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Post by J-Man on Jan 8, 2006 21:02:27 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Okay, this board's getting filled with villain coverage and discussion. This thread serves as the general villain discussion thread, to avoid confusion and cluttering of this precious board. Talk about who you want to see in future installments, what can and can't be accomplished in Nolan's new Bat universe, which classic supporting players should appear, etc. This is mainly for villains and characters other than the Joker, Penguin or Two-Face (who have their own threads at the top of the forum).[/shadow]
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Post by Hush Riddler on Jan 8, 2006 22:39:47 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Yea so I'd like to see either Two-Face or clayface. 1st I'd like to see Two-Face because the "batman Forever" movie showed no friendship connection between Harvey and Bruce. yea, they did, but they didn't emphasize it. Like, there were no points where Bruce tried to help Harvey with his skizophrenic disorder. They should scrap that (even though it had the awesome and talented JIM CAREY playing the awesome and talented RIDDLER) and make a movie JUST ABOUT TWO FACE... with no other villains teaming up with him.
2nd I'd like to see Clayface because even though he's a minor character, he's been done over in animations so many times, but I'd like to see the hideous clay monster brought to life. LETS SEE WHAT HOLLYWOOD CAN REALLY DO!!![/shadow]
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 9, 2006 9:26:57 GMT -5
This isn't one of those what major villian should be in the next Batman movie, but rather I was wondering who everybody would like to see in the next Batman movies that are supporting characters in the Batman comic books? Whether it be good or bad supporting characters who would you all like to see?
Although she wasn't in any of the movies I think that it would have been important to show Leslie Thompkins, she played a huge role in Bruce Wayne's life in his younger years right up until she was responsible in the death of The Spoiler (Stephanie Brown)
Another supporting character that would be great to see in Villian form similar to how Mr. Zsaas was used in Batman Begins would be The Film Freak, I just think it is the coolest thing in movies when you recognize names from the comics instead of made up names.
Those are two that I am thinking of, of course there are more in mind but I am curious as too what other L.O.G. members are thinking
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Post by Hush Riddler on Jan 9, 2006 20:33:42 GMT -5
That's a good idea. I'd like to not only as well see Leslie Thompkins in this (whom I think would be great being played by Maggie Smith,) but I'd really like to see Nightwing maybe appear in the final Batman movie, along with a new Robin... maybe they could skip right into Cassandra Cain, who was Robin IV. At least, I think it was Cassandra Cain. Here's what I'd like to see as far as films go:
Batman Begins: No sidekick, introduces Lucius Fox, Batman begins his crime-fighting legacy. Batman Begins 2: Joker (def), possibly introduce Leslie Thompkins, Batman still has no sidekick... AND DON'T LET THE JOKER DIE THIS TIME! Batman Begins 3: New villain, possibly bring in Robin, definatly bring in Leslie Thompkins by now... Batman Begins 4: New villain, Robin should be with Batman by now, maybe a return of Rah's Al Ghul in addition to Gotham being terrorized by this new villain (Freeze, Two-Face, etc.) Batman Begins 5: New villain, Robin is still Robin but the Bat and Bird relationship should be getting stressful by now... good time to introduce Batgirl.
They can make as many new batman movies as they want until the last one...
LAST BATMAN MOVIE: Return of the JOKER! (not like in Batman Beyond, but just the Joker springing from Arkham): This movie should def have Harley Quinn, Nightwing, Dr. Leslie Thompkins, Alfred, Commish, Batgirl and a New Robin!
Now they def. aren't going to be titled like this and there probably arent going to be that many Batman movies, but however I think this is what they should cover by the time they stop making them, even if it is a little rushed
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 9, 2006 22:18:29 GMT -5
I'd like a little foreshadowing in BB2, with an add for the circus with the Graysons as the headliners. And in the third one, the Graysons are killed and Dick is left an orphan.(I'll bring in Zucco, for those who didn't like the Two-Face twist from Forever.) I'd give it a little Dark Victory feel, with Dick feeling like he doesn't belong and Bruce not lettting him join until he finally helps him out as Robin.
And at the end of the third one, after they bring Two-Face, Black Mask, and Zucco in, Batman gives Robin the pledge.(Just to let you know, I'd give Robin the Tim Drake costume. Sorry to the old time fans, but I just don't see the old costume working for a live action movie.)
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jan 10, 2006 0:23:40 GMT -5
^ Love the idea. ;D Here's a hero for that.
And I agree, the "old costume" would never work in a modern day live action film. Even Schumacher knew that!
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 10, 2006 9:42:27 GMT -5
I agree with Robin's old style costume not working in any Batman film today. Just look at how out of place it looked when Chris O'Donnell wore a somewhat Old School Robin costume when he had to rescue Batman in Batman Forever. It just didn't look right, and what Schumacher did with the Robin costume at the end of the film was a HUGE improvement.
I think the new Robin Costume that is going to be introduced in the comics soon (and from the new animated series) would work really well in a Nolan Batman movie
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 10, 2006 9:44:19 GMT -5
I was thinking about The Mad Hatter again if he was used in a minor role, what about David Spade?
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Post by SRA on Jan 10, 2006 9:57:04 GMT -5
I would love Poison Ivy to appear in the new batman films but i dont think she will be!! Marcia Cross { desperate housewives Bree would be good!!} but i would love to see Catwoman and Harley in the new films as well!! Also last year i was on BOF and i read something bout a british mob boss i istantly thought of the Penguin but never said anything { maybe it was like a premonition}!! I wonder what villainess will appear in the bat films? SRA
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 10, 2006 13:21:13 GMT -5
excellent thread guys. first off i would like to ask you all a question. do you think they could bring back ra's in nolans new batverse? i mean, he is for realism and bringing back someone from the dead or making someone almost immortal as ra's is in the comic books would be very tricky....
would also like to say that i would love to see a proper robin, done correctly but will be sad so see it come because nolan has said in many interviews that he does not see himself around to see the introduction of a robin.
knowing that two-face is going to be in the movies and hearing the talks of having harvey dent for a whole film, makes it more likely that we will see a good wayne dent relationship.
lastly, if they were to bring back ra's, (i do not know if this is what you meant ultimateriddler) with a character being used in the same way the scarcrow was, mr freeze could be made into a pawn for a good introduction/reinvention.
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 10, 2006 17:31:51 GMT -5
That's a good idea. I'd like to not only as well see Leslie Thompkins in this (whom I think would be great being played by Maggie Smith,) but I'd really like to see Nightwing maybe appear in the final Batman movie, along with a new Robin... maybe they could skip right into Cassandra Cain, who was Robin IV. At least, I think it was Cassandra Cain. Here's what I'd like to see as far as films go: Batman Begins: No sidekick, introduces Lucius Fox, Batman begins his crime-fighting legacy. Batman Begins 2: Joker (def), possibly introduce Leslie Thompkins, Batman still has no sidekick... AND DON'T LET THE JOKER DIE THIS TIME! Batman Begins 3: New villain, possibly bring in Robin, definatly bring in Leslie Thompkins by now... Batman Begins 4: New villain, Robin should be with Batman by now, maybe a return of Rah's Al Ghul in addition to Gotham being terrorized by this new villain (Freeze, Two-Face, etc.) Batman Begins 5: New villain, Robin is still Robin but the Bat and Bird relationship should be getting stressful by now... good time to introduce Batgirl. They can make as many new batman movies as they want until the last one... LAST BATMAN MOVIE: Return of the JOKER! (not like in Batman Beyond, but just the Joker springing from Arkham): This movie should def have Harley Quinn, Nightwing, Dr. Leslie Thompkins, Alfred, Commish, Batgirl and a New Robin! Now they def. aren't going to be titled like this and there probably arent going to be that many Batman movies, but however I think this is what they should cover by the time they stop making them, even if it is a little rushed I like most of the stuff you are talking about, but they should never bring in Batgirl, she is such an annoying distraction and takes away from the Bruce and Dick relationship. I think if another hero is brought in, it should only be Dick Grayson as Robin and leave it at that. And I wouldn't want to see Harley Quinn either, she takes away from that insane crazy Joker that I Love and with Harley in the film she makes him a bit sane and human and that is something I don't want. But I respect your decision and what you are saying...
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 10, 2006 17:33:24 GMT -5
I would love Poison Ivy to appear in the new batman films but i dont think she will be!! Marcia Cross { desperate housewives Bree would be good!!} but i would love to see Catwoman and Harley in the new films as well!! Also last year i was on BOF and i read something bout a british mob boss i istantly thought of the Penguin but never said anything { maybe it was like a premonition}!! I wonder what villainess will appear in the bat films? SRA What did you think of Uma Thurman's performance as Poison Ivy? And would you welcome her back as Poison Ivy? I thought she was the only bright spot in B & R as P.I. But if not I think your suggestion of Marcia Cross is a great one.
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Post by All Star Batman on Jan 10, 2006 19:28:54 GMT -5
I agree with Robin's old style costume not working in any Batman film today. Just look at how out of place it looked when Chris O'Donnell wore a somewhat Old School Robin costume when he had to rescue Batman in Batman Forever. It just didn't look right, and what Schumacher did with the Robin costume at the end of the film was a HUGE improvement.
I think the new Robin Costume that is going to be introduced in the comics soon (and from the new animated series) would work really well in a Nolan Batman movie Now that I think about it, I think that the upcoming costume for Robin would work great for the movies. Red and Black= Very Dark.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 10, 2006 22:38:43 GMT -5
Still, what would Robin wear? The usual rubber or armor? I don't think that red armor would be a great 'sidekick' color (in real life). I really like the new comic ones without too much if any green in it now
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 10, 2006 22:40:19 GMT -5
[shadow=green,left,300]Yea so I'd like to see either Two-Face or clayface. 1st I'd like to see Two-Face because the "batman Forever" movie showed no friendship connection between Harvey and Bruce. yea, they did, but they didn't emphasize it. Like, there were no points where Bruce tried to help Harvey with his skizophrenic disorder. They should scrap that (even though it had the awesome and talented JIM CAREY playing the awesome and talented RIDDLER) and make a movie JUST ABOUT TWO FACE... with no other villains teaming up with him. 2nd I'd like to see Clayface because even though he's a minor character, he's been done over in animations so many times, but I'd like to see the hideous clay monster brought to life. LETS SEE WHAT HOLLYWOOD CAN REALLY DO!!![/shadow] Yes! I love the Clayface and TwoFace idea! Both were tormented to become creatures that they couldn't control! I'd like to see Hollywood pull this one off. Seeing King Kong's magic and Aslan's stunning appearance, I bet they would do a pretty good job
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Post by SRA on Jan 11, 2006 9:27:40 GMT -5
I would love Poison Ivy to appear in the new batman films but i dont think she will be!! Marcia Cross { desperate housewives Bree would be good!!} but i would love to see Catwoman and Harley in the new films as well!! Also last year i was on BOF and i read something bout a british mob boss i istantly thought of the Penguin but never said anything { maybe it was like a premonition}!! I wonder what villainess will appear in the bat films? SRA What did you think of Uma Thurman's performance as Poison Ivy? And would you welcome her back as Poison Ivy? I thought she was the only bright spot in B & R as P.I. But if not I think your suggestion of Marcia Cross is a great one. Well in my own view {after watching it a few weeks ago} - Batman and Robin - was not as bad as what i thought it was and yes it was over the top but i agree that Uma did get some of the P.I. character however i just loved the BTAS version of her - she had the right voice, looks and costume and was not too out of this world {in her first episode Pretty Poison}!
I was thinking about Catwoman and i hope they can find someone who can make a perfect job of that character just like Michelle Pfeiffer did!
And as for Harley she would have to please so many fans as well but i hope her origin is really dark as with all the other characters!
SRA
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 11, 2006 12:02:49 GMT -5
Still, what would Robin wear? The usual rubber or armor? I don't think that red armor would be a great 'sidekick' color (in real life). I really like the new comic ones without too much if any green in it now I think they should go with what they did with the Begins costume for Batman, but just transition it to Robin's costume. And go with the "new" comics version costume, but perhaps have it be a blood red or maroon and not just red, needs to be dark. ---------------
What did you think of Uma Thurman's performance as Poison Ivy? And would you welcome her back as Poison Ivy? I thought she was the only bright spot in B & R as P.I. But if not I think your suggestion of Marcia Cross is a great one. Well in my own view {after watching it a few weeks ago} - Batman and Robin - was not as bad as what i thought it was and yes it was over the top but i agree that Uma did get some of the P.I. character however i just loved the BTAS version of her - she had the right voice, looks and costume and was not too out of this world {in her first episode Pretty Poison}!
I was thinking about Catwoman and i hope they can find someone who can make a perfect job of that character just like Michelle Pfeiffer did!
And as for Harley she would have to please so many fans as well but i hope her origin is really dark as with all the other characters!
SRA Poison Ivy is a great character and some of her best appearences are from The Animated Series, sometimes I don't think she comes off good enough in the comics, every once in awhile, but she came off greatest in the animated series.
Catwoman would be nice to see in the films, and they have to get a great actress to play her. I have heard many people wanting Angelina Jolie (and for Talia), but I think she would be a horrible choice, granted she has the looks and all, but she doesn't in my opinion have the acting chops to really bring either of those great characters to life. I have heard Christian Ricci's name thrown out there to play the role as well and I think she is very beautiful and can act and would make a great choice for Catwoman. Other actresses that come to mind are: Ashley Judd, Rachel Weiss, Kiera Knightley.
And Harley Quinn is not a favorite of mine (along w/Batgirl) and I would be happy if she didn't show up in the films at all. -------------------
Batman has "THE" greatest Rogue's Gallery and as much as we all want to see every single villian or villaness in the films it isn't possibly, unless they can do what the James Bond films have been able to do and throw out a great quality Bond film every few years, and if Batman can do that, I would love to see every single main villian on the big screen and getting quality screen time without losing anything.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 11, 2006 19:51:01 GMT -5
Ehh Uma Thurman did an alright job trying to fake of actually being a good 'seductress' and 'sexy' person
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Post by Wayne Corp on Jan 11, 2006 23:31:12 GMT -5
jessica alba did a better job of playing poison ivy in sin city (I.O.W. she was seductive) than uma did in B & R....
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Post by Mr. Terrific on Jan 12, 2006 14:07:25 GMT -5
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Post by jasontodd2 on Jan 12, 2006 14:45:40 GMT -5
HOLY CRAP is right, I read that report earlier, and how freaking amazing would that be if they could get Johnny Depp to play The Joker? ? ? It would so rule, I might even forget about my pick of Crispin Glover in the role. Johnny Depp can take any part and make it that much better, if Depp is cast as The Joker he could be (IMO) the greatest actor to take on the role, and I haven't even seen him in the part yet.
As for Rachel Wiess possibly playing Talia, great solid choice, she is gorgeous and has the acting chops to pull off an amazing role.
My fingers are crossed for both of them to be cast in Batman Begins 2 or as I have heard rumored Batman: The Killing Joke
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Post by J-Man on Jan 12, 2006 19:16:44 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]I highly doubt anything in that article is true, BUT I think Rachel Weisz is an excellent choice for Talia, and Johnny Depp is a very good choice for the Joker.[/shadow]
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 13, 2006 16:38:36 GMT -5
Rachel Weisz is just an awesome actress IMO and I think she would have played the perfect role. Jessica Alba as Poison Ivy? She can seduce but with her skin tone and bright red hair? o_0 Kind of hard to walk into
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Post by DBrennan3333 on Jan 16, 2006 6:12:53 GMT -5
Has anybody noted the dichotomy between these villians - which were created for a more cartoon-y Batman for a more playful time - and the movie, which is supposed to be realistic? They're going to have to really, really stretch to make these villians conform to their practical and vaguely-plausible world.
Getting these villians into this Batman universe is going to be like getting a Monster Truck into the Indy 500....possible, but is it really necessary? Why not just create characters for this universe?
I think the Robin outfit which debuted in Batman 457 and was used for the next five years (possibly longer, I stopped reading the comics in '96) is perfect. I actually think that that's the greatest get-up in comic books. The Joel Schumacher movies might be a blight on the history of mankind, but it got THAT aspect right (in 'Batman Forever,' they mutated it in 'Batman and Robin.')
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Post by mazman13 on Jan 24, 2006 20:51:40 GMT -5
I want to see Scarface as a villian in an upcoming Batman movie. I think he's one of the best newest villians that DC has brought out. He's almost classic, in my mind. I can't think of anyone who can play him...just without thinking...Anthony Hopkins? I don't know. I just came up with that on the top of my head. But I would def like to see Scarface.
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Post by BatmAngelus on Jan 24, 2006 23:02:09 GMT -5
How about Paul Giamatti? He can play quiet and shy for Wesker and loud and bombastic for the Scarface voice.
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Post by mazman13 on Jan 26, 2006 14:54:03 GMT -5
I didn't think about him. Thats a good idea. He's got the voice for it and he's also got the look. Not a bad idea.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jan 26, 2006 23:10:38 GMT -5
Scarface is one of my favorites too And I dont know about Anthony Hopkins, but I would find a quiet rather middle aged man iwth a sad expression to make the casting if Scarface were to take over.
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Post by Ralph Nigma on Jan 30, 2006 20:09:40 GMT -5
Oh, man. Granted, Scarface probably doesn't fit into the more "real-world" view that the new movies are supposed to take on, but I almost chuckled out loud thinking about how great Paul Giamatti would be as Wesker/Scarface. The faces he makes, his voice... I mean, we've seen him do goofy, shouting angry roles all over the place, but we've also seen him do a more world-weary type of character in American Splendor. I'd be amused, to say the least, if that were to happen. I think that's on the "Ralph's Casting Wish-List" along with Ben Kingsley for Freeze and Ron Perlman for Croc.
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Post by HUSH on Feb 6, 2006 23:19:31 GMT -5
I think all of the villains in the upcoming films should lean more toward the insane or evil side than the sci-fi. I don't particularly want to see Mr. Freeze, Croc, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat, Clayface, etc. We know we're gonna see Joker(#2) and Two-Face(#3), and film #2 may have *SPOILERS* Black Mask and Penguin(highlight to read), but I also really want to see Catwoman in one or both of the upcoming films. I'd want to see her like she was portrayed in The Long Halloween. Besides, if they want Batman to have a love interest in the upcoming films, why do more with Rachel, or bring in a new character, when they could use Batman's ultimate love interest?
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