by extension the "Timm-Verse" as a whole, to be a superior product compared to The Batman. But there were more fan grievences (and rightfully so) than just that alone. But that was the primary effect being felt.
As stated above, a similar "embargo" of sorts followed soon afterwords regarding Aquaman once interest in his character started heating up. The wheels were also starting to turn in that direction for Wonder Woman and the Flash too as their properties started gaining steam in Hollywood.
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Sept 20, 2006 19:58:12 GMT -5
Im still kinda angry that nothing of Superman was put under embargo. What makes him so much better than Batman that kids wont get his franchises mixed up where wb thinks that kids will get Batmans franchises mixed up ? They should have atleast let the Joker not come under the embargo. Every hero in JLU got their main adversary except Batman, it sucked.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Sept 21, 2006 21:40:06 GMT -5
Did all of the JLU characters get their main adversary? I don't really know who that would be for J'onn or Hawkgirl. GL had Sinestro, Superman had Luthor, Flash had about all of his villains, Wonder Woman had Cheetah, and Aquaman had Black Manta (sort of). I don't know. You may be right. I think I need to do some more research on my comics history.
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