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Post by Batlaw on Apr 28, 2006 17:26:11 GMT -5
Her character never shoulda been engineered to begin with.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Apr 28, 2006 17:33:31 GMT -5
I know I know ,I mean it would of been a better ending if at the end of begins when rachel talks about bruce being batman near the well,that bruce pick her up drop her down the well and then continue to board up the well!!! ;D
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Post by theclayface on May 13, 2006 16:19:56 GMT -5
I know I know ,I mean it would of been a better ending if at the end of begins when rachel talks about bruce being batman near the well,that bruce pick her up drop her down the well and then continue to board up the well!!! ;D ha thats the funnist thing i've read all day, that should of happened.
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Post by vishman007 on May 13, 2006 19:01:41 GMT -5
what if rachel becomes two-face? she's bruce's friend, works for the DA's office...
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Post by All Star Batman on May 13, 2006 19:03:36 GMT -5
what if rachel becomes two-face? she's bruce's friend, works for the DA's office... NO.You're joking right?
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Post by Faithfulbutler on May 14, 2006 19:18:49 GMT -5
I mean it would of been a better ending if at the end of begins when rachel talks about bruce being batman near the well,that bruce pick her up drop her down the well and then continue to board up the well!!! LOL,that's a cracker!Now that's a scene i would have loved!Good one Jack-Ups
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Post by All Star Batman on May 14, 2006 19:39:06 GMT -5
I know I know ,I mean it would of been a better ending if at the end of begins when rachel talks about bruce being batman near the well,that bruce pick her up drop her down the well and then continue to board up the well!!! ;D HA HA! Good one. And later in the series, while Dick's looking around the Batcave and sees her skeleton, he says "Who's that?" and Bruce would say "No one. Just keep walking."
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Post by The Dark Knight on May 14, 2006 21:19:14 GMT -5
I know I know ,I mean it would of been a better ending if at the end of begins when rachel talks about bruce being batman near the well,that bruce pick her up drop her down the well and then continue to board up the well!!! ;D HA HA! Good one. And later in the series, while Dick's looking around the Batcave and sees her skeleton, he says "Who's that?" and Bruce would say "No one. Just keep walking."
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Post by JokerFC on May 17, 2006 14:51:26 GMT -5
Her character never shoulda been engineered to begin with. ah... the voice of sanity.she serves one purpose now-to be killed by Joker and it COULD be offscreen-in between movies.I doubt Holmes will be back myself but the ONLY purpose she serves is to be killed by Mr J and start the deeply personal hatred Bats and Joker have for one another
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Post by Jack-Ups on May 18, 2006 11:31:05 GMT -5
hA HA Man watching Holmes now she really isnt that good of an actor anyway!!
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Post by arkhaminmate on Jul 20, 2006 20:37:34 GMT -5
Whatsename that played Betty Ross in the Hulk wouldn't be half bad as Dawes in the sequal. Although I would prefer she gets killed by the Joker, which plays a role in what I think should be in the sequal.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 21, 2006 4:54:26 GMT -5
Whatsename that played Betty Ross in the Hulk wouldn't be half bad as Dawes in the sequal. Although I would prefer she gets killed by the Joker, which plays a role in what I think should be in the sequal. that was Jennifer Connolly that played Betty Ross.and yeah I think Rachael should get clipped by the Joker too-it would start the hatred off nicely
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Post by DrGreenEvil on Jul 21, 2006 14:01:51 GMT -5
IM sorry but the dropping her down the well wouldnt work. She'd just end up in the Batcave. The last place youd want her. Yes Rachel Dawes should die in the next movie. Bring on Vicki Vale or the Catwoman. Maybe even try Andrea Beaumont in a movie.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 21, 2006 14:16:01 GMT -5
DC are still blowing the stink off from Berrys Catwoman so Id say the chaces of seeing Miss Kyle are zippo.maybe a cameo as Selina Kyle but not Catwoman
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jul 21, 2006 14:32:03 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] Yeah,I reckon the Catwoman fim would of been a lot better if it was Batmans catwoman,! Selina kyle in Gotham becoming a cat burgler with refrences to Batman just starting and a referance to Gordan even a cameo! [/glow]
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Post by Severen on Jul 25, 2006 23:15:34 GMT -5
Kill Rachel or just don't bring her character back at all, I don't care, but if you do bring her back kill her early because, while I didn't mind the character and the idea behind it, Katie Holmes proved to be an absolute talen vacuum and was a very definite low point of Begins, so I'd hate to see that much more screentime wasted on her.
Besides, as far as I'm concerned there was enough closure to her character and her and Bruce's relationship at the end of Begins that it makes sense for her not to be a part of his life from this point on anyway.
Sev.
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Post by Dark Nightwing on Jul 25, 2006 23:20:43 GMT -5
Besides, as far as I'm concerned there was enough closure to her character and her and Bruce's relationship at the end of Begins that it makes sense for her not to be a part of his life from this point on anyway. I agree with you on that one Sev. There really isn't any need for her in the rest of the series because all of the loose ends with her have been tied.
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Post by MuksC on Jul 26, 2006 3:53:06 GMT -5
I agree with what Severen said about Dawes, she made it clear that she and Bruce couldn't be a couple as long as Bruce was still active as Batman, so what wouldbe the point of her being in the next movie?
as for Vicki Vale or Catwoman, GOD PLEASE NO!
yes Halle's stink is still in the air so she shouldn't be in, but they are already bringing in Joker from Batman '89, we don't want Vale too, or else it'll look too similar to the '89 movie, in terms of the basic characters in the movie.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jul 26, 2006 4:26:29 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] The Joker will not be like the 89 Joker that has already been stated by Nolan!
Althought I totally agree with oyu on the vale thing! Do we even need a new love interest! [/glow]
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 26, 2006 10:48:16 GMT -5
well if Nolans Joker isnt going to be anything like the 89 Joker then theres no point in doing him. the 89 Nicholson Joker was perfect straight out of the pages of the Killing Joke and a Death in the Family I get more worried every day about Nolans vision of the Joker
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Post by MuksC on Jul 26, 2006 17:29:36 GMT -5
@ Jacks-Up, i know Nolan's Joker won't be like Nicholson's, but what i mean is that they are already "copying" the old movies by having the Joker in one, having Vale in the same movie would make it look like they really have just copied the basic characters of BM'89.
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 26, 2006 17:55:39 GMT -5
I think they should bring in Selina Kyle, not catwoman, yet. They can introduce her early and she could be in many sequals cause there is a lot they can do with her. They can make her catwoman, they can go with the Earth2 story line or they could keep her as a regular person. I dont think Halle Berry's performance completlely killed the charester. I think if Nolan tried he could bring Catwoman back.
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Post by wayneson on Jul 26, 2006 19:00:10 GMT -5
I've never agreed with all of the Katie-bashing that has gone on since the film was released. I thought she did a fine job - after all, she didn't write the character, or the dialogue. Compare her performance to Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane in SR and I think Katie wins hands down. Some of my favorite scenes in the movie featured her - the attempted mugging in the subway, the confrontation with Crane at Arkham - I think a lot of it is leftover from her supposed "snubbing" of the film during promotional appearances last summer, which was a bunch of hogwash, anyway - I mean, who cares? I do agree that she doesn't seem to have a useful purpose in the sequel, but to wish for her murder as a way to get her out of the series is just, well, weird. By the way, the character was Rachel Dawes, not Dauss.
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Post by Blackgate on Jul 26, 2006 23:39:53 GMT -5
well if Nolansd Joker isnt going to be anything like the 89 Joker then theres no popint in doing him. the 89 Nicholson Joker was perfect straight out of the pages of the Killing Joke and a Death in the Family I get more worried every day about Nolans vision of the Joker Even though Jack's joker was perfect, im glad that this joker will be different. I trust nolan to give us a great joker. I hope he will be much darker. I imagine him being more circus, carnival themed. Having a circus gang and having a lair in an abandoned fair grounds.
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Post by The Dark Knight on Jul 27, 2006 13:16:04 GMT -5
I'd rather her just not be mentioned in the second movie but not be killed.
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Post by HUSH on Jul 28, 2006 23:00:34 GMT -5
While it would indeed be satisfying to see Katie Holmes die a terrible death in the next film, I think the death would be cheap. We don't care about the character AT ALL. The purpose behind killing a good character in a film like this is for the tragedy of it, and I don't think Batman 2 is the place to kill a character just so everyone can cheer about it. If Joker were to kill someone, it should be someone the viewers really care about, and will feel their loss. What I really want is for Katie Holmes and her character to not be in the film at all. As for having Joker kill someone so that Batman will hate him, I personally don't think that's necessary in the second film. It's Joker's introduction, and in the comics, Joker doesn't kill someone close to Batman(i.e. Jason Todd) until they had been going at it for a really long time. I think Batman and Joker can become nemeses in the films without Batman having a personal vendetta against him, at least until later. I think Batman would hate Joker purely because of his utterly sadistic nature and murderous ways. Of course, this doesn't mean I don't want Joker to hit Batman personally later. I read an interview with Goyer a while back in which he gave a vague idea of what was in store in the next two films, and he said Joker would be introduced and be the villain in the second movie, and that he may be the one to scar Harvey Dent, who would be prosecuting him in a trial, in the third film. I think this could work, because it not only shows how Harvey becomes Two-Face, but it also adds that personal factor to Batman's fight with Joker(one would assume that he would get away eventually like he always does).
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Post by rockzero on Jul 29, 2006 10:00:24 GMT -5
Yeah, Rachel didn't do much for me. Plus she totally teased Bruce at the end of the movie (what the hell was up with that anyway?). Let her go. There's totally better out there.
I really like the idea of introducing Selina Kyle. Maybe have her be her meek self through most of the movie and have the transformation into Catwoman take place at the end.
But I'm a big Catwoman fan so anything that even remotely nods to her, I'll be satisfied with.
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Post by MuksC on Jul 29, 2006 10:31:27 GMT -5
@ Wayneson, actually i thoought Bosworth was good in SR, but Holmes was pretty poor in Begins, and that has nothing to do with her snubbing Begins in her interviews, i simply think she's not a good actor. i did like the scene at the end though with Bruce in the ruins of the mansion.
i hate the scene where she meets Bruce at the hotel he just bought after the swiming scene with the european chicks, the way she keeps nodding her head left to right while giving him the "you may be the same great kid inside...", i just want to rip her head off!!
of the 2 female characters, Bosworth did betterjob and was more believable (apart from the Pulitzer maybe), and that's was down to the bad casting of Holmes, as well as her poor acting.
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Post by Jack-Ups on Jul 29, 2006 11:05:15 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] To be honest now I just dont care if she even dies! She should just dissapear of the planet!.... Yes thats a fitting way to get rid of her! Batman and Superman become friends and Bats gets Supes to throw her into space! lol [/glow] [glow=red,2,300] And I think being someone that doesnt generally like to watch the 89 and later ones I dont generally think Nicholson Joker is my Joker! Dont get me wrong Jack is great I really like his films and his Joker is still great!But I just think of the 89 one as batman with Jack Nicholson ! But I know where people are coming from! [/glow]
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